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@gengar - anemo-mc-sac-sword
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gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:07 AM
Finding: anemo-mc-sac-sword interaction--Anemo traveler's hold E skill only procs SS on the last hit of palm vortex, even though hold E does multiple instances of anemo damage.
anemo-mc-sac-sword
Methods

Methods:
R2 Sacrificial Sword: After dealing damage to an opponent with an Elemental Skill, the skill has a 50% chance to end its own CD. Can only occur once every 26s.
On a single target, palm vortex does 7 instances of anemo damage. For testing, no elements were swirled.
Use anemo trav...
Significance: Anemo mc build considerations; similar mechanic to Sayu's hold E skill (only the final kick can proc sacrificial greatsword's passive)
Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:11 AM
Do you have 4p gambler?
gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:12 AM
related question--has it been tested whether the passive for sacrificial weapons has a chance to proc per enemy (if i hit 5 enemies with sucrose's E, do I have 5 chances to proc sacrificial fragments?)
hm i'm not sure // i might have foddered all my gambler pieces
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Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:12 AM
could you check if hold E triggers its passive cooldown like in #876370102969327646 (edited)
gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:12 AM
yep, i'll try to get a 4 piece set
Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:13 AM
nah, spare your resin
I'll test it myself later today
also you can rename a ticket $rename anemo-mc-sac-sword-interaction (edited)
gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:13 AM
ah thank you :)
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gtrain Aug 16, 2021 6:14 AM
has been tested, does have a chance to proc per enemy
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at least, if i am remembering correctly
gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:14 AM
huh i didn't find any info on that in the evidence vault for sacrificial weapons
gtrain Aug 16, 2021 6:19 AM
i remembered incorrectly. This was the convo i remember reading: https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/763610791839924224/873234346071457842

apparently there is no documented evidence on it rn, tho im pretty sure it does proc per enemy hit
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Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:25 AM
problem with this is that we'll never know
unless you get a very high sample then it "could" be possible
gtrain Aug 16, 2021 6:26 AM
yeah would also probs leave testing it to someone with a high refine sac
otherwise u gotta wait the 30s CD each reset
even if ur just spamming it in abyss
Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:26 AM
then you have 80% of success instead of 40%
so might be better to test with r1
gtrain Aug 16, 2021 6:27 AM
80% on 2 targets should give 96% success rate
the difference si pretty large
Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:29 AM
actually fair
on 3 targets it's 99.2%
gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:49 AM
abyss floor 1 has a group of around 5 small electro slimes
i could try testing sucrose with r1 sacrificial fragments
with lower refines, 40% vs 92% should be a bigger difference than 80% vs 99.9%
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gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:50 AM
sample size of 30 big enough for CLT
Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:50 AM
actually with sucrose you could even test if it's possible to trigger the effect twice
if you have c1(?) sucrose
gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:51 AM
yes c1 sucrose !
gengar Aug 16, 2021 7:10 AM
other sacrificial fragments interaction--mona's a1 talent can trigger the sac frags passive, consistent with ToM finding
Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 7:14 AM
it could mean that it triggers on any dmg output that uses elemental skill dmg
like A4 fischl
gengar Aug 16, 2021 7:18 AM
ah i forgot about fischl's a4
has that also been tested?
geo mc's c2 explosion dmg is also counted as elemental skill dmg, might also proc sac sword
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gengar Aug 16, 2021 7:41 AM
wait nvm fischl a4 can only be triggered by another character, but sac bow requires fischl to be on field to proc
gengar Aug 16, 2021 2:21 PM
changing scope of this ticket to document interactions of sacrificial weapons with current characters
sacrificial-weapons-interactions
Sacrificial Sword

Character,E skill,Interaction
Anemo MC,Palm vortex,If using hold E, can only trigger passive on final hit
since most people just run sac sword on XQ/sac bow on diona, it would be nice to have testing/documentation for other character skills
i don't have sacrificial greatsword though so i won't be able to test any claymore characters
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Nass008 Aug 16, 2021 3:04 PM
should sac weapon interaction against multi targets also tested?
the guy who started this convo (Smippycis#2746) should have some test footages
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phaZ Aug 16, 2021 3:28 PM
a4 also procs if fischl triggers reaction on an element, you could like put pyronado down, then do charged shots on pyro with oz too far away to attack himself, a4 should put electro onto it after. (edited)
i can actually test this if needed still
BarbaraLove 1
and see if sac bow procs
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gtrain Aug 16, 2021 3:39 PM
Since it's not in the tcl I guess so
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Nass008 Aug 16, 2021 3:41 PM
ok I'll DM them coz they don't have submission role (edited)
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gengar Aug 16, 2021 4:14 PM
ohh good point // sorry, im not too familiar with fischl's passives. what about her a1 talent where you have to hit oz with a charged shot?
phaZ Aug 16, 2021 4:15 PM
it scales with charged attack damage so i would assume no but didnt test
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r1 sac bow proc on fischl a4 (edited)
doesnt seem to proc from A1
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gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:45 PM
haven't been able to replicate actually // i might have accidentally placed mona's e skill too close to the enemy and the aoe from the regular skill triggered sac frags
maybe someone with a higher refinement SF can check
Mcpie Aug 16, 2021 6:46 PM
based on GO (and they have unit tests per each character) it's using elemental skill modifier (edited)
tho... mona is missing unit tests for this stat
so forget what I said, could be false
gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:50 PM
hm then it could be just bad rng on my end, since mona's a1 procs ToM
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gengar Aug 16, 2021 6:51 PM
confirmed, will try to record + upload
gengar Aug 16, 2021 7:55 PM
geo_mc_c2_sacrificial_sword
gengar Aug 17, 2021 3:26 AM
alright i think i've noted down the important sac weapon interactions in the spreadsheet
a couple more characters need testing tho
diluc -- does only the 3rd use of his E skill proc SG
albedo -- pretty sure transient blossoms can also proc SS if albedo is the active character, but would like confirmation from someone who has albedo hah
xinyan -- pyro ticks from her E skill and her C2 shield should proc SG but i can't test this myself
klee -- can any bounce of E skill proc sac fragments ?
mona -- maybe someone with a higher refine sac frags can test + confirm whether or not her a1 will proc the passive (i still haven't been able to)
phaZ Aug 17, 2021 12:26 PM
ill do klee and mona now, pretty sure they can proc on any dmg tick of them
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phaZ Aug 17, 2021 12:35 PM
klee works on mines
i assume it works on 3rd as well but low chance and long cd on sac so takes too long i wont test :'D
does not seem to work on mona A1 i only have r1 sac in this video (edited)
gengar Aug 18, 2021 1:44 AM
oh cool thanks for testing klee and mona
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 2:56 AM
albedo
https://imgur.com/P1mLhMB
(edited)
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Albedo E works on both cast and blossom proc
gonna upload it to yt/imgur later
gengar Aug 18, 2021 3:02 AM
nice, thank you!
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:04 AM
testing xinyan at moment but it always proc on first cast
nvm I got it
gengar Aug 18, 2021 3:07 AM
did some testing for mona's a1:

- can activate effects that require an "elemental skill to hit an opponent" (pale flame, ToM)
https://imgur.com/a/kpbtwPM

- will not activate effects that require the character to "use an elemental skill" (SR, HoD)
https://imgur.com/a/GEz4YwP
https://imgur.com/a/E2ouxkB

- does not benefit from effects that "increase elemental skill dmg" (gambler's 2pc, and i'd assume abyss cards)
gambler's 1pc: https://imgur.com/a/Ns6qPoy
gambler's 2pc: https://imgur.com/a/RFdDngI
mona_paleflame4
mona_SR4
mona_HoD4
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Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:07 AM
about xinyan
should I test normal shield and c2 shield separately?
gengar Aug 18, 2021 3:08 AM
hm i think separately would be best, even though i'm pretty sure the c2 shield just counts as an elemental skill
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:08 AM
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:21 AM
xinyan
https://imgur.com/rNiPOC5
(edited)
SantaLove 1
xinyan E works on
-initial cast
-DoT proc from normal lvl 3 shield
-DoT proc from C2 shield
(edited)
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:33 AM
diluc
diluc is interesting because even though it's not visible his E cooldown start from the moment you cast first E (edited)
so I think all three of his hits can proc sac
gengar Aug 18, 2021 3:34 AM
ohh so it works like keqing's skill
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:35 AM
trying to record his 2nd and 3rd hits procing
good thing I kept both r3 and r1 sac GS
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:46 AM
all 3 hits of diluc E have chance of activating sac passive
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 3:54 AM
phaZ you should upload the evidences to youtube/imgur (edited)
gengar Aug 18, 2021 3:55 AM
oh wait i downloaded phaZ's videos and uploaded them to imgur, credited their discord username in the description
thanks nass for testing diluc :)
srl Aug 18, 2021 4:12 AM
btw.. may be this would save some time but sacrificial is just coded to proc anything with the tag "Elemental_Art"
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gengar Aug 18, 2021 4:12 AM
Finding: sacrificial weapon interactions with characters that have elemental skills that hit multiple times.

Evidence: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WJgHM0VXPrBrwMQbCX27Asm5EKWhGHM4aFFkewDbxhA/edit?usp=sharing

Significance: Helpful for character building, documents which characters are able to proc sacrificial weapons with multi-hit skills. Confirms that Mona's A1 will not trigger effects that relate to elemental skill damage or elemental skill casting, but can activate effects that require an elemental skill to hit an opponent.
sacrificial-weapons-interactions
Sacrificial Sword

Character,E skill,Interaction,Evidence
Albedo,Solar Isotoma, Transient Blossoms,The initial hit of Albedo's Solar Isotoma and damage dealt by Transient Blossoms can proc SS.,https://imgur.com/a/GBNoL8W
Anemo MC,Palm vortex,If using hold...
srl Aug 18, 2021 4:13 AM
ironically... anemo mc's hold E is tagged "Elemental_Art_Hold"
gengar Aug 18, 2021 4:13 AM
damn justice for anemo mc when
hm do you know what mona's a1 is coded as?
srl Aug 18, 2021 4:15 AM
off the top of my head no.. would have to crawl through datamine
but if u just search for "attackTag": "Elemental_Art
you'll see mona only has 2 elemental_art attack tag
looks like the ticks and the explosion
oh looks like the phantom summoned by her dash is "attackTag": "Elemental_Art_Extra",
noelle for example when shield breaks that's elemental art as well
so that'll proc sac
gengar Aug 18, 2021 4:20 AM
ohh ok thanks! don't know why mona's a1 phantom can't proc sacrificial fragments hm
but as of now i think this ticket can be closed, unless there are any other characters/constellations that i forgot about
srl Aug 18, 2021 4:22 AM
oh her a1 is the dash thing? then i just gave u the answer
it's tagged _extra lol
would be helpful to just have a big document of what everythings tags are tbh
gengar Aug 18, 2021 4:23 AM
oh so _extra doesn't count as elemental_art
srl Aug 18, 2021 4:23 AM
nope
just like who emc is _hold
gotta match the string exactly lol
gengar Aug 18, 2021 4:24 AM
got it
do you mind explaining which files to look through for character talent tags?
i'm not sure where to look in the github repo
if that's the right place to look hah
srl Aug 18, 2021 4:32 AM
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itskhoi Aug 18, 2021 8:33 AM
@gengar Hi, could you get some footage for Diona, Chongyun, Noelle, and Sayu as well?

We probably won't need one for Kazuha & Childe. So just those 4 are enough
gengar Aug 18, 2021 8:44 AM
Yep I can get footage for diona but I don't have sacrificial great sword for the other three
itskhoi Aug 18, 2021 8:48 AM
you could ask for help in #theorycrafting, or start a theory-hunt
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Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 8:55 AM
I can record noelle and chongyun (edited)
wait does chong's A4 proc activate sac?
my chong is lvl40
gengar Aug 18, 2021 9:04 AM
yeah, it's chongyuns A4
hm I don't have permission to send msgs in the theorycrafting/theory hunt channels
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 9:06 AM
do it in #tc-general
gengar Aug 18, 2021 9:06 AM
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 9:07 AM
I'll do noelle test because I have her c4
gengar Aug 18, 2021 9:08 AM
Diona-- the 3 paws on the right hit before the 2 paws on the left, should confirm that each hit can independently proc SB http://imgur.com/a/O6qk6bs
diona_sacrificial_bow
itskhoi Aug 18, 2021 9:13 AM
@gengar who else do you need? just Chongyun?
i could grab em for ya
gengar Aug 18, 2021 9:15 AM
Just chongyun yep, that would be great thanks!
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 9:18 AM
Noelle
both initial cast and C4 dmg proc activate sac passive
gengar Aug 18, 2021 9:19 AM
itskhoi Aug 18, 2021 9:21 AM
Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 9:22 AM
gengar Aug 18, 2021 9:23 AM
Added noelle and chongyun evidence to the spreadsheet, thanks again!
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Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 9:41 AM
ah sorry
apparently gengar already uploaded them on imgur
phaZ Aug 18, 2021 9:41 AM
aight 180° turn
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Nass008 Aug 18, 2021 9:41 AM
this
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