KQM | Genshin Impact - hydro-slimes-apply-wet-to-surrounding-in-certain-situations

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@Rainfury - swirling applies aura on oneself
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Rainfury Sep 3, 2021 8:21 AM

Finding/Bug : Swirling an element (only tested hydro so far) applies that element on your active anemo character

Notes :
1. Distance might matter
2. Maybe only certain skills apply the aura
3. Maybe it only affects hydro slimes
4. Benny might be a factor too
5. It's also possible that hugging a hydro slimes close enough can apply hydro on yourself

Significance : Can cause self-harm, and might be useful in cleansing (edited)

Kazuha using E, not getting attacked, but cleansed benny's E and apply hydro aura on himself

(edited)

Testing with a different character, and finding that they don't get affected by hydro aura the whole time

Then swapping to Kazu, got hit (so I wait a little to let benny cleanse it), then use his E and applying hydro to himself again

(edited)

AMC E infusing himself with hydro

AMC Q

I'll do more testing when I find the time, mainly testing on different enemies and maybe different slimes

I don't have venti or Jean, so I need someone else to help me test them. Some tests with sucrose too would be helpful as my alt (the one I'm using rn) doesn't have sucrose (edited)

Rainfury Sep 3, 2021 2:23 PM

Note : There was a 80MB update since the time I recorded the above clips, so this might just be a bug that was fixed

Kazu E against an hilicurl with a touch
Results : No Aura

(edited)

Kazu E against cryo slimes
Results : No Aura

Kazu E on an enemy with hydro aura
Results : No aura

Kazu E against hydro slimes in abyss 9 after the update without Bennett this time too
Results : Hydro Aura still gets applied, but much later than expected (only after landing)

(edited)

Confirming that hugging the slime doesn't apply the hydro aura
Results : No Aura

Kazu click E NEAR the slime
Results : Hydro Aura straight away

Testing to see if swirling hydro applies hydro to you
Results : No Aura

Kazu E against overworld hydro slimes
Results : Hydro Aura

Kazu click E in overworld
Results : Hydro Aura

Kazu Q against overworld slimes (and another E, but this time I got hit right as I wanna used it so it don't count)
Results : No Aura

Kazu Q in abyss
Results : no Aura

Extra Note : I believe that slimes (and possibly other mobs) apply an hydro to your character if that character is in the "target/red circle" even if they are too high to be damaged

Rainfury Sep 3, 2021 3:01 PM

I did all the testing I could think of, besides trying to apply hydro on another slime, and testing with different characters

So far, my conclusion is either

Skills that pull hydro slimes will make them close enough to you for them to apply hydro on you

OR

Swirling hydro off an hydro slime (and being close enough) will make you self apply hydro to yourself

Notes :
Doesn't seem to work on other slimes (tested only cryo slimes) or other monsters
Works in both abyss and overworld
Only kazu E, AMC E, AMC Q have this property (the two characters I can test. I forgot to test AMC anemo blame)

Faranight Sep 4, 2021 4:05 AM

what the hell

I think it's important to note that each of those are absorption anemo abilities centered on the character. AMC E for instance always had this behavior and would always apply the absorbed aura to them self.
I am pretty sure this is new behavior, I'll have to see if some of my stored vids can back that up but I usually do not test on hydro slimes.

Rainfury Sep 4, 2021 2:32 PM

Well, for one, I know that ever since 2.0 abyss came, I was never able to swirl pyro with kazu burst (I always Kazu E > Q out of habit) in that chamber cuz I always had an hydro aura on me, so this behavior must have already been here by then

CQLQRS Sep 8, 2021 5:23 AM

Tested jean for electro slime in abyss and it shows that the electro aura comes frm being hit and not because of close proximity

will test with other slimes, particularly hydro and lyk

Rainfury Sep 8, 2021 6:08 AM

Alright, I got into my friend's account

Venti E
Results : No Aura
Possible explanation : Too far

Xiao E
Results : Hydro Aura

Sucrose E
Results : Same as venti

Sucrose AA when close to slimes
Results : Hydro Aura

Venti Hold E when close to slime
Results : hydro Aura

Xiao E again
Results : Hydro Aura
Interesting thing to note : EC doesn't deal damage to Xiao

(edited)

venti Q constant Hydro swirls
Results : hydro aura is applied to all characters who are close enough

Venti Q infused hydro without any enemies
Results : No aura

Xiao E on cryo slime
Results : No aura

Xiao E, venti hold E, Sucrose AA onto pyro slimes
Results : No Aura

Xiao E, Venti hold E, Sucrose AA onto enemies with hydro aura (non-slime)
Results : no Aura

Xiao E, Venti Hold E on non-hydro slime that has hydro aura
Results : No Aura

Xiao E onto electro slime
Results : no Aura

I guess from what I tested so far, it seems I can come to a conclusion

Swirling hydro slimes will apply a "wet" aura to nearby characters

Notes :
It seems to work similarly to what I understand from "self applied aura", which won't damage the character (like Bennett Q procing OL/vape/melt)
You have to be near the slime when the swirl happens for you to get "wet"

I didn't test Jean, but I'll assume Jean will work similarly too

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Greyhound Sep 10, 2021 3:53 PM

@Rainfury your findings are good but the evidence can't be uploaded to discord

Rainfury Sep 10, 2021 11:20 PM

Where should I upload them? I think it's a little too short to upload each and every one of them to YouTube

Greyhound Sep 10, 2021 11:20 PM

imgur

Rainfury Sep 10, 2021 11:49 PM

Does this work?
https://imgur.com/a/rACKS5v
I can't get all the files to upload, but at least most of the important ones are in

Swirling applies wet onto character

Greyhound Sep 10, 2021 11:50 PM

if it's enough evidence to prove your findings yes, if it's not the ticket will be opened again to ask for more

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BowlSoldier Sep 11, 2021 4:22 PM

There is a strange piece of code on Hydro slimes that triggers when the slime is hit, unless the slime is frozen. Is it possible to repeat one of these tests on a Frozen Hydro slime, and an EC Hydro slime, to narrow down if this is what is causing it?

phaZ Sep 11, 2021 10:08 PM

notice how sucrose has enemy electro applied before getting applied with hydro from her own swirl, seemingly she does not even trigger electro charged while maintaining both auras on herself, until she gets hit again from electro hilichurl shooter that triggers EC finally. same also can happen in inazuma overworld when in water, then getting electro applied from seelies and those lighting towers carrying both auras without triggering EC

so the same as in xiao clip below (i should definitely read everything first...)

this interaction is so random anyways like (edited)

BowlSoldier Sep 12, 2021 7:20 AM

I believe this ticket is incorrect. It doesn't seem to be Swirl specifically that is spreading Hydro. Hitting a Hydro slime with any damage while it's not Frozen causes it to apply Hydro to everything in a small circle around it, including you. So you can do this with any melee attack, not just Swirl.

Can't post a video as evidence right now, as I only have my phone, but this is easily testable in Abyss 4-1 (edited)

BowlSoldier Sep 12, 2021 7:34 AM

Hydro slimes also apply Hydro in that same small area around them every time they hop, though it does no damage

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BowlSoldier Sep 13, 2021 8:36 PM

@Rainfury Got some footage to help with this:

Hitting a slime causes it to splash Hydro onto anything nearby, applying Hydro without dealing any damage. Usually found by meleeing them. This should apply Hydro to enemies standing next to the Hydro slime when the slime gets hit, but that's difficult for me to test without Swirling. https://youtu.be/Qk82s99infg

This doesn't happen if the slime is Frozen. Presumably because frozen water doesn't splash? https://youtu.be/G-KyZwKnM1s

Slimes do the same Hydro splash to anything nearby each time they hop around, friend or foe. See how the small Hydro slime's hops apply Hydro to the hilichurls in this video, then to my Diluc: https://youtu.be/zEjEdiG-4eA

Theoretically this should be usable to spread Hydro to anything nearby Hydro slimes, either by having the slimes hop at them, or by hitting the slimes while they're beside them. It's also wild to me that I don't think this mechanic of Hydro slimes has ever been discovered before. I've never heard of it, and it's not documented in the TCL anywhere that I could find. Amazing work noticing this Rainfury!

If anyone's curious to see the code for this mechanic, it's on the pages for the Hydro slimes.
Being hit: https://github.com/Dimbreath/GenshinData/blob/d633c8cfe5f1f383413a1f65f44d9bd018e5f9be/BinOutput/Ability/Temp/MonsterAbilities/ConfigAbility_Monster_Slime_Water.json#L12
Hopping: https://github.com/Dimbreath/GenshinData/blob/d633c8cfe5f1f383413a1f65f44d9bd018e5f9be/BinOutput/Ability/Temp/MonsterAbilities/ConfigAbility_Monster_Slime_Water.json#L143
Slime_Water_02 is the small slime, Slime_Water_03 is the big slime. According to the code, the large slime applies 2 Hydro with each of these mechanics (50 durability), and the small slime applies 1 Hydro (25 durability). Haven't tested that in game yet, it would be worth seeing if the durations match what we expect. (edited)

Bowl Soldier

Meleeing Hydro Slime

Bowl Soldier

Meleeing Frozen Hydro Slime

Bowl Soldier

Hydro Slime Bouncing

GenshinData/ConfigAbility_Monster_Slime_Water.json at d633c8cfe5f1f...

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Rainfury Sep 13, 2021 11:13 PM

Interesting. I did tested with frozen slimes once, and it seems it still ended up applying hydro to me (from swirl)

I'll try to get some clips of it. I deleted it a few days ago

Rainfury Sep 14, 2021 11:29 AM

Alright, I did a test and turns out you're right

https://imgur.com/a/g3SUdkj - (edited)

Finding = Hydro slimes apply wet to surroundings in certain situations

Hydro slimes will make surroundings wet (both ally and enemy) when
1. It bounces
2. It gets hit by an attack and/or knockback (mona gets the aura too)

It will not apply wet if
1. The target is too far away
2. The slime is frozen

NOT SURE YET (MIGHT BE A NEW TICKET where getting EC in ult animation MIGHT HAVE YOU IMMUNE TO THE WHOLE DURATION) - Damaging the slimes again when you have to hydro aura on you seems to cleanse and reapply the "self-applied" hydro aura on you, as seen in the Baal animation example

This "wet" property seems to work similarly with "self-applied auras", where it will not trigger damaging elemental reactions (edited)

Currently getting more test done

https://imgur.com/a/YDww90R - Sucrose Swirling a frozen slime, No aura (edited)

https://imgur.com/a/1kkpMhr - Ranged (and freeze with the same hit, includes Ganyu, Lisa, Mona) onto hydro slimes. Results : Aura on all, and another example of the self-applied aura

(not uploaded to imgur) - 4 star animations can apply it too

https://imgur.com/a/Isc993K 5star animations seems to apply hydro during the animation (possibly during the knockback), then reapply again (cleansing the last hydro aura as well) when the burst or EC does the first hit of dmg (edited)

https://imgur.com/a/0VciMcu - EC doing damage to slimes, which then apply the aura to us as well

https://imgur.com/a/sCGo7f3 - The aura doesn't seem to be cleansing itself as I thought. I'll try hitting the slimes

BowlSoldier Sep 14, 2021 12:08 PM

What do you mean by cleansing? The normal rules for reapplying the same element is that it resets the element. So if you apply 2B Hydro, wait until it decays to like 0.6 Hydro, then apply 2B Hydro again, it just resets the Hydro back to 2B again

Or acts as a "refill", whatever terminology you want

The Hydro slimes seem to be working similarly, based on your videos?

Rainfury Sep 14, 2021 1:20 PM

In the 5* animation vid, Baal already have a hydro aura

Then, she got hit with an electro aura, which should cause EC to damage her, but didn't (edited)

BowlSoldier Sep 14, 2021 1:25 PM

It's hard to tell whether that's unique to the slimes, or if that's due to any burst immunity. Because the EC started while you were immune during your burst animation, it looks like you were immune to the EC damage for the whole EC duration. The same thing happens with Ganyu's burst later in the same video.

We can tell there's EC active on each of them, as they both have the EC animation playing on them. It's a paler coloured lightning effect then when you just have Electro on you, closer to blue than purple

Rainfury Sep 14, 2021 1:26 PM

Interesting. Has there been a ticket where getting EC'd in burst immunity makes you immune to the damage for the whole duration?

BowlSoldier Sep 14, 2021 1:29 PM

Nope, that's pure speculation on my part. Should be easy for one of us to test

I'm just trying to guess at what's causing that

Rainfury Sep 14, 2021 1:30 PM

Well, since youre the one who came out with the theory, you can go open the ticket

Having too many tickets open is tiring for me

Just this ticket is tired enough

Rainfury Sep 15, 2021 7:38 AM

btw @BowlSoldier, do you think there's anything else to add? I think I can close the ticket now

Oh, maybe test if knockback applies hydro too

BowlSoldier Sep 15, 2021 1:00 PM

Two small things that could still be good to test:

Rainfury Sep 15, 2021 1:01 PM

Ahh, also forgot to test if shattering applies hydro

I was testing it when I found the super shatter

BowlSoldier Sep 15, 2021 1:01 PM

Does the strength of Hydro on these two abilities match the values in Dimsbreath repository?
Big Slime
Hop = 50? (2U)
Onhit splash = 50?

Small slime
Hop = 25? (1U)
Onhit splash = 25? (1U)

Should be checkable by counting how long the Auras last on your character. 50 should be 12s, 25 should be 9.5s. And make sure you don't have a resonance on that reduces the amount of time you are affected by Hydro, I've made that mistake before!

Then the other test is the 0 damage, knockback tests you've already mentioned. Do they splash if hit with a 0 damage knockback attack like XQs burst animation? How about hits from Barbara that they're immune to?

BowlSoldier Sep 15, 2021 1:07 PM

That's a great idea actually. Since Shatter happens before elements are applied, they might Shatter and then splash on the same hit. Heck, the damage from the Shatter itself might cause them to splash.

The Shatter bug means you'll probably have a much easier time testing this in the overworld without the bug.

Rainfury Sep 15, 2021 1:08 PM

My brain is too to test this. Can you do it

BowlSoldier Sep 15, 2021 1:08 PM

Haha, sure, I can take a look at it later today. Do you want the videos in imgur or YouTube?

Rainfury Sep 15, 2021 2:15 PM

Any works tbh

Greyhound Sep 23, 2021 11:54 AM

@Rainfury @BowlSoldier do you 2 still want to look into this or should it be archived/deleted?

BowlSoldier Sep 23, 2021 12:04 PM

It's 99% done and ready to be completed, it's my fault it's not been closed yet. I've not had much time, I'll try get these results later

Rainfury Sep 23, 2021 1:33 PM

Yea, just waiting for Bowl to find time to help me test gauge

Besides that, I think I will be able to test if shattering applies hydro (if it doesn't bug out again) and the ticket is basically done

BowlSoldier Sep 23, 2021 5:49 PM

@Rainfury I wound up testing the shatter thing while I was testing durations. It does apply Hydro. Here's evidence on that: https://youtu.be/nRTK21ZQSSU

Bowl Soldier

Hydro Slime - Shatter Applies Hydro

I got recordings of all the durations, then realised I forgot to take off Pyro resonance so the numbers were all wrong

BowlSoldier Sep 23, 2021 6:48 PM

@Rainfury I have bad news: I can't tell the strength of the Hydro auras by their duration, as all of the Hydro auras from the slimes are fixed at 10s regardless of their strength. These slimes just keep getting stranger and stranger.

Small Slime On-hit
Aura Duration: 600 frames = 10s
Evidence: https://youtu.be/q-avodAKeEs

Small Slime Hop
Aura Duration: 600 frames = 10s
Evidence: https://youtu.be/nckb-u6WBu8

Large Slime On-hit
Aura Duration: 606 frames = 10.1s
Evidence: https://youtu.be/LpnIyFNejBw

Large Slime Hop
Aura Duration: 603 frames = 10.05s
Evidence: https://youtu.be/1JNVta6C2GY

Bowl Soldier

Small Hydro Slime On-hit

Bowl Soldier

Small Hydro Slime Hop

Bowl Soldier

Large Hydro Slime On-hit

Bowl Soldier

Large Hydro Slime Hop

This actually matches the behaviour in the repo, the Hydro there is hardcoded to 10s for both varieties of Slime. Check lines 58 and 127 to see that. https://github.com/Dimbreath/GenshinData/blob/d633c8cfe5f1f383413a1f65f44d9bd018e5f9be/BinOutput/Ability/Temp/MonsterAbilities/ConfigAbility_Monster_Slime_Water.json#L58

GenshinData/ConfigAbility_Monster_Slime_Water.json at d633c8cfe5f1f...

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To find the strength, that means someone will have to try to apply other elements and see how much of another element it takes to remove the Hydro. Since self-applying elements is difficult, the easiest way is probably to get each slime to apply element to a Hillichurl or other enemy, then immediately react with that Hillichurl. A 2U Freeze would be a good choice as then we can calculate the strength of the Hydro based on the Freeze duration

I won't have much time to do this, I'm swamped with work for the next few weeks

Also: what the hell happens if you apply more Hydro on top of this 10s-fixed-duration Hydro? Do we get a 1U or 2U Hydro on an enemy but with a fixed 10s duration still? Seriously weird stuff

Rainfury Sep 23, 2021 11:55 PM

Well, I guess we can ignore it. Thx for all your help

I guess I'll make another write up and close the ticket

Finding = Hydro slimes apply wet to surroundings in certain situations

Hydro slimes will make surroundings wet (both ally and enemy) when
1. It bounces
2. It gets hit by an attack even if they are immune to the damage (mona gets the aura too)

It will not apply wet if
1. The target is too far away
2. The slime is frozen (shattering a slime will apply hydro)

This "wet" property seems to work similarly with "self-applied auras", where it will not trigger damaging elemental reactions

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phaZ Sep 29, 2021 8:41 PM

i just discovered that slimes can apply wet independent of z-distance (height distance)

Greyhound Sep 29, 2021 8:50 PM

this might make you question life, but mihoyo made X the height for skills, and Y the height for in game, Z is not used as height anywhere

phaZ Sep 29, 2021 8:51 PM

ye w/e axis but you get the idea ;D

Greyhound Sep 29, 2021 8:52 PM

I just like to ruin the day for people with common sense

BowlSoldier Sep 30, 2021 7:31 AM

Also, I've since noticed that Hydro slimes of both types also apply Hydro to everything around them when they die. 2U for the small slimes, 4U for the big ones, according to the code repo. Haven't been able to test those numbers in game, but mean it might be technically possible to apply 4U Hydo to an enemy for meme combos

elijam Oct 10, 2021 11:16 PM

verified (just the hydro application existing as per rain's writeup, no fucking clue what's going on with the durability)

BowTae Oct 18, 2021 5:33 PM

Verified Rainfury's writeup in game, but with a few things to note that probably also need to be verified:
1: I could only get small hydro slimes to apply hydro when they land after 3 hops (they seem to typically move by doing 3 hops at a time). You can actually see this happening in the Small Hydro Slime Hop video from BowlSoldier, where Diluc does not get hydro until the slime lands on the third hop. It's possible that this is just because the hydro range for small slimes is kinda tiny
2: While shattering a frozen slime normally applies hydro, shattering and refreezing a frozen slime with a cryo claymore attack (aka Chongyun) does not apply hydro, or I couldn't get it to apply (someone should probably verify this part) https://youtu.be/wLB6oq8AgQg
3: Hydro Slimes apply hydro on unfreeze https://youtu.be/iOYamVjMRhU

Like eli, I didn't check anything to do with duration/durability (edited)

BowTae

Frozen Slime vs. Cryo Infused Claymore Attack

BowTae

Large Hydro Slime Applies Wet on Unfreeze

elijam Oct 18, 2021 7:07 PM

oh I didnâ€™t check 2 or 3

!rm 8hr check 2 and 3 in game https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/883264842931257425/899711810847002735

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Alright elijam, I'll remind you about check 2 and 3 in game https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/883264842931257425/899711810847002735 in 8 hours. ID: 28525316

elijam Oct 18, 2021 7:08 PM

I just checked shatter but I wasnâ€™t using cryo attacks just beedoo

elijam Oct 19, 2021 6:15 AM

okay 3 verified, 1 verified(? I didnâ€™t get it to happen after like three minutes of trying and then I got bored of harassing slimes), 2â€¦.. ??

same as bowtaeâ€™s video, instead of always applying hydro to me I had it happen like

twice? whacking it with chongyun + bei

incl one with chongyunâ€™s burst??

but maybe it unfroze while I was casting his burst? I donâ€™t know

but anyway it definitely does not always happen

Iâ€™ll try casting more chongyun bursts on slimes tmrw if anyone thinks itâ€™s relevant, if not we can just maybe note that immediate refreeze will sometimes result in the slime not hydroing you upon shatter

if anyone wants to test with eula E or sth too that would be nice I donâ€™t have her

Scavenger Oct 19, 2021 2:26 PM

Scavenger Oct 19, 2021 2:35 PM

It is very hard to see because of how fast the slime applies hydro on you, but I believe that the slime needs to DO something to u to apply hydro, not by just shattering the slime. In most of the case, because of how fast it applies, we can't see a thing. In bowtae footage about shatter and reapply cryo to freeze right after that, we can see that shatter doesn't the same with 100% hydro apply. Only very late in the video when the freeze duration runs short, that we can see wet apply, and in slow motion, the slime clearly moved from the first position and did other moves ( thus applying wet on us).
Well, as written in the jumble video above, this is just my pure speculation

BowTae Oct 19, 2021 11:57 PM

so, mona omen doesn't pop if you do shatter+refreeze with chongyun. I'm guessing something similar is happening here. Maybe chongyun burst applies cryo faster than a hydro slime can uhh rehydrate itself? (I have no idea how it works, just guessing)

how should we proceed with this ticket? should we just go forward with the original writeup (which is already twice verified) and ignore the shatter+refreeze for now? That part seems like it should belong in another ticket, since it has unique interactions with other things like mona burst (edited)

elijam Oct 19, 2021 11:58 PM

thatâ€™s fine imo, the core findings of the ticket are verified

Aluminum Oct 25, 2021 1:43 AM

Alright BowTae and Elijam have considered the verified so I'm moving it despite whatever they're saying in their essay
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/851428030094114847/902008095964799037

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elijam Oct 25, 2021 6:29 AM

working on pr