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realm-currency-exchange-rate-analysis
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Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 16, 2021 5:29 PM
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MatengApr 16, 2021 5:35 PM
Theory Realm Currency (RC) is a new kind of currency that will release in 1.5 allowing Travelers to exchange it for various goods including Mora, EXP, Ores, and Transient Resin (60 Resin that must be used quickly). This exchange rate analysis will examine its value alongside Resin and Stardust. Evidence Assumptions: - The Travel uses the Transient Resin and consumes 60 Original Resin - Stardust/Resin values are seen here: https://library.keqingmains.com/mechanics/gameplay-mechanics/lifeskills#resin-to-stardust-exchange-comparison RC conversions based at 1200 RC: 4 Wits/ 1200 RC (1 Wit = 120 RC) 100000 mora / 1200 RC (1 mora = .012 RC) 20 MEOs / 1200 RC (1 MEO = 60 RC) 60 resin / 1200 RC Stardust conversions based at 60 Resin: 18.38 Wits / 60 Resin (6.125 Wits = 20 Resin) 180000 Mora / 60 Resin (60000 Mora = 20 Resin) 36 MEOs / 60 Resin (12 MEOs = 20 Resin) Significance Stardust/RC Values: 1 Hero's Wit = .0153 Stardust/RC (18.38/1200) 1 Mora = .015 Stardust/RC (180000/1200/10000) 1 MEO = .03 Stardust/RC (36/1200) RC/Resin Values: 1 Hero's Wit = .9995 RC/Resin (.0153 * 65.33) 1 Mora = .9 RC/Resin (.015 * 60) 1 MEO = 1.8 RC/Resin (.03 * 60) Based at 20 Resin: 6.125 Wits = .05 RC/Resin (.9995/20) 60000 Mora = .045 RC/Resin (.9/20) 12 MEOs = .09 RC/Resin (1.8/20) Analysis of Results The most Resin-efficient purchase order at the Realm Depot is to claim the Magic Enhancement Ores every week, then the Wits, and then the Mora (assuming that the Traveler has already claimed the Transient Resin if they wish to). For Travelers who wish to maximize Stardust and minimize RC: target MEOs -> EXP -> Mora at Paimon's Bargains in the Shop. Inverse this priority (Mora -> EXP -> MEOs) if Travelers wish to maximize RC and minimize Stardust.(edited)
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denmaxApr 18, 2021 12:33 AM
Might look into this again once we get it in-game. As much as the values are shown in the official livestream, we can't be certain those same values will not be changed. After all, they still do have the disclaimer that these images are still not indicative of the final product
Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 25, 2021 2:25 AM
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zajef77Apr 25, 2021 2:26 AM
<@!110853328186920960> As the numbers in the livestreams are still tentative, let's wait until the patch drops before closing this
MatengApr 25, 2021 4:49 AM
Cool I agree, thanks!
Shimutsa|barbara mainsApr 28, 2021 3:55 PM
Since the update is live, can you please confirm this findings? <@110853328186920960> love
MatengApr 28, 2021 3:57 PM
I definitely can, hopefully later today @Shimutsa|barbara mains(edited)
MatengApr 28, 2021 11:00 PM
From what I'm seeing, the numbers are exactly the same as the 1.5 preview livestream, and I'm not high enough Trust Rank to see the quantities. I've reviewed my math one more time and can confidently close this ticket
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denmaxMay 1, 2021 6:29 AM
I think MEOs being what they are is going to be difficult to justify as a priority since, unlike the other available items like Hero's Wit and Mora, they are more readily available even without the consumption of Resin (bar event rewards). I think it would be necessary to at least mention the point of MEOs availability in the overworld not being considered at all in these calculations (since it is difficult to put value any hard value on that regard) so as to ensure people who are reading your entry are also aware of that point. Considering this is the case. Will you not expand your findings on the Essences? You could approach it as assuming the highest level artifact domain. You could also consider the 7% chance to drop a double 5* artifact(edited)
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denmaxMay 1, 2021 6:42 AM
If you wish to explore this more (and only IF you want to), here are some data that might help determine your Resin value for the Essences 5* provides 3780 EXP 4* provides 2520 EXP 3* provides 1260 EXP As for how much of each drops in Domain Lv 6, you can see with attached image (from Data Gathering Discord)(edited)
As a sample, ( 3.55 * 1260 + 2.49 * 2520 + 1.07 * 3780 ) / 20 Resin could be your (Artifact EXP / Resin) 14792.4 / 20 = 739.62 Art XP / Resin Sanctifying Essence, 10000 Art XP / 360 RC = Sanctifying Unction, 2500 Art XP / 90 RC = 27.78 Art XP / RC RC / Resin = 739.62 / 27.78 = 26.62 RC / Resin(edited)
denmaxMay 2, 2021 8:23 AM
<@!110853328186920960> Okay just let me wrap my head around this particular ticket. I'm honestly going to approach this differently because I have been wracking my brain around this and I am having a hard time making sense of it(edited)
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denmaxMay 2, 2021 12:23 PM
Okay, now I understand one of the few things that are kind of confusing me. For one, the earlier submission with regards to Stardust/Resin should not be Stardust/Resin but is actually average Stardust/20 Resin, or average Stardust per Run As proof, 3 Adventurer's Experience (total of 5000 * 3 = 15000 Char Exp) = 8 Stardust On average, Blue Leyline drops 6.5 Adventurer's Experience and 4.5 Hero's Wit (total of 6.5 * 5000 + 4.5 * 20000 = 122500 Char Exp) equivalent to 20 Resin Char Exp / Stardust = 15000 / 8 = 1875 Char Exp / Stardust Char Exp / Resin = 122500 / 20 = 6125 Char Exp / Resin Though we're not dealing with real world units like meters, feet, seconds, etc, unit analysis is still particularly useful in ensuring your math doesn't go out wrong. From here, I'll be including the units, analyzing them, and doing some unit cancellation just so we can see it much more clearly Thus, Stardust / Resin = (Char Exp / Resin ) * (Stardust / Char Exp) [A numerator Char EXP, multiplied with something that has a denominator of Char EXP, means Char EXP will just cancel each other out] = 6125 * (1 / 1875) [since our unit for 1875 is Char Exp / Stardust, to get Stardust / Char Exp, we will have to use the inverse] = 3.27 Stardust / Resin Link uses 65.33, but (1225000 Char Exp) * (Stardust / 1875 Char Exp) = 65.33 Stardust. You only end up with the unit Stardust, or at least that is Stardust per run I also checked with Mystical Enhancement Ores and Mora 1 MEO = 5 Stardust, or 5 Stardust / MEO Per 10 Resin, we get 6 MEO. Thus, 10 / 6 = 1.67 Resin / MEO Stardust / Resin = (Stardust / MEO) * (MEO / Resin) = 5 * (1 / 1.67) = 2.99 Stardust / Resin 10000 Mora = 10 Stardust, 10000 / 10 = 1000 Mora / Stardust Per 20 Resin, 60000 Mora. Thus 60000 / 20 = 3000 Mora / Resin Stardust / Resin = (Mora / Resin) * (Stardust / Mora) = 3000 / 1000 = 3 Stardust / Resin With that out of the way, let's look into your investigation(edited)
You've approached it this way, 60 Resin = 1200 RC, due to Transient Resin, thus 20 RC per Resin I'm not sure why "18.38 Wits / 60 Resin (6.125 Wits = 20 Resin)" turns into "1 Hero's Wit = .0153 Stardust/RC (18.38/1200)" For one, the unit for your first equation is Wits / Resin, and has no mention of being anything equivalent to Stardust. If I wanted to find the equivalent Stardust conversion of 18.38 Wits, I would use something similar to the earlier one I've done. 8 Stardust for 15000 Char Exp, or 1875 Char Exp / Stardust 18.38 Wits = ( 6.125 [Wits / Run] * [3 Runs] * [20000 Char Exp / Wit] ) Char Exp = 367500 Char Exp Thus, 367500 Char Exp * (Stardust / 1875 Char Exp) = 196 Stardust Since it is for three runs, thus 20 * 3 = 60 Resin, 196 / 60 = 3.27 Stardust / Resin (we're back to the same unit and magnitude we've had earlier, thus there isn't any particular reason to do all of this anyway) Thus, if I wanted to get the unit, Stardust / RC, given that we have Stardust / Resin and RC / Resin Stardust / RC = (Stardust / Resin) * (Resin / RC) = 3.27 * (1/20) = 0.1635 Stardust / RC Your RC/Resin values also confuse me too "1 Hero's Wit = .9995 RC/Resin (.0153 * 65.33)". Earlier you said the unit of 0.0153 is Stardust / RC. 65.33 is Stardust / Resin. Multiplying them together equates to (Stardust / RC) * (Stardust / Resin) = Stardust ^2 / (RC * Resin), thus it doesn't make much sense I'm also unsure why you need to calculate RC/Resin. You already did that by assuming 1200 RC = 60 Resin, thus 20 RC / Resin Also, be it using 60 Resin or 20 Resin or 1000 Resin, your RC per Resin should not change. The earlier evaluation of Transient Resin should have dictated this(edited)
denmaxMay 2, 2021 12:54 PM
If you wanted to solely just check RC / Resin on each Resin activity, we might have to disconnect it with Stardust to do so (this will also allow us to incorporate Artifacts, since there is no Stardust equivalent for them). Transient Resin will also be independent from all of this, so we can directly compare how much equivalent RC we get for everything including Transient Resin Doing that, we get something like this (I will be removing the unit analysis portion of my equations - hopefully my earlier comments have done that justice) X / Resin ( 4.5 * 20000 + 6.5 * 5000 ) Char Exp / 20 Resin = 6125 Char Exp / Resin ( 3.55 * 1260 + 2.49 * 2520 + 1.07 * 3780 ) Artifact Exp / 20 Resin = 739.62 Artifact Exp / Resin 60000 Mora / 20 Resin = 3000 Mora / Resin ( 6 * 10000) Weapon Exp / 10 Resin = 6000 Weapon Exp / Resin X / RC 20000 Char Exp / 120 RC = 166.67 Char Exp / RC 10000 Art Exp / 360 RC = 27.78 Art Exp / RC 10000 Mora / 120 RC = 83.33 Mora / RC 10000 Weapon Exp / 60 RC = 166.67 Weapon Exp / RC RC / Resin Hero's Wit = 6125 / 166.67 = 36.75 RC / Resin Sanctifying Essence = 739.62 / 27.78 = 26.62 RC / Resin Mora = 3000 / 83.33 = 36 RC / Resin Mystical Enhancement Ore = 6000 / 166.67 = 36 RC / Resin Transient Resin = 1200 / 60 = 20 RC / Resin Resin / RC Hero's Wit = 0.0272 Resin / RC Sanctifying Essence = 0.0376 Resin / RC Mora = 0.0278 Resin / RC Mystical Enhancement Ore = 0.0278 Resin / RC Transient Resin = 0.05 Resin / RC(edited)
MatengMay 2, 2021 8:15 PM
<@!140866779894251520> thank you so much correcting the math on my initial Stardust unit analysis post and for applying to RC! I fully trust the calculations you’ve done so far, but don’t have time yet to check it more in depth, just finished reading all this myself.
MatengMay 4, 2021 2:18 AM
Yes I agree that your unit analysis portions have definitely given my original post justice. At the end of your last paragraph for RC / Resin, is the conclusion here that MEOs are the most RC efficient for Resin, because it's more efficient than Transient Resin? "Your RC/Resin values also confuse me too" - I think this was just me getting confused with the calculations, but yes I was trying to implement unit cancellation here. The Artifact Experience Resin-efficiency input is very valuable too to add to the library. Closing the ticket now, thank you again for seriously looking at my original analysis!
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AyzelMay 5, 2021 11:01 PM
mans really be doing dimensional analysis on realm currency
i'll check this out at some point later
TsymMay 7, 2021 8:31 AM
was looking at this and realized that this doesn't match up with my calculations since I have Mystic Enhancement Ores at the same RC / Resin efficiency rate as Mora. I think you have a math error in your X / Resin section, since (6 * 10000) / 10 = 6000, not 3000. Otherwise looks consistent with what I have
denmaxMay 7, 2021 8:36 AM
Don't you get 60k Mora from one gold Leyline Blossom run? I haven't run it in ages so I could be wrong(edited)
TsymMay 7, 2021 8:36 AM
yes you do - that looks right to me. I was referring to the Weapon EXP line below that
denmaxMay 7, 2021 8:38 AM
Ah, you are right. keqingderp
ArtesiansMay 22, 2021 1:39 AM
Need this for housing guide at somepoint
going to ping @Fluffy for it, but it could go into the housing section eventually with all the load values. Not sure.
Approved.
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