KQM | Genshin Impact - leyline-auraduration

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 19, 2021 11:37 PM

that will be covered in updates when it happens.

KimaenMar 20, 2021 12:09 PM

yeah, but im really thankful what you guys helped me out with Slowing Water, now i can properly prepare my teams and know what to do. thank you very much!

Carrier5by5Mar 20, 2021 1:15 PM

Thanks for your contribution too.

Doug DimmaNepMar 22, 2021 3:04 PM

@At0m滅

@Minaraii

Doug DimmaNepMar 22, 2021 3:17 PM

@Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOM can you take a look at those bennett and Hydro tests again. I also watched a stream and kind of want to double check calcs. According to @Carrier5by5's page, the Hydro LLD is 2U hydro. If each bennett Q tick is 2U pyro, then it should be removing 1U from the hydro gauge. However, video evidence shows that it requires 3 ticks of bennett Q to completely remove the hydro LLD.(edited)

Also @Carrier5by5 please let me know if you guys did any further testing. https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/804180847497314334/818353562060193822 In this message, you said that 1x vaporize = 20.625s and 2x vaporize = 11.25s remaining. Was this with a 2U pyro or a 1U pyro?

Cause I feel like the math doesn't add up considering that Bennett ult is a 2U pyro source

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 22, 2021 3:49 PM

Benny q is a 2u pyro source on damage but the auras he applies to your own characters are 1u

or at least that was the conclusion I came to

but I wasn't particularly satisifed with my video at the time

so I'll look into reverifying

AsakiMar 23, 2021 6:19 AM

May I share my video finding here?

To help with the research

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:22 PM

Cecilia Garden IV Pyro Imbuing Test: 1. On already Pyro-imbued Benny, Hydro LLD aura causes Vaporize and apply a Wet status ⇒ multi-wave effect? 2. On freshly Hydro-inflicted Chongyun: 4 Vaporizes to completely remove the Hydro LLD aura 3. The last Vaporize cleanse tick on Chongyun is an immediate switch from Hydro aura to a Pyro aura.

This is completely different from the previous evidence by @Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOM I’ve been able to reliably replicate the exact same result: 4 Vaporizes until the Pyro aura shows up, whereas the original evidence shows only 2 (or 3, it’s not clear enough for me -.-)

MinaraiiMar 23, 2021 2:24 PM

Hi Asaki! I'll submit my own test recording soon!

I did notice the Vaporize message does not always show for some reason, even if the pyro tick occurs. I have to leave Bennett at low health to recheck ticks.

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:25 PM

Sometimes reaction text is hidden

you have to look for the animation

the steam cloud

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:25 PM

Yeah, that’s why I keep my Chongyun at super low health

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:26 PM

although

that vid does confirm my suspicion that Leylines overwrites the previous aura.

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:26 PM

But my device has always shown 4 Vapes, I’m attaching a heal tick here to make sure my eyes aren’t lying to me -.-

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:28 PM

instead of reacts

it is in fact 4 ticks. Benny q ticks on every second interval of his q and the pyro aura is included.

that vid is indeed 4 ticks

i only guessed it was 2u before

because it was 3 + time

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:28 PM

It does show sth else to, #3, there’s also the possibility that the self-imbuing method works the same as the LLD: it overrides the Hydro aura on the very last tick

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:30 PM

but this is more compelling

self auras and leylines do not stop at 0 unlike others

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:32 PM

But as long as the aura is still visible, the LLD is still in effect right? If I understand your words correctly.

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:35 PM

yeah the aura is gone so the effect should also be gone

https://imgur.com/a/Jg94N4M

you can just swing back and forth between auras if there are repeated applications tho(edited)

MinaraiiMar 23, 2021 2:36 PM

I recorded 3 different tick variants! https://files.catbox.moe/vivkh6.mp4

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:40 PM

yeah the last one is the result of my previous test

3 + time

I wasn't able to get the 4 reactions though because the last u just decays/taxes off (if there is tax for self gauges)

MinaraiiMar 23, 2021 2:44 PM

Yeah... If the pyro tick is exactly after the LLD, 4 reaction would do the trick. It's still nice that 3 tick + decay is good enough for full cleanse.

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:51 PM

Wait, if Benny does a max of 4 ticks

And Jean does a max of also 4 ticks

So self-imbuing Benny is 1U

4 reverse Vapes = 2.5U cleansed Jean imbuing Anemo 1U

4 Swirls = 2.5U cleansed So the LLD strength should be of 2U(edited)

The 3 ticks can be explained by the time human response delay causing the aura to die out that 0.5U before the first Benny cleanse

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:53 PM

yeah its 2u

just based on timing ig

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:53 PM

Haha, I get that point now lol

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:54 PM

thats the reaction math

or at least

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:54 PM

Also, can’t frame-count on my part so I’m resorting to basic arithmetic to deal with it =))))

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 2:55 PM

what can be assumed

i've already done the precise frame counts for the leylines and they are pretty discrete

naked eye works quite a bit better

when dealing with them

AsakiMar 23, 2021 2:58 PM

I didn’t see a pinned worded conclusion yesterday so we ended up did a bunch of stream testing on the BennettMains Discord yesterday haha(edited)

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 23, 2021 3:06 PM

yeah this eventually being a spreadsheet made me not type one out(edited)

but uh

it got a little too big for that

AsakiMar 23, 2021 3:19 PM

Also, here’s sth interesting: while the last Benny rev-Vape-cleanse tick apply Pyro, Benny fwd-Melt-cleanse tick does not apply the Pyro aura

I tried my best to time that switching just right so the heal tick goes to Chongyun

Makes me wonder what’s special about the fwd/reverse reaction in cleansing

AsakiMar 23, 2021 3:32 PM

I can’t test the rev-Melt-cleanse status because Diona doesn’t give you any indication of the lingering imbuing effect at all -.-

Fwd-Vape with Barbara & Xingqiu is just too fast (although in Co-Op you could ask a tester to touch’s Barbara’s Hydro ring to test it out

maybe〜

It’s entirely possible to be affected by your Co-Op buddies’ self-imbuing status, for example Overloading yourself while a Razor next to you is in Burst mode (I was playing Xingqiu), getting Frozen by someone else’s Barbara although I’m playing as Keqing

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 24, 2021 2:24 AM

welcome to my eternal pain of trying to get literally anything else to react with it visibly

jintoniccMar 28, 2021 4:14 AM

Just read up on this topic, but have a question regarding this. Why are 4 reverse vapes 2.5U? My understanding was that vape is a 1U reaction and reverse vaping making it weak = 0.5x1U = 0.5U. So 4 ticks are 2U. Where did I go wrong? Thanks in advance!

AsakiMar 28, 2021 4:18 AM

The multiplier is 0.625x(edited)

Thus 2.5U

If you’re checking the Google Docs then I suggest you check the keqingmains.com document about this. I was told the info up there is more updated. @jintonicc

muakasanMar 28, 2021 4:19 AM

https://library.keqingmains.com/mechanics/combat/elemental-reactions/elemental-gauge-theory

Elemental Gauge Theory

The current method of explaining all game mechanics involving elements

tbh I didnt realize it changed to .625 this might have been when they switched to the ABC notation?

not sure though

jintoniccMar 28, 2021 4:26 AM

Thanks! Yes, I did indeed read the doc.

Coming through in multiple channels! Thanks!

Just read through the document. Swirl is noted as having a multiplier of .625 too. Shouldn't Jean's ult be 4x1GUx.625 = 2.5GU too?

Confused, because it is written down as 2U above. Or is the .625 swirl multiplier also a recent discovery?

AsakiMar 28, 2021 4:35 AM

Yeah yeah

Back then what I have on hand was that Anemo/Geo is 0.5x and bwd-Melt/Vape is 0.625x

jintoniccMar 28, 2021 5:01 AM

That explains it. Thanks!

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMar 28, 2021 2:29 PM

yes the "Tax" has been moved to be on reaction for ease of use

the 4 reactions for benny requires good timing as 3 reactions leaves you with 0.125 gauge

JonahFarc | Battery Archon?Apr 13, 2021 4:09 PM

is this still alive

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 13, 2021 4:34 PM

its technically

done

JonahFarc | Battery Archon?Apr 13, 2021 4:34 PM

move to review then?

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 13, 2021 4:35 PM

I wanted to compile them into a sheet

but ig we can do that on git now

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muakasanApr 24, 2021 4:28 AM

can anyone explain this clip? I thought jean cleanse should be 4 ticks for all domains? sorry if I missed someone in the channel @Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOM

https://streamable.com/ogusbm

Jean Ult Pyro Cleanse

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 24, 2021 4:33 AM

Not sure whats going on there

It should be either 4 ticks

Or 3 plus time

muakasanApr 24, 2021 7:43 AM

i also verified and got ~6 ticks as well

Carrier5by5Apr 24, 2021 9:05 AM

idk. It is a special case that i also met in tests.

The features of this leyline disorder are mysterious

muakasanApr 25, 2021 7:43 AM

is it possible that the pyro ticks themselves add more gauge?

@Carrier5by5

Carrier5by5Apr 25, 2021 9:12 AM

idk which thing will add more gauge.

Maybe Pyro Swirl or another effect

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Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 25, 2021 1:50 PM

Ill be attempting to solve this one last mystery after work.

muakasanApr 25, 2021 4:04 PM

thanks :) we're interested in the info for the jean guide

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 25, 2021 10:30 PM

I was under the impression that it was a diona bug

But that footage implies its a leyline bug

muakasanApr 26, 2021 2:54 AM

are we certain its a bug and not intended?

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 26, 2021 2:57 AM

me and zei noticed there was inconsistent behavior

with that exact leyline

sometimes it would appear to cleanse 2u

sometimes 1u

but thats clearly not it

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 26, 2021 6:14 AM

hmmm

was able to reproduce on first try

contradictory clips

WTF IS GOING ON

<@!258425952957235204> new theory

Tianshan 4

completely and utterly fucked

for some reason there seems to be this random 1u that lingers on your active character

after the 2u falls off

unless you vape

which explains why its 6 swirls

but then this clip just absolutely throws that theory out the window

22 seconds doesn't make any sense

muakasanApr 26, 2021 6:15 AM

could the 1U be applied later?

like this idea?

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 26, 2021 6:15 AM

muakasanApr 26, 2021 6:16 AM

tbh idk aura math well enough to see how the times work

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 26, 2021 6:20 AM

so if you look at the last clip I posted

you'll see that it normally lasts 20 seconds

10 seconds per u

so when we're cleansing we're dealing with ~5/10 second ballpark reductions(edited)

not only did bei get extended beyond the actual duration

its by an interval that doesn't make any sense(edited)

if the leyline ticks themselves applied gauge wouldn't it be self sustaining?

muakasanApr 26, 2021 6:20 AM

hmmm

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 26, 2021 6:20 AM

i'm going to see if this happens in the other stages

muakasanApr 26, 2021 6:21 AM

depends on the gauge ig?

id have to think about it a bit

my intuition on why pyro does it

because its the only that does damage

so maybe its coded as like an attack

which has a gauge

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 26, 2021 6:28 AM

lookin like this

spaghetti code applying more gauges

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 27, 2021 2:01 AM

alright

i'm going wrap this up again

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xf3 | 🙵♋⌘◆♒♋ ⬧●♋⬧♒Apr 27, 2021 2:08 AM

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Ayzel | KAZUHA SURASSHUApr 27, 2021 2:16 AM

is there a writeup that includes all the information anywhere

I don't really know what I'm supposed to be looking at here

Like, for example: Taishan Mountain blah blah blah etc.

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMApr 27, 2021 2:30 AM

hmm

duh

it would be in the form of a table

kinda similar to what the wiki has

it would go under

Gameplay mechanics -> new page called Leyline Disorders

i'll write it up in a bit

Ayzel | KAZUHA SURASSHUApr 27, 2021 2:37 AM

just ping me when you're done and I'll verify

Zei | Nickname hereApr 27, 2021 3:51 AM

my god this ticket finally ended

bless your souls

denmaxApr 27, 2021 5:03 AM

Finally a Mono bounty has been accomplished

denmaxMay 1, 2021 6:43 AM

What's left to verify for this?

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMay 1, 2021 7:27 PM

Nothing i just need to make the writeup

I had forgotten about that

Ayzel | KAZUHA SURASSHUMay 8, 2021 4:11 AM

@Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOM do you know when writeup will be done?

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMay 8, 2021 4:22 AM

tonight

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMay 8, 2021 6:13 AM

Hydro - Cecilia Garden 1-3 - 1u, 30 seconds - Cecilia Garden 4, Current Abyss 11 - 2u 15 seconds p/u Pyro * - Tiashan Mansion 1-3 - 1u, 20 seconds - Tiashan Mansion 4 - 2u, 10 seconds p/u Cryo - Forsaken Rift 1-3 - 1u, 20 seconds - Forsaken Rift 4 - 2u, 10 seconds p/u Electro - Lianshan 1-3 - 1u, 20 seconds - Lianshan 4 - 2u, 10 seconds p/u *There is currently a bug where the burn ticks are themselves applying 1u of pyro to the active character and can therefore be extended beyond its intended duration.

(edited)

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMay 8, 2021 6:24 AM

"Leylines disorders operate by setting your parties gauge to the following characteristics: (ins table). Other auras applied to your characters beforehand are removed entirely and do not affect the resulting gauges in any way. Aura duration can be reduced by applying gauges to your own characters through elemental skills and bursts, specific resonances, and artifact set bonuses. The first application of the disorder occurs 3 seconds after starting the challenge and every 30 seconds thereafter."

^for a new Leyline page, under Combat

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMay 8, 2021 6:37 AM

Everything is updated

ready to ship

if no objections

NeptunyaMay 8, 2021 6:50 AM

Credit: @Carrier5by5, @Zei | Nickname here, <@!258425952957235204>, @Asaki, @Minaraii, <@!439158542457372702>(edited)

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