KQM | Genshin Impact - energy-gen-numbers

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 5:51 PM

here

kill its friends first

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 5:51 PM

you know

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 5:51 PM

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 5:51 PM

thta's actually 1 of my favorite spot

to do slime playground

where i just use jean and yeet them off the cliflf

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 5:51 PM

elaborate

oh...

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 5:52 PM

and they will try to fly

or float

but they can't because they are still smol

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 5:52 PM

is that cute or cruel?

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 5:52 PM

it doesn't hurt them

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 5:52 PM

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 5:53 PM

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 5:54 PM

oh my

look at them struggle

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 5:54 PM

it's illegal to use them as a launching pad

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 5:54 PM

so cute~

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 5:54 PM

but it's not illegal to launch them

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 5:55 PM

is jean 1:1.5 in datamined?

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:04 PM

jean is 2~3 (1:2) in datamine

67% to 3

luckily after this wave of data overhaul

we will only need to do it on new characters

which means that i don't have to bother other people with it anymore

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:05 PM

till then, at least

I'm just hoping the next char is a bow/catalyst so I don't have to update my sheet

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:07 PM

it doesn't matter for me since im doing the counting on the characters either way

what i hope is that

the next character also has fixed ratio

ganyu -> rosaria -> yanfei was easy life

oh wait hu tao was in between

but still

other than that it was easy life

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

pain

i'm certain it's 3 due to the brightness

of the trail

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

the first one is an easy 3

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

good

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

the 2nd one need to inspect other frames

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:09 PM

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

that's the same one

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:09 PM

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

first one that looked at all like 2 in 39 attempts

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:09 PM

when i do these i usually throw it into video editor

so i can look and analyze frame by frame

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:10 PM

xinyan in domain of guyun 2 (leftmost slime won't attack monolith just kill the rest)

thought you might be interested

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:10 PM

yeah i stopped the rec and flipped to vlc so i could run it at .003x or whatever lowest speed is

to see frame by frame

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:10 PM

it's okay im already done with xinyan

it's all 4s

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:10 PM

TC needs a "enemies for TCing" list

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:10 PM

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:10 PM

as in, where all elemental slimes are and the ruin guards etc

lol

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:11 PM

there was one that was really funny

it started out looking like a 2

and then both of them split halfway

let me go and grab it

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:11 PM

oh boy we're going to 400

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:11 PM

everyone seems to like the thousand winds ruin guard

idk why, it's not the most convenient

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:12 PM

that's 63% to 3 particles

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:12 PM

I use him because it doesn't rain down there

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:12 PM

I like the lawachurl here

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:12 PM

did you get the peak average and lowest average data along

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:12 PM

IT'S NOT 67

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:12 PM

that could help us to just round it off

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:12 PM

what are you using to record the data?

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:12 PM

i mean

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:12 PM

that gui thing

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:12 PM

you don't have to force it to be 67%

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:13 PM

just wrote a quick counter in visual basic

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:13 PM

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:13 PM

as basic as it gets

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:14 PM

yes

it is not getting copied as we speak

nah I'm kidding I'll stick to my spreadsheet

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:14 PM

I'm just gonna leave it at that if it's fine with you steph

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:14 PM

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:15 PM

I'm just too lazy to write stuff down I just press button

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:15 PM

i mean

even without peak average and lowest average that's fine

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:15 PM

imagine making a tier list for enemies

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:16 PM

you can press more E to try to hit the 67% or 60% though

but generally speaking

if i get a slightly different result compare to datamine result

i uses my own result

like for example

according to datamine diluc is supposed to be 1~2 (3:1)

but i got 1~2 (2:1) instead

which is 25% vs 33%

technically close enough

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:16 PM

i just might

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:16 PM

but i used my own result either way

because mine was average out of 200+ E strings(edited)

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:16 PM

hold is the same, the biggest difference I had was having 60 of 2 and only 80 of 3

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:16 PM

which is 600+ e taps

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:17 PM

then I had a ton of x3

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:17 PM

that sounds more like 2:3 than 1:2 actually maybe we should go with that

wait you actually went to test hold as well

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:18 PM

I didn't do a bunch

just a few to see if there's any difference

but it looked the same as tap

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:19 PM

yeah according to the datamine it's the same as well

according to my experience it's also the same as well

so we can leave it at that

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:21 PM

not really a tier list but maybe more of a general guide to which mobs are useful for various aspects of theorycrafting

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:25 PM

still 3 i think

best shot i have of it but the tails are stronger

i turned off bloom for this testing

same one

i'm only at 2 cases of this where it's not obviously 3 in 60 runs

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:25 PM

it looks brighter but I can't be 100% certain

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:26 PM

another shot of same event

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:27 PM

that looks really close to a 3 for me

but if you have other frames

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:28 PM

yeah looks like 3 to me as well, 2 on the bottom one

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:30 PM

I honestly can't tell(edited)

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:30 PM

video grabbing at too low quality but this is another shot of the same event, i think it's 3 for sure

Zebin || Yae's SeatMay 22, 2021 6:31 PM

3~4 particles at (143:62)(edited)

Attachment: geo_mc.xlsx (15116 B)

I'm not touching geo mc for a while

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:32 PM

i'm at i have 3 particles clearly in 50 tallied observations, 2 cases where it looked weird until i dug into the frames, and 1 case i accidentally wasn't recording for. i think i'm confident saying it's 3 each E for xiao

Zebin || Yae's SeatMay 22, 2021 6:33 PM

Right looks overlapped with 2

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:34 PM

a 1/24 chance to generate 2 particles seems pretty fringe. what's the smallest probability that they input for extra particles that we have observed in the code?

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:35 PM

thanks that's really helpful

smallest probability is 25% so far

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:35 PM

on diona paw check?

yeah

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:36 PM

oh wait no smallest is 20% on diona paw check yeah

25% is diluc's check according to datamine

im keeping my 33% check though because that's the result i get

for ningguang datamine is 33% check as well but i got mine at 40% so i am keeping mine

but for the rest it's been rather accurate

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:37 PM

this would be a sub 4% chance to generate 2 particles for xiao if i said the questionable ones that looked like 3 were still 2. if i include the one i didn't record as a 2, then it's 2%(edited)

i'm just going to say i'm satisfied it's 3

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:41 PM

yes that's how we do things

anyways thanks

i'll update the sheet

anyways @Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptO can we confirm that jean is closer to 60% than 67%?

or do we do 67% instead

so basically 2:3 or 1:2

Greyhound | CRYO is best CRYptOMay 22, 2021 6:42 PM

do 67 I closed game

it got close enough at near 300

probably roughs out at 500 tests

Mol | anemo fanMay 22, 2021 6:42 PM

me too one character particle staring was enough. i applaud your dedication steph

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:44 PM

alright

guess we are done

thanks for all the work guys

i shall double check everything again before i close this ticket

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:51 PM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZTPNVhpOCDgtNT1nCMECGAq3WHuuVy9doVIybTMTbVw/edit?usp=sharing

Elemental skill additional data

Anemo MC Anemo MC,Hold E,raw total average,3.279069767,Particles,Instances,Anemo MC,Tap E,average: 2 lmao 1,3,1,2 2,4,3,186,2,2 3,3,4,72,3,2 4,3,4,2 5,3,5,2 6,3,6,2 7,4,7,2 8,3,8,2 9,3,9,2 10,3,10,2 11,4,11,2 12,3,12,2 13,3,13,2 14,3,14,2 15,3,15,2 16,4,16,2 17,3,17,2 18,4,18,2 19,3,19,2 20,3,20...

wait for me!

aww, I was too late

anyway, anemo mc hold 3-4 186:72

let's just call it 2:1

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:52 PM

oh wait

oh wait yeah i totally forget about anemo mc hold

let me double check that

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:53 PM

you forgot about me?

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 6:54 PM

no i didn't

i remembered the slime pet

wiremash | kequing?May 22, 2021 6:54 PM

I'll upload the video one day very soon sometime(edited)

just in case

Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASHMay 22, 2021 7:00 PM

sure

alright bois

we are done

alright im gonna close the ticket now

thanks for all the help people

Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTMay 22, 2021 7:00 PM

Ticket Closed by @Steph | INVEST ₼KAZUHA SLASH

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JonahFarc | Battery Archon?May 23, 2021 7:20 AM

Ning should be 3-4(2:1) https://github.com/Dimbreath/GenshinData/blob/d633c8cfe5f1f383413a1f65f44d9bd018e5f9be/BinOutput/Ability/Temp/AvatarAbilities/ConfigAbility_Avatar_Ningguang.json#L4587-L4620

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JonahFarc | Battery Archon?May 24, 2021 4:44 AM

after discussion, either is fine because we want to take testing over datamine

Ayzel | KAZUHA SURASSHUMay 25, 2021 9:01 PM

verified

Mono$INVEST₼C6KAEYAWAITINGROOMMay 26, 2021 5:22 AM

denmaxJun 3, 2021 1:58 PM

Can't verify all entries in the same methodology (for obvious reasons), but I can verify at least most of these with a few attempts. Give the benefit of the doubt (though to be honest I really have no doubts to begin with anyway), it's a pass from me

Moving to publishing. Energy production sheet should be updated accordingly(edited)

Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTJun 3, 2021 8:24 PM

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