@Yukarix - ganyu-ult-frequency-enemy-size
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YukarixMay 22, 2021 4:00 AM
Hypothesis: Different sized enemies have a different average hit % rate in Ganyu's ult. In other words, Ganyu's ult does not only scale with # of enemies, but also enemy size.
Geovishap:
1st try https://streamable.com/h15t6c 25 hits counted(edited)
Isn't ganyu burst targeted + random? so extra hits is enemy size/ganyu burst size (assuming uniform distribution which might not even be the case with how much variance you are showing).
YukarixMay 22, 2021 4:36 AM
yeah it's targeted + random but i don't think anyone's actually looked at how much different sized enemies get hit
anyways..this ticket will take a while cause i'm lazy and i'm already getting fatigued lmao
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 22, 2021 4:36 AM
my worry is that if the distribution is not uniform within the burst zone then positioning might matter
YukarixMay 22, 2021 4:37 AM
unless someone wants to help out
it could
that's another ticket i want to open up, if enemy position in the burst affects average icicle hits(edited)
also one last ticket is, taunt mechanics
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 22, 2021 4:38 AM
I might've helped but I don't have ganyu and I also have my own silly ticket to be lazy about lol
taunt in general is interesting
I've heard somewhere ganyu's is the best?
YukarixMay 22, 2021 4:38 AM
i think it's the tankiest in scaling but not sure if it taunts differently than others
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 22, 2021 4:39 AM
Well Mona's is invincible lmao
YukarixMay 22, 2021 4:41 AM
true lol
uh i think i need to open up a theory hunt for this
i cant do this mysef
myself*
too much time
LOL
Carrier5by5May 23, 2021 12:36 PM
a Chinese player found how to let Azhdaha get 50 hits
I also intend to extend the attempts to try and see if I can get any consistant number over 50 or so attempts but that will come some time later, for now I just wanted to see if there's clear differences like how vishap is in the 20-30 range instead of 10-20(edited)
YukarixMay 23, 2021 10:14 PM
Yep that sounds like a good idea
I want to test out the primo geovishap as well, but my shield characters are not well built
so I can't really just afk stand next to them to count clearly
We can just use that azdaha clip for giant enemies
YukarixMay 27, 2021 4:06 AM
@Greyhound | Cryo Currency Dealer I can test some more over the weekend
what sort of conclusion should we make out of this ticket once we finish?
Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerMay 27, 2021 8:41 AM
I'm gonna try to see when I can find the time to get more samples to narrow down the RNG
the conclusions we're to draw from this ticket are that ganyu's ult be it as a main or sub carry can do either less or more than the initial expectations prior to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6aLvC-MKKM
14(ran outside)/17/18/16/17 probably hitcount is slightly higher but it's very hard to see anything when he starts hopping around
15 second duration, 0.3 second think interval, looks like each icicle takes .5 seconds?
targetting is a bit confusing
looks like every interval, it checks if a global flag called _ABILITY_Ganyu_UnbreakableIce_UnavailableMark is set to 0 or not
if set to 0, then
- set _ABILITY_Ganyu_UnbreakableIce_UnavailableMark to 1, fur 1.45s
- looks like set position to the target found
so i'm reading this correctly, it just generates random from center, looks for a target every 1.45s, if ok then drop it at that target otherwise keep w/e random position it generated
the random range is 0.5 to 9.5, i guess it's just uniformly random across this circle somehow? idk my geometry is bad
well at least this one only got one random circles
i was actually looking at amber.. and that has 3 circles? O_O
srlMay 27, 2021 7:09 PM
hmmm what's that massiveAttackRatio thing
is that like a dmg reduction for hitting big targets?
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 28, 2021 11:29 PM
Probability of untargeted icicle hit on an enemy in the center:
Uniform distribution: (radius_of_icicle + radius_of_enemy)^2/(radius_of_zone)^2
Uniform radius and Uniform angle: (radius_of_icicle + radius_of_enemy)/(radius_of_zone)
Maybe validate against these two first
Maybe someone can add something for Gaussian (or a formula to reverse engineer sigma assuming gaussian)
Correct me if my math is incorrect.(edited)
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 29, 2021 12:32 AM
If you think the distributions for selecting an arbitrary point in a circle are annoying.
Consider how one could possibly select an arbitrary chord in a circle uniformly and whatever that even means.
srlMay 29, 2021 2:31 AM
how noticeable would it be if Q is biased to falling in center?
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 29, 2021 2:34 AM
I think it depends on enemy size but the difference might be a few icicles.
since there's a lot of untargeted icicles right?
srlMay 29, 2021 2:35 AM
ya, 40 untargetted
hmm but if we repeat the test of let's say on a fatui for like 100 times and the avg agrees then it's prob fine right
Aluminum | Harbinger of JankMay 29, 2021 2:40 AM
a stats person could tell you how confident you can be after that... well in some sense anyways.
YukarixMay 29, 2021 9:27 PM
i'll do some testing on slimes today
what else we need @Greyhound | Cryo Currency Dealer
flowers are just hilichurls but when they do their reposition underground thing they escape 2 guaranteed + whatever random icycles during that time, what is still left on the table is ruin guards and graders, we should start getting some larger sample sizes to try and find an average then run them by the formulas suggested and try to figure out what type of random ganyu's ult uses, unless you think that goes beyond this ticket and we do that in a different one at a later date, I'll probably be slow on getting footage because my finals start this monday
YukarixMay 30, 2021 12:17 AM
Hmm
The part of what sort of random ganyu's ult uses should be a different ticket
if you can give me the conclusion you want to draw from it I can get the rest done and you can post the writeup&close(edited)
YukarixJun 15, 2021 11:26 PM
Hmm
i think we need a follow up ticket to this with the math behind it but a general conclusion that Ganyu's single target burst damage looks to generally scale with enemy size is good
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