KQM | Genshin Impact - transformative-reaction-icd-parameters

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:06 AM

so its likely just rng

its not only, its the fastest speed possible though

otherwise its every 1.5sec

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:07 AM

right I meant that's the only case where you get it at max rate

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:09 AM

should i summon zajef back now, we got the evidence we need.

@Zajef - TF Bennett aficionado i think we good?

this good enough?

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:11 AM

if possible i'd like to see a clip like this where the RNG goes in your favor and you end up getting good overloads

in this situation

3 targets

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:11 AM

ah, so cleaner evidence

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:12 AM

yeah

IsuMay 9, 2021 12:13 AM

yeah I'll do a few more tests

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:13 AM

i appreciate it

TerrapinMay 9, 2021 12:13 AM

Against 5 enemies here, Overloads happen at

0.5 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.5 4.1 5.0

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:14 AM

I'd want 3 enemies in order to be able to tell 100% that each overload damages each enemy

with 5 enemies there's too many numbers for me to be certain

TerrapinMay 9, 2021 12:16 AM

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:17 AM

hmmm

i guess that's enough

can we get a consolidated and updated finding evidence significance?

if that's not too much trouble

would save nep a lot of work

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:18 AM

IsuMay 9, 2021 12:21 AM

I'm still going to add a video of some more tests against 3 targets btw, just getting it finished up and frame counting

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:23 AM

clip 1: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840520182890889238 after gaining 2u electro from beidou tap e, klee n1c, but only produces damage of 1 overload. Enemy is cleansed, therefore the reaction did occur but no damage is dealt after overload 1. clip 2: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840529075553566771 clip 2: the second treasure hoarder hit is hit by 2 overloads, 1 originating from himself and the other from an ally hit by overload. However, despite being in a cluster of 3 enemies hit in the second overload as evidenced by hit double knockback, only 2 numbers appear, showing his invulnerability to the overload the second time. clip 3 and 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqxnXhkMuNg in both cases, the enemy is first hit by 4u from beidou. Then, in clip 3, guoba is summoned, who then attacks within 3 frames of klee who autoattacks. 2 overload numbers appear. In clip 4, guoba is not summoned, and klee just n1cs. 1 overload number. clip 5: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840515482212630558 bennett applies gauge 3 times from level 2 e, but only causes 2 overloads. the last hit is past the 0.5sec timer. clip 6: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840538990142160906 Klee n1cs 2 different enemies, and overloads twice. clip 7: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840513378513846304 Rosaria double scs, proving sc does not follow the same rules. clip 8: https://youtu.be/_HM5Y3aru88 This shows that multiple overloads not happening within 0.5sec caused by the same character to the same enemy is not a visual glitch. Else, the fatui would have died.(edited)

Terraflop

OverloadLimits

Aluminum

2 overload

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:28 AM

Verified

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:32 AM

gimme a sec

still writing the evidence of the other clips

clip 9: original vid: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840743265951285338 Screenshot of 5 overloads: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840743918214840361 Overload tick counts: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840743323295809586 as evidence of every enemy getting hit with overload. Lisa ult is just above the icd, and proves that the icd is at least <0.5 sec, as lisa attacks every 0.5 seconds, and she can cause overloads to all enemies every tick. clip 10: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840756374584426516 extra vid proving lisa is on the edge of the icd.(edited)

ok done

consolidated list of clips 1 to 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLBXSstmjY

Terraflop

OverloadLimits2

finished with evidence compilation

9 clips total

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:33 AM

I uhh. Found some secret sauce: This might not have been the case 1 patch ago

take with a grain of salt since this is my recording and they suck

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:33 AM

wtf is with this audio

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:33 AM

but HT N1C is too fast right now from what I know

leave it off

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:33 AM

ht n1c is below 0.5sec

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:33 AM

it can be delayed arbitrarily, so this isn't conclusive

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:34 AM

you can count the frames though

and oz hits at set intervals

so even if its inconsistent frame rate you can use oz procs to count time

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:35 AM

wait wait

so is this

overload happening twice in less than half a second

because the aura was refreshed?

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:35 AM

nah. This no longer works

I think

TerrapinMay 9, 2021 12:35 AM

this was an old video?

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:35 AM

yes

TerrapinMay 9, 2021 12:35 AM

hmm

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:35 AM

HT release

Zajef - TF Bennett aficionadoMay 9, 2021 12:35 AM

ohh

i see

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:36 AM

so uhh they might have stealth nerfed overload between then and now

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:37 AM

wait, the double overload happened the first time

but not the next few

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:37 AM

only way to tell is to scour vids for Amber/HT

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:37 AM

wait im dumb

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:37 AM

or maybe klee

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:37 AM

aura gets drained to nothing and reset to pyro

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:37 AM

yep

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:37 AM

so no more ols from hutso

IsuMay 9, 2021 12:38 AM

yep that's the same as our findings here

the ICD is per character

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:38 AM

nah hutao broke the icd though

first try she double oled

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:38 AM

well HT is the one triggering both overloads

yeah

IsuMay 9, 2021 12:38 AM

oh i misread

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:38 AM

Fish overload is only 1k

IsuMay 9, 2021 12:38 AM

let me look again

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:39 AM

if this is really the case

I think I have grounds to go complain at MHY again

IsuMay 9, 2021 12:40 AM

Think we could bother a certain TF Hu Tao evangelist for more footage from last patch? The one who keeps changing their name lol

assuming you know who I mean

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:40 AM

i know roughly who you refer to but i dont know his username

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:40 AM

rika furude

don't know what they changed username to now tho

lol

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:41 AM

they're barbara-sama now

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:41 AM

not anymore

cant find the name on the ping list

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:41 AM

must've listened to too much melody loop

search |TF cult|

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:42 AM

its daybreak

@Daybreak

i assume thats an scp reference

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:42 AM

nah @|TF Cult| Amon Gus (ps4)

dunno who you just pinged

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:42 AM

lmao

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:42 AM

damm

|TF Cult| Amon Gus (ps4)May 9, 2021 12:42 AM

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:42 AM

sorry daybreak

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:42 AM

pls share some TF HT vids on release

|TF Cult| Amon Gus (ps4)May 9, 2021 12:43 AM

Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior TF-Sama?

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:43 AM

mine are too scuffed

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:43 AM

yeah theres an overload bug

we need 1.3 and 1.4 clips

|TF Cult| Amon Gus (ps4)May 9, 2021 12:43 AM

I change my name religiously

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:43 AM

also y'all need to consolidate the evidence for this ticket in one place lol

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:43 AM

i did

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:43 AM

I still have no idea what's going on

just link it all in one post

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:44 AM

https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840745749679570996

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:44 AM

rather than using replies everywhere

|TF Cult| Amon Gus (ps4)May 9, 2021 12:44 AM

Wait so what exactly am I showing and for what?

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:44 AM

and the one just below

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:44 AM

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:44 AM

i hit the word limit

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:44 AM

the link in your original post links to something else

might want to edit that

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:44 AM

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:45 AM

Also could you format this according to the correct format

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:45 AM

it links to the findings, so i just added the evidence link

AyzelMay 9, 2021 12:45 AM

like Finding: Evidence: Significance

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:49 AM

you know what ill just redo that again

i did it like 2 or 3 times already, we keep having to change findings

lemme redo it

Finding: Overload, and so far overload alone, seems to have a reaction specific icd of 0.5 sec (15 frames in 30 fps and 30 frames in 60 fps) where enemies overloaded or hit by the aoe caused by an overload procced by one character is then immune to the damage caused by overload procced by that character for 0.5 seconds. They still suffer the same effects except damage, such as gauge reduction and stagger.(edited)

Evidence: https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840745749679570996 and https://discordapp.com/channels/763583452762734592/840502239248252928/840747331468787722

Significance: not much, since gauge applications are already quite slow there isnt much detriment to a low damage reaction having an icd between uses that is so short its usually out by the time the next application comes by. Might be significant with a few more pyro offield enablers, but we'll see.

done, linked the new findings/evidence/significance on the first message

it links to these 3 messages below

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:50 AM

Just show any pre-1.5 clip that has HT do an N1C on an enemy with an electro aura. We want to see if they take both overload damage numbers.

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:50 AM

*where both hits can overload

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:51 AM

if they do, then overload had been stealth nerfed in patch 1.5 which is more than enough ground to take things up with MHY

|TF Cult| Amon Gus (ps4)May 9, 2021 12:51 AM

Uhh what date was 1.5 live?

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:52 AM

4/27 and before should be 1.4

|TF Cult| Amon Gus (ps4)May 9, 2021 12:52 AM

https://youtu.be/qKw9r9SEzYQ will this suffice?

Raushan Mateen

TF Bennet

https://store.playstation.com/#!/tid=CUSA23681_00

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:55 AM

could have more pixels but it looks like n1c gens 1 overloaded the first time

that said its most likely just degeneration

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:57 AM

How could it be that no-one has recorded say, an Amber burst on top of a Beidou burst, once it was discovered Beidou had a 4U gauge?

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:58 AM

Because amber

Ill put out a general request

rakkaMay 9, 2021 12:59 AM

Is this something you'd like done

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 12:59 AM

we need pre-1.5 preferably 1.3 clips tho lol

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 12:59 AM

Oh thank god i forgot rakka is an amber main

rakkaMay 9, 2021 1:00 AM

Don't got those clips sadly

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:00 AM

Its fine

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:00 AM

Yeah. Only damaging double overload clip we have is an extremely scuffed one by me

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:03 AM

I think we cna just submit it anyway, since we proved that the icd exists. Ill just pm an amber clip to nep if i can find it before publishing

rakkaMay 9, 2021 1:03 AM

If there's a test you wanted me to do I can run it, just let me know the parameters. I can look through my prior clips but I don't think I was doing a lot of Amber/Beidou stuff in recent memory

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:04 AM

Nah its fine

Its more of an extra

We got a few interesting vids that said that the finding we got wasnt always true

rakkaMay 9, 2021 1:04 AM

If I have clips of her bursting on an electro enemy I'll bring it up, pretty sure I tried to burst down a cincin mage shield a while back

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:04 AM

Oh shields take gauge damage

It needs to be unblocked damage

rakkaMay 9, 2021 1:05 AM

Electro slime then maybe?

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:05 AM

Possible

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:05 AM

it's not even very relevant to this ticket, since this ticket is about what happens right now and I'm currently taking the copium and trying to prove that it isn't supposed to be this way

IsuMay 9, 2021 1:05 AM

https://youtu.be/uuj8-ITWzmw Finally finshed that Lisa video, my frame counts in the description

Isusaur

Lisa OL tests on 3 targets

Number of times I see the overload text for each Clip 1: 6.31 (x3) 8.01 (x3) 9.30 (x3) 11.00 (x1) 12.00 (x1) 13.30 (x1) 14.30 (x1) Clip 2: 21.26 (x3) 22.56 (x2) 23.26 (x1, but I see no damage numbers) 24.26 (x2) 24.55 (x1, I see damage numbers this time) 26.26 (x1) 27.26 (x1) 27.56 (x1) Clip 3: 32.32 (x3) 34.01 (x3) 35.30 (x3) 37.00 (x3) 38.3...

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:05 AM

electro slime might work.

rakkaMay 9, 2021 1:06 AM

Also possibly look at xslices videos of pyro keqing, pretty sure he has clips fighting the electro cube back in 1.3

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:06 AM

Oh right

Electro cube is a thing

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:07 AM

pyro keq doesn't double apply though

IsuMay 9, 2021 1:07 AM

Old clips of Amber ulting the electro hypo might be interesting

and should probably exist

rakkaMay 9, 2021 1:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX83zXBcD5k

Honako Green

Lightning Cube (Electro Hypostasis) - Amber Solo [Genshin Impact]

Level 20 Amber Aleph Cube gets shot

1:02

from october though, I believe changes occurred with electro after that(edited)

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:15 AM

hmm

might actually be my clip that's off then

rakkaMay 9, 2021 1:15 AM

which patch was the hypo event

1.4 or 1.3?

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:15 AM

I might've done a slow CA

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSrdgHC4XQY got a clip from amber mains

Micro Uzi - n1tr0t0m

Genshin Impact Amber vs Pure Electro Hypostasis(no damage taken)

My better score was buff food and using my Skyward Harp, but I value clean no food no op bow runs if possible higher and those are more worth recording Song: Hyphen - Tragick Hero

it was the hypo event

3 overloads, although 6 procs

IsuMay 9, 2021 1:17 AM

@Zajef - TF Bennett aficionado I did some more testing against 3 targets, it looks like Lisa's burst usually procs overload on all 3 targets at once due to the small AoE it has, so the OLs are usually 90 frames apart. The exceptions are when less than 3 overloads happen at once, implying that the enemies happened to spread out enough to not all get hit by the AoE. However when this happens, I usually don't see damage numbers on both OLs (but I did once in clip 2)

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:18 AM

30 fps and 29 frames between overloads

so i think this is normal

just weird frame rate on aluminium's clip

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:18 AM

oh my clip is for sure scuffed AF

Pick (Prick)May 9, 2021 1:18 AM

yeah, i think this ticket is ready for submission

ready to get P I N K

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 9, 2021 1:19 AM

It already was. Since this is at the very least correct to the current state of the game