@vibe checker - An Extensive Look Into Shield Damage in Genshin Impact
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vibe checkerMay 5, 2021 3:25 PM
Finding: Damage to enemy shields is affected by three main formulas, which are summed for final damage: Reaction Cost, Damage Cost and Poise Damage Cost. All info was accumulated from the wiki and individual testing
Evidence: There are pages on the wiki that already detail this information, however I created a google document which aims to compile it all into one source which is easy to digest. All references are included in the document. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SUc9A7O5C7CX0qYHmCqB44uhpHYY-Txgv6rdibM8Jw4/edit?usp=sharing
Shield Damage in Genshin Impact
An Extensive Look Into Shield Damage in Genshin Impact Compiled by vibe checker#5502 on Discord thanks to resources provided by the Genshin Impact Fandom Wiki. Genshin Impact does not use a generic single-variable HP system for enemy shields like other games. Instead, total Shield HP is in the f...
vibe checkerMay 5, 2021 5:10 PM
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denmaxMay 7, 2021 2:32 AM
Really good sheet. I think this is one of those things that are especially difficult to just verify outright.
We have an existing entry in the TCL with regards to Shield and Armor equivalent units before they break as found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GZHd0eLAv8364QKnwtUpraqWmKipXeWQ7S-lsgi69hw/edit#gid=0
Based on your findings, it directly correlates to the Reaction Cost portion of the Shield Damage equation. This older entry didn't exactly explore the Damage Cost portion of that is present in your entry, but just looking at the Reaction Cost portion has very similar results.(edited)
Elemental Shields/Armor Guide
Guide
Notes,Elemental Shields/Armor Guide
made by Bobrokrot#0111
24,6,12,24,24,Also break
with regular damage
(including reaction damage),русскоязычная версия гайда
6,12,24,24,Elemental reactions deal % HP damage to the shield/armor...
YukarixMay 8, 2021 7:18 PM
#abyss-lector-shield-pyro-vs-cryo we were testing out shield damage in this ticket comparing pyro and cryo
could not find anything significant on kaeya/bennett/xl but we saw this happening with ganyu noticeably. not sure why(edited)
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 11:17 PM
Might be that Ganyu can reach a very high damage to guage unit ratio. May be worth testing with thundersoother Guoba or Diluc?(edited)
YukarixMay 10, 2021 4:19 PM
Hmm, we should test with another character with very high base damage MVs
AyzelMay 10, 2021 5:39 PM
klee CA maybe
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 4:47 AM
klee sounds great
prefer C0 but stacked(edited)
lost prayers would be nice here
and ideally 4WT or 4TF?(edited)
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 4:58 AM
Also I wonder if this explains dendro shields taking damage from non-pyro sources.
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@vibe checker opened it up for you
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 10:01 PM
Did you check the damage cost vs same element? I attacked a low lvl pyro mage Shield with HT infused attacks and couldn't scratch the shield.
it does mention same element has a 0.4 multiplier, but it looks like I do no damage at all
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 10:14 PM
for reference
YukarixMay 12, 2021 10:35 PM
is there a cryo one?
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 10:38 PM
yes
take the cryo challenges in temple of the wolf
wait
maybe not
lemme check
ah I see
it's called the hydro trial, but has a cryo abyss mage
YukarixMay 12, 2021 10:45 PM
wait what
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 10:47 PM
yeah
if you want to check ganyu vs cryo abyss mage, take the hydro trial (specifically on the second round)
YukarixMay 12, 2021 10:47 PM
where's the hydro trial?
i don't see it at the temple of the wolf
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 10:48 PM
oh you have to enter it first
it's the one where the cube gives multiple options(edited)
YukarixMay 12, 2021 10:51 PM
ohh
yeah i don't think damage can be tested against same element
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 12, 2021 10:51 PM
right, which I think contradicts this document
YukarixMay 12, 2021 10:54 PM
yep
vibe checkerMay 13, 2021 7:13 AM
Already documented
You're looking at character shields, eg. Shields made by diona, beidou etc
Which is true, they have a 0.4x multiplier on incoming damage that is of the same element
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 13, 2021 12:40 PM
Ah thanks, got confused by the section and didn't notice what final damage value was saying.
It does seem clear to me that damage cost is something that should be considered. Might need a more extensive look at lectors but could this mean pyro can have an "advantage" if it makes use of vaped hits?
vibe checkerMay 13, 2021 1:11 PM
it mentions that it doesn't consider amp damage from melt/vape
but previous testing has shown that transformative reactions are included to some capacity in your damage cost
ultimately I have no mathematical proof, only a few videos of lisa with varying EM
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 13, 2021 1:17 PM
lol I suck at reading
anyways, thanks for entertaining my silly questions
I think this stuff will be key in solving the inconsistencies seen in #abyss-lector-shield-pyro-vs-cryo
YukarixMay 13, 2021 8:04 PM
can we test klee CA on abyss lector?
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 13, 2021 9:16 PM
need a klee player . Maybe do a theory hunt?
YukarixMay 22, 2021 1:39 AM
uhh
ticket owner wanna open up a theory hunt?
vibe checkerMay 22, 2021 3:49 AM
I'm not really sure how to do that, but it would be good to do, yeah
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 22, 2021 4:44 AM
I think as long as there's nothing you need to add to your document, this ticket is good to close. Lector shield stuff is a tangent.
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AyzelMay 25, 2021 9:01 PM
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Artesians「KAZUHA SLASH」と読め。Jun 3, 2021 7:35 AM
Someone needs to do a writeup for this one - I'll take a look at it tomorrow, but this is probably a revision of shield mechanics at the very least.
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