Server: KQM | Genshin Impact (763583452762734592)
Channel: shield-reflection-damage (846126762165272666)
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KQM | Genshin Impact - shield-reflection-damage
KQM | Genshin Impact
shield-reflection-damage
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Yuehai Ticketing SecretaryBOTMay 23, 2021 8:45 PM
@electro > pyro - primo geovishap shield reflect dmg
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Significance: Conclusion
electro > pyroMay 23, 2021 8:52 PM
Finding:
Shields from different elements provide different damage during Primo Geovishap shield reflect mechanic
Evidence:
vs hydro primo geovishap, Noelle shield deals around 15% HP, while Xinyan shield deals around 5% hp.
Significance:
might play a major role if at any point we'll have primo geovishaps inside the abyss and people will struggle with it.
This ticket is FAR from done, because there's a lot of factors to check, including
- character level
- shield strength (for example adding bollide 2p)
- shield from "Bell" claymore
- DEF stat
- same element shield
- crystallize shield (dependant on crystallized element)
Another important thing, of which someone might be already aware but I am not - if you have a shield, does "reflect" attack deal any damage to your shield? I'd love to see lvl 1 zhongli shielder with no artifacts to confirm this theory - this might also come in handy in possible future abyss runs
All of the below values are "rounded". Once we consider above factors I'll start looking into exact numbers based primo geovishap HP from datamined files:
Example: Hydro primogeovishap vs Xinyan pyro shield deals around 5% hp back
Example: Hydro Primo Geovishap vs Noelle Geo Shield deals around 15% hp back
electro > pyroMay 23, 2021 9:05 PM
The Bell: seems like it deals around 5% and you don't need it to be on before the attack.
Once you get hit by the attack, you gain bell shield, it deals 5% dmg back but you still take damage
Example: Electro Primo Geovishap vs Crystallized electro shield - dealt 15% hp
(noelle was affected by electro, geovishap dealt geo dmg making electro orb)
electro > pyroMay 23, 2021 9:16 PM
Xinyan lvl 60, no artifacts, lvl 1 1* weapon, no other party members
Primo Geovishap attack gets through the shield, meaning that the shield needs to be somehow strong enough in order to provide a reflect effect
electro > pyroMay 23, 2021 10:51 PM
Based on datamined files, for level 93 primo geovishap, it has:
(407.5199890136719 * 1930.0469970703125) = 786532.731042 HP
This video confirms that it has less than 849558 HP - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6vn67w1F4
Therefore, 15% is 117979.909656 and 5% is 39326.6365521.
so far I'm fairly certain that what matters for the reflect are:
- Shield does not break -> reflect
- Shield pops on taking damage without death (like a2 noelle passive) -> reflect + knockback from getting hit (character)
- Shield pops on taking damage with death -> no reflect, shield sustains
- Shield breaks -> no reflect and you take the excessive damage
Damage reflected values are (exactly!):
- Geo Shield (Noelle E) -> 15%
- Same element shield -> 15%
- Different element shield -> 5%
- Crystallized shield -> 5% or 15% - depending on element - (5% needs confirmation)
- The Bell claymore -> 5% - (assumed from a video, requires confirmation if exactly 5% tho)
- Noelle A2 passive -> 15%
Factors that do not affect the result (assuming shield will sustain)
- enemy resistances (VV shred)
- character level
- character defense
- character shield strength
- DEF% reduction applied to the enemy (c2 klee, c4 razor, a4 lisa) - tested c4 razor
- World Level, it's always 15% or 5% hp no matter the enemy level
- Co-Op (single player) affects the damage but only because of HP scaling - the damage is still 15% or 5% hp
Additionally:
- being too far away from Primo Geovishap will not deal reflect damage
Not tested (please test if you have the time!):
- is same-infused crystallized shield favored over other shields?
- coop - double damage if two characters with shields present?
There are few factors for the shield to break like:
- level difference, which affects DEF multiplier in incoming damage
- DEF stat
- shield strength
- character resistance (?)
and I'm fairly certain that as long as your dmg taken does not exceed your shield hp, there will be no changes in reflected damage.(edited)
electro > pyroMay 23, 2021 11:04 PM
Sequence:
5% -> 5% -> 15% -> 15% -> 5% -> 15% -> 15% -> 5% -> 15% -> 5% -> 191 from barbara
`55% + 515% = 25% + 75% = 100%`, due to floating precision error, a single 1 hp damage would kill it
(Currently uploading full video to youtube)
Killing primo geovishap by dealing only 1 hp (technically 191, but ...
Sequence:
5% - 5% - 15% - 15% - 5% - 15% - 15% - 5% - 15% - 5% - 191 from barbara
55% + 515% = 25% + 75% = 100%, due to floating precision error, a single 1 hp damage would kill it
electro > pyroMay 24, 2021 12:03 AM
Is there any other mechanic in genshin which generates a shield on damage taken other than the bell?
Pick (Prick)May 24, 2021 12:10 AM
Kaeya c4
electro > pyroMay 24, 2021 12:14 AM
wtb kaeya c4 test, just go to primo geovishap and get hit by its "reflect" attack(edited)
noelle passive - 15% thanks to geo
electro > pyroMay 24, 2021 12:26 AM
stacking shields won't increase the damage, it will pick max(a,b,c,d...) where a,b,c,d... means possible reflect dmg outcome for each shield.
Xinyan shield is active here vs electro primo geovishap, beidou E or noelle/zhongli shield are favored because they deal 15% dmg in this case(edited)
electro > pyroMay 24, 2021 1:09 AM
VV does not change the result - it's still 15% (electro infused primo geovishap vs swirled electro from lisa + beidou E shield)
I can upload the full video, geovishap was stuck at 10% because I failed last "reflect" and it kept on not using that attack for over 7 minutes
inb4 yes, sucrose has VV equipped
electro > pyroMay 24, 2021 11:54 AM
If you have C4 kaeya or C4 yanfei and wish to contribute, please perform following test:
go to primo geovishap and wait for his "reflect" attack to start, simply take damage with kaeya or yanfei on the field
cryo vs cryo or pyro vs pyro appreciated(edited)
should look something like this
sexyeboy69May 24, 2021 6:21 PM
what about defence reduction
electro > pyroMay 24, 2021 6:24 PM
fair point, haven't tested it
electro > pyroMay 24, 2021 7:47 PM
Conclusion on DEF reduction: applying DEF% reduction to an enemy does not change the damage dealt by "reflect".
Electro Primo Geovishap vs C4 razor tap E -> Beidou counter deals exactly 15% hp back
Exact math (video proof coming up):
```Reflect: 615%
Razor dmg: 6237
Accidental beidou counter: 11650
Finish it: 69041
Total:
90% + 6237+11650+69041 = 90% + 82113
5% of hp is 39326.6365521, 82113 - 239326.6365521 = 3459.7268958 overkill dmg```
actually c4 yanfei doesn't have the same mechanic as c4 kaeya
IF YOU HAVE C4 KAEYA - PLEASE HALP
Pick (Prick)May 24, 2021 11:48 PM
@Artesians, Head of TC didnt you have a c4 kaeya?
Or rather c6
electro > pyroMay 26, 2021 5:42 PM
Conclusion: shield "reflect" has a range - going too far away will not reflect any damage
Conclusion: shield "reflect" damage does not change when you're playing in coop or in lower world level. It's always 15% for geo/same element and 5% for different element shield. Source: https://youtu.be/47jIZOXjka4
Mcpie
AR56 vs WL1 cryo primo geovishap
6x geo reflect, 2x pyro reflect, resulting with 100% dmg.
Target died on last thanks to rounding error
lf ideas to name this attack instead of "shield reflect attack"
still looking for c4 kaeya ;/
electro > pyroMay 27, 2021 1:29 AM
Conclusion: If your character pops out a shield on damage taken (like c4 kaeya) during "reflect" attack and character ends up dying, no reflect dmg is done (thanks to @Artesians, Head of TC for testing)(edited)
xf3Jun 15, 2021 8:35 PM
@electro > pyro is this ticket done? if so, please close the ticket
electro > pyroJun 15, 2021 9:01 PM
yea almost done, uploading last tests (completely forgot about this ticket sorry)
coop, 2x zhongli (self shield each, no c2) - only 15% dmg
coop, beidou + zhongli shield, each shield dealt it's own damage (beidou 5%, zhongli 15%)
it'd be a lot more scary if they did delete them, at least this way there's less likely for shady stuff to happen on the platform, overall a safer way to handle it
on break, may tc not burn downJun 21, 2021 11:43 PM
since this ticket only has one verification and was never ready for publishing, we're gonna have to send this one back and ask u to upload it to yt or something @electro > pyro
During the first day of the event called "Legend of the Vagabond Sword" you could fight Primo Geovishap that changed infusions over time. In the settings you could pick "Reduce backlash dmg" setting, which resulted with this damage being lowered 3 times.
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