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Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 21, 2021 1:09 AM
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Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 21, 2021 1:16 AM
Bug: Fischl's A4 does not trigger consistently when Hu Tao's charged attack causes an overload reaction
Evidence: It doesn't work, except when Beidou's Q is active for some reason
Significance: Might be significant to Taser comps in general, but I was unable to recreate it with other characters.
Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 21, 2021 1:34 AM
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whale roleApr 21, 2021 5:28 PM
oz isn't attacking the ruin guard
maybe it's just out of range?
Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 21, 2021 5:56 PM
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Ayzel | ticketpocalypseApr 21, 2021 5:58 PM
that's a good point. Can you test with not only hu tao, but also with another pyro character like bennett (with a single Oz cast to maintain the same range), to see whether it's only hu tao that fails to trigger A4 at a certain range?
paraszczakApr 21, 2021 6:18 PM
@Aluminum | Harbinger of Jank I've renamed your ticket coz old name was missing
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 21, 2021 7:31 PM
Fischl's A4 isn't usually constrained by range, as you can see in the parts of the clip where it is triggered. I can check with bennett too though
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 21, 2021 8:45 PM
I've confirmed that Bennett and Diluc trigger Fischl's A4 properly even when oz is similarly out of range, though I'll have to wait til the weekend to record.
Aevean LeeowApr 22, 2021 1:26 AM
i know c6 oz > oz range but still c6 oz has a range, maybe a4 is similar ?
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 22, 2021 2:03 AM
Second clip in the video is me triggering a4 off of a normal first.(edited)
whale roleApr 22, 2021 11:34 AM
might possibly be some weird interaction between hu tao's blood blossom being applied and fischl a4
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 22, 2021 1:01 PM
That's what I was considering as well. I'll also try to see if a charged attack that does not apply blood blossom can trigger A4. That means I'll have to put Oz in range too to reset electro aura.
whale roleApr 23, 2021 6:42 AM
if anyone has c6 bennett
try hu tao charged with bennett ult without hu tao pyro infusion
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 24, 2021 4:56 AM
Oh about that one, HT charged with Chongyun does trigger A4.
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 24, 2021 5:18 AM
So the issue doesn't occur if Oz is in range I also observed it not occurring if Oz is only barely out of range. However from the earlier clip, I was able to get the first normal to trigger A4 but the charged didn't. So I don't think this is an issue with Oz range.
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 24, 2021 5:41 AM
It looks like the range is centered around the character
Actually, there does seem to be a range but...
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 24, 2021 5:57 AM
Actually, it might be charge attack related, will try with zhongli
Hmm Got the bug to occur with Xiangling and CY too. Looks like the character-centered range hypothesis has merit since I could only get the bug at the very end of her charged attack hitbox
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 24, 2021 6:08 AM
I think that's what it is. I managed to get this bug with Noelle normals too with that knowledge
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 24, 2021 6:20 AM
My conclusions: A4 does have a range, but it's centered around the unit that triggers the reaction. Ranged units have more leeway in terms of triggering A4. There are a few melee units whose range Mihoyo underestimated and thus can fail to trigger A4 when attacking at the edge of their range.
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 24, 2021 11:50 AM
Also deployables might be factored in to these range calculations, such as Beidou Q and Oz himself for some reason
Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 24, 2021 11:52 AM
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Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 25, 2021 2:17 AM
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INVEST₼CLOSEYOURFUCKINGTICKETSApr 25, 2021 2:17 AM
@Aluminum | Harbinger of Jank Could you condense all your findings into one post with correct formatting?
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 25, 2021 2:18 AM
Yeah I forgot to do that.
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 25, 2021 2:29 AM
Should I recompile the evidence or just say "see above"?
INVEST₼CLOSEYOURFUCKINGTICKETSApr 25, 2021 2:32 AM
just make a new formatted Finding/evidence/sig post
so nep can port it easily
also
please upload everything to youtube/imgur
for posterity purposes
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 25, 2021 3:06 AM
Theory: Fischl's A4 has a range centered around the triggering character, which is generally greater for characters with ranged attacks. When an attack at the edge of the range triggers an electro-related reaction Fischl's A4 can fail to trigger. Deployables are factored in to the range as well, such as Beidou Q or Oz himself. Evidence: This was tested with Hu Tao's charge attack, the end of Noelle's greatsword swings under burst, and the end of Xianling's Charge attack infused by Chongyun. A demonstration of how the range is variable by character is shown using Diluc's burst. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPByPR2TubV5rcNbhKBrWyk9hChRWV9cn Significance: An understanding of the underlying mechanics of Fischl's A4 passive and possibly future similar effects
Fischl A4 range testing
INVEST₼CLOSEYOURFUCKINGTICKETSApr 25, 2021 3:06 AM
perfect
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankApr 25, 2021 3:07 AM
Should I close this?
INVEST₼CLOSEYOURFUCKINGTICKETSApr 25, 2021 3:07 AM
yes
other editors will review
since its formatted correctly now
Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTApr 25, 2021 3:08 AM
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trash rat | mcdiona (denmax)Apr 25, 2021 3:10 AM
approve 2: electronic boogaloo
INVEST₼CLOSEYOURFUCKINGTICKETSApr 25, 2021 3:17 AM
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Keqing's Eternal AssistantBOTApr 25, 2021 3:17 AM
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