KQM | Genshin Impact - cursed-terrain-world-levels

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 8:28 PM

well to grey's search in general, this ticket is focused on weird electrocrystal damage sources (infused rock being the strangest and most confusing so far to me)

but as you can see above i split off and wrote a ticket on 2d water from this so if you have grass stuff you think relates you can put it here if you can't find anywhere else now

ishnuJun 9, 2021 8:30 PM

pretty sure it has levels, and I think they depend on the "zone level" (https://youtu.be/WMzHUtN1Twc) but I couldn't change it's damage values with EM

Ishnuu

Grass Damage 2

on that vid you can see the damage changes when I change zones

but like I said, I found out that the same patch of grass gave me different damage for no reason while I was testing the venti stuff

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 8:30 PM

oh hell yeah this is cursed lmao

ishnuJun 9, 2021 8:31 PM

well I was testing with sucrose

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 8:31 PM

i have no idea but maybe it's grass level

ishnuJun 9, 2021 8:32 PM

but now I can't replicate it

I'll just leave this here if someone wants to test it, but I'll be busy for like a day so I might come back for it tomorrow

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 8:34 PM

very interesting. you might want to check out a ticket a couple of us were doing on tree marking just to get a sense of how weirdly character specific some interactions can be. might want to watch for that if you are trying to replicate it. https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/765191980115689542/851338496622329896

since that link doesn't go drrectly to evidence here's a link to a thread of some weird interactions, one of which is overloading burning grass to chop wood (only works with some characters, and only grass, not self overloads it seems) https://imgur.com/a/RnevAeW(edited)

2021 05 06 Tree Marking

YΛTΛ_Jun 9, 2021 8:35 PM

Just continuing my garbage on a little bit. As expected, I can trigger both Vape and Overload in a single pyro hit. https://streamable.com/q0zoyb

VAPE_OVLD_SIMUL_WATER

Nothing too surprising

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 9:47 PM

part of me just wants to go with gathering evidence of the world having levels at different locations and pulling out of this cursed place

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 10:32 PM

does the water electro field have different damage levels? i don't think i ever observed a different one but i swapped characters around for various tests

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 10:35 PM

pretty sure it does since it uses water level

will look more into it tomorrow

today was pretty busy

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 10:37 PM

yeah obviously this isn't the most pressing issue since these interactions have been in since launch probably haha

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 10:37 PM

I feel a little pressed to check if the numbers changed with EM formula

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 10:46 PM

i think player avatar damage formula is different than player receive damage formula isn't it?

i thought there was some missing value from enemy-damaging-to-player data but maybe the formulas are the same(edited)

sorry, rephrasing for clarity: are the formulae that result in player damage amt X and enemy damage amount Y the same?

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 10:46 PM

ok it's unchanged, so it's not affected by it

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 10:46 PM

i'm just worried that environmental stuff might have its own formula. but i guess you inferred crystal level so there must be enough in common

ok that supports that argument then

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 10:47 PM

crystals work under the same base values as characters

it's the EM formula that is unclear

the base for this infusion is not changed tho

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 10:47 PM

so crystal damage isn't affected by the EM changes, or did you just test water electro?

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 10:49 PM

only water, testing crystals right now

oh no

mol

we're getting another ticket

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 10:50 PM

lol

what now

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 10:50 PM

the curse that keeps on giving

they have the old base

reaction damage unchanged

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 10:51 PM

lmao

crystals are stuck in 1.0

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 11:16 PM

one cursed finding a day, this is like satan's hanukkah

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 11:21 PM

lol

day 1 crystals kill you through the floor by infusing invisible magic water, day 2 crystals infuse rocks, day 3 water is a 2d plane slapped down underneath random parts of the map as a giant rectangle, day 4 crystals use the EM formula - from the past(edited)

i still can't believe the rock thing but i can't think of any other explanation of the crystals on the geo hypostasis isle.

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 11:22 PM

I don't want to know what happens tomorrow

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 11:22 PM

each blade of grass has its own level and voicelines if you listen closely enough

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 9, 2021 11:23 PM

~~don't jinx it, the first part might be real~~

Mol | anemo fanJun 9, 2021 11:23 PM

Mol | anemo fanJun 10, 2021 8:09 PM

i forgot to document this last night when i was zoning out, but i ran around most of dvalin's area and tried to find ANY bonus damage area on the crystals. i probably found at least 5 and no more than 10. they were i think universally near rock faces and rocks and i never got another "rock infuse" tick. just putting it here as further impressionistic evidence that this is not consistent.

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 10, 2021 8:15 PM

I'm split between 2 ways this could happen but they're polar opposites

ShuheiJun 10, 2021 8:51 PM

Mol | anemo fanJun 10, 2021 10:48 PM

what if the water terrain is a foundational layer of terrain that they are just stretching around and then layering over to make land, but sometimes the land layer isn't thick enough? i don't know if this makes any sense at all

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 10, 2021 10:49 PM

it does make some sense

that could be happening

Mol | anemo fanJun 10, 2021 10:50 PM

i just can't really believe rock infusion

just because i can't find any other examples yet

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 12:52 PM

we have more infusions in achipelago

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 1:40 PM

another infused rock(edited)

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 2:54 PM

we've got boat infusion

BOAT INFUSION

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 4:37 PM

so this is going to keep happening in every new area and we'll never figure out why

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 4:40 PM

there are crystals near rocks with no infusion

it's just that this is so inconsistent

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 5:01 PM

infused rock

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:26 PM

is it actually?

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:27 PM

only the lower part, but yes(edited)

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:27 PM

is it just me or is this completely asymmetrical?

wanted to see a REAL water infuse one since ones we've seen have been

and the realest one i found utterly submerged in water generates a square aoe that is offcenter.(edited)

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:27 PM

yeah it's not right

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:28 PM

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:28 PM

crystals make no sense

it's EC but as an object

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:31 PM

Electro Crystal

got another angle just to try to highlight it another way

figured this may be our best chance to get a good look at the infuse search area

it looks like a grid with 12 tiles 4x3, where the crystal sits on the 3rd row in the center

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:31 PM

that's a rectangle and the crystal ain't nowhere near the center

yeah

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:31 PM

representation in text XXXX XXCX XXXX

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:32 PM

visual

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:32 PM

verifying that this is indeed water at the edge so nothing missing there

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:32 PM

can you try to freeze it?

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:32 PM

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:32 PM

I wonder if it'll superconduct

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:33 PM

you won't like this

lmao

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:33 PM

also how did you find that fucking crystal in the middle of fucking nowhere

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:33 PM

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:34 PM

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Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:34 PM

it looks like it melts at a different rate than the water ice and also doesn't always apply the same way?

or only applies to squares where ec expires?

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:34 PM

can you show me spot on the full map?

heading ther

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:36 PM

i'm prefarming sea ganoderma in case Kazuha's passive actually functions and i can find a reason to add him to my team

but i can't pass up a good weird trip to cursed terrain

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:40 PM

ok, NICE, I got something useful

it does freeze but the duration is greatly reduced

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:40 PM

great with ganyu app + angle to see that

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:40 PM

because of the electro aura

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:41 PM

i wonder if kaeya Q is not applying enough cryo to freeze over the cryo since ganyu bloom applies it too

dunno the gauge strength

of each

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:41 PM

both are 1A

but ganyu has a fully even spread unlike icycles

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:41 PM

ok just angle and consistency then

yeah

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:41 PM

kaeya should have similar results to bloom

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:42 PM

yeah i didn't use E but don't really see a reason to go back and test, that makes sense and icicles are weird applying to water

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:43 PM

why does interactive map not have electro crystals on the site

yeah don't have to do it, just saying it as a side note

we got a pattern either way

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:45 PM

clearly what i need is ganyu and there's no other solution

(edited)

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:50 PM

you know it

those work under the same range, but in different directions

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 6:54 PM

we're getting somewhere, i guess

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 6:56 PM

it's dogshit progress as the more we learn the less we know, but it's progress nontheless

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 7:03 PM

we have learned that crystals may generate their own rectangular infusion zone, if they do not in fact enchant part of rocks or boats in a way that doesn't conform to this for some reason

i don't want the water level to go down any more in this new area and i hope there aren't any electro crystals in inazuma

each element is more concerning

why would the water freeze dissipate faster? can you apply electro to freeze on water to reduce its duration normally? I don't think so

so in addition to using the 1.5 EM formula, do crystals also get their own special reactions(edited)

which also have gauge duration effects

we have prety clear evidence that normal water has the same electrocharged effect and damage from player interaction, but wtf with this ice?

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 7:07 PM

found it

give me a moment

lots of stuff needs to encode

more evidence of crystal aura size

Cryo on electrified water doesn't change anything, but applying electro on frozen aura destroys the freeze

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 7:12 PM

oh cool

good

relief

so they are reapplying normal electro

we are not in a burngrassexplode trigger scenario

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 7:14 PM

I think this might actually be significant

as a side note this thing right here we found on the side was what I initially was looking for back when I opend this ticket

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 7:16 PM

lol what, whether this was normal electro?

yeah i think we have found that there's some secondary environmental effect producing the damage, so we can say we found out more about what happens in some ways.

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 11, 2021 7:18 PM

no, that aura's existance

Mol | anemo fanJun 11, 2021 7:28 PM

ah yeah the floating invisible electro water aura layer

Mol | anemo fanJun 12, 2021 1:40 AM

i went by that dual crystal rock area where you pointed out rock infuse and it's hard to disbelieve because even the sand beside the crystal is not electrified but the rock above is. why though? i still don't believe it bc it's so inconsistent

inconsistent from crystal and rock to crystal/rock. never experienced ANY inconsistency on getting aoe off the rocks really.

Mol | anemo fanJun 12, 2021 6:43 AM

i'm taking off tomorrow for a couple weeks so i probably won't be able to grab more footage (unless i really work to figure it out from mobile), but i will have mobile discord and check in if you have any more findings. best of luck

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 12, 2021 5:33 PM

I saw this a while ago and forgot to reply

not like there's much to test for the ticket left anyway, it's mostly me deciding on how should I approach it going forward for both how to figure stuff out and where to end it, enjoy your time off

Mol | anemo fanJun 13, 2021 4:10 PM

i found a crystal that didn't do any damage but fortunately my game crashed and it was normal after that

good luck resolving the ticket!

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 15, 2021 5:56 PM

@Neptunya | return to ticket hell sorry about having to ask you this but if anyone knows it's you

did old or current tcl have anything on about electrified water? not electro-charged, but a different type of electro inside water? I need to know before extending this ticket into an additional direction, trying to sort things so I can finish working on it, thanks

Neptunya | return to ticket hellJun 15, 2021 6:00 PM

searching for "water" on the repo brings up no entries

other than this: https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/mechanics/combat/elemental-reactions/transformative-reactions#overload-on-electrocuted-water-bodies

but yeah nothing documented

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 15, 2021 6:02 PM

then I'm coining electrified

thank you again

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 15, 2021 8:43 PM

ticket status: to gather footage for world having levels justification

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankJun 18, 2021 12:27 AM

AMC getting steam cooked from a while back. From the perma wet traveler collection

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:27 AM

perma wet traveler is something else I need to look into for the water layer theories at some point

Aluminum | Harbinger of JankJun 18, 2021 12:28 AM

It's pretty rare. As in I've never had it happen other than the one time

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:28 AM

it's still something to keep in mind

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:32 AM

https://youtu.be/K89URFeZtMY

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:32 AM

should I ask why is there so much burnt grass....?

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:33 AM

how do u think i found out grass does different damage

i was just bored burning shit up then i realized

oh wait damage is different

then went around the map getting toasted

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:33 AM

that different damage is what's coming next for this ticket before close

proving that different areas of the world have different levels set

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:33 AM

hard task

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:33 AM

just need to get hit enough

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:34 AM

well the real hard task is identifying the areas

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:34 AM

there's also code backing up

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:34 AM

but just knowing there IS a difference in levels is possible

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:34 AM

yeah I don't plan on documenting each area just finding a wide range of areas

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:34 AM

too high iq for me i go bye

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:34 AM

getting at least 8 different levels is what I'm shooting for

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:36 AM

good luck

if im able to help in any way ill hit u up for an extra hand

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:36 AM

if you want to lose your braincells and time backreading the shitshow this channel has been this is the easiest task so far

by a mile

the only help I need is verifying once it's over

3b00d_09 | Joined Taser clubJun 18, 2021 12:37 AM

the ticket name alone tells a story

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 12:37 AM

the ticket has a family

Greyhound | Cryo Currency DealerJun 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Finding: overworld has levels for every "body", including water and grass ~~and sand, trees, rocks, and other things that we can't prove in any other way other than the game's code which shows this~~, thus varying stats which is proven by their damage. Evidence: Flower stamens(cryo&pyro have the same scaling different element): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gCbmYT5gPk Water(using electrified): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSepgh_2M_M Grass(using burning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Xffbwx7b0 Signifiance: almost cracking the code for overworld Huge thanks to @Mol | anemo fan for the help on this mess(edited)

the next step and hopefully final ticket ~~unless inazuma adds more funky stuff~~ will be to determine if the theory that genshin's overworld is split into areas that have set levels on their entire scale, but that will have to come at a later date for now