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@gengar - CD reduction double burst
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gengar
Aug 19, 2021 8:39 AM
Finding: With Chongyun's ice field, anemo resonance, and 20% elemental burst CD reduction from an abyss card, some characters with deployable bursts can have two bursts on field at once.
Bennett: first field lasts one second after casting second field, expires 2 seconds early (?) http://imgur.com/a/2iknJys
bennett_partial_double_burst
Tried with diona, but not enough CD reduction // first field expires right at second field cast
Other characters to try--Venti, ganyu (don't have so I'm not sure how their bursts work with CD reduction)
Possibly sayu or c4 XL, but I'm not able to test these
ItzSomebody
Aug 19, 2021 9:46 AM
Christopher U
XL: 2 coexisting Pyronados
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Peekays
Aug 19, 2021 12:51 PM
Any bursts that don't work this way? Given that the numbers allow them to
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Greyhound
Aug 19, 2021 1:20 PM
ganyu can't have 2 ults up at the same time
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the first one gets destroyed upon casting the 2nd
elijam
Aug 19, 2021 3:12 PM
I guess if xiangling works, kaeya might be worth it to test? p easy with C2
srl
Aug 19, 2021 3:47 PM
might be quicker to check config. one's like ganyu that are gadgets have a line that actually says on burst, remove existing gadget
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gengar
Aug 19, 2021 8:48 PM
XL pyro archon confirmed, she can have double guoba and double pyronado
gengar
Aug 19, 2021 9:55 PM
i think this is the section on ganyu's burst? ;-;; except i don't really understand how to interpret the json objects
phaZ
Aug 20, 2021 1:55 AM
Think UnbreakableIce_Dummy! Think!
gengar
Aug 20, 2021 2:25 AM
Ice_dummy is her taunt lotus right? But what is the unbreakable tag
gengar
Aug 20, 2021 3:01 AM
ah so here's the killgadget line i think
gengar
Aug 20, 2021 4:23 AM
ok went through the configAbility files, and i think venti is the only other character that could possibly have a double burst on field
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gengar
Aug 20, 2021 4:24 AM
doesn't look like c2 kaeya would work
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gengar
Aug 20, 2021 4:25 AM
i thought sayu's field lasted longer but it's the same duration as diona's so nvm
Sorry
Aug 20, 2021 6:26 PM
Can geo mc have three Q up same time ?
Sorry
Aug 20, 2021 6:34 PM
C6 Baal Chongyun abyss card geo mc
gengar
Aug 20, 2021 6:59 PM
nope, geo mc's Q breaks if you recast :(
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gengar
Aug 20, 2021 7:02 PM
hm c6 baal with sayu or jean ?
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Sorry
Aug 20, 2021 7:03 PM
Any
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Sorry
Aug 20, 2021 7:03 PM
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gengar
Aug 20, 2021 7:04 PM
oh wait really ? sorry my bad
15 sec duration / 15 sec cooldown, can test without abyss card
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Sorry
Aug 20, 2021 7:05 PM
One cons gives the Q 5 seconds + duration
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gengar
Aug 20, 2021 7:05 PM
ohh sorry i forgot about those
ahh i see yeah it would be cool to test 3 up at once
Sorry
Aug 20, 2021 7:05 PM
20 / 15 two up simultaneously for 5 seconds with c6 Baal
It be two up for 10 seconds
gengar
Aug 20, 2021 7:07 PM
with chongyun/abyss card CD --> 9.75 seconds
Sorry
Aug 20, 2021 7:07 PM
Chongyun and 20 % abyss card three Q up simultaneously for 5.25 seconds ?
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gengar
Aug 20, 2021 7:16 PM
a little bit less bc of swap time + Q animation for baal
gotta find someone with c6 baal then
Sorry
Aug 21, 2021 1:08 PM
I’ll be c6ing Baal, I can test after
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gengar
Aug 21, 2021 5:25 PM
oh nice that's awesome :0
do you have kazuha ? his burst is ~2 sec too short with current methods, but it might work with baal
gengar
Aug 22, 2021 3:06 PM
@Sorry hey apologies for the ping, but if you have venti would you be able to test his double burst before 2.1 ? might just be tinfoil hat paranoia but im wondering if mihoyo's gonna remove double bursts for some characters in consideration of c6 baal
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fuujin3
Aug 25, 2021 10:31 PM
Different person but...
The total CD reduction is 40% (15% chongyun c2, 5% anemo res, 20% abyss card), so Venti's 15s cooldown is reduced to 9s but only lasts 8s.
Regardless, I tried anyway to see if there was anything:
https://streamable.com/vjk3wv
but yeah, the ult expires too early
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gengar
Aug 25, 2021 10:51 PM
Ohh thanks so much for testing
My bad, I saw 15sec CD and thought that was the duration
fuujin3
Aug 25, 2021 10:57 PM
All good. I mean if you don't own venti, you wouldn't know
fuujin3
Aug 26, 2021 10:08 AM
new event node gets 45% CD reduction
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gengar
Aug 26, 2021 2:20 PM
nice I'll try it out
gengar
Aug 26, 2021 9:26 PM
ok i can confirm that diona can't have double ult, the first field will expire on activation of the second
gengar
Aug 29, 2021 3:45 AM
Just waiting on baal's banner so that we can try a couple more characters, and then I'll close /do the writeup
anonpuffs
Sep 2, 2021 12:53 AM
Does bennett burst stack with itself?
gengar
Sep 2, 2021 4:11 AM
i don't think it would, since it doesn't stack in co-op
gengar
Sep 3, 2021 11:13 PM
@Sorry hello are you still interested in testing venti/kazuha/sayu/geo MC (any or all) with c6 baal ?
gengar
Sep 3, 2021 11:24 PM
floor 4 chamber 2 of abyss has the CD reduction card today
I also retested lisa // can confirm that her ability to double burst hasn't been patched out in consideration of baal's release, so i assume it's the same for other characters
Sorry
Sep 3, 2021 11:36 PM
Sorry
Sep 3, 2021 11:51 PM
@gengar venti ain’t looking like he can double burst
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gengar
Sep 4, 2021 1:23 AM
Oh ok good to know :) thanks for testing
Sorry
Sep 4, 2021 4:44 AM
I tried with geo mc but was unsuccessful
gengar
Sep 4, 2021 6:19 AM
gengar
Sep 4, 2021 6:26 AM
Finding: With sufficient CD reduction (Chongyun's ice field, anemo resonance, and 20% elemental burst CD reduction from a spiral abyss card), some characters with deployable bursts can have two bursts on field simultaneously.
Evidence: Video evidence and additional comments consolidated here (unsuccessful characters not included) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wNcQ_nnxpG7fD3uTlUcQw8fEWnptp_TE1MGsJDKHzKw/edit?usp=sharing
Significance: Documents which current characters are able to have a double burst on field. Extra testing after Baal's release (in consideration of the CD reduction provided by C6) also confirms that the burst talent configurations for these characters remain unchanged.
thanks to ItzSomebody#0029, fuujin3#2435, and Sorry#6046 for testing and providing video evidence!
CD-reduction-double-burst
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CD reduction sources:
C2 Chongyun's Frost Field
Anemo resonance
Character Elemental Skill and Burst CD -20% (Spiral Abyss chamber card)
Character,Evidence,Comment
Lisa,http://imgur.com/a/yFN9VuB
Bennett,http://i...
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