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kokomis-jellyfish-is-uninterruptible
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Ticket Tool BOT Sep 22, 2021 5:02 PM
@million - Kokomi's jellyfish is uninterruptible during cast
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million Sep 22, 2021 5:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTvLAZtXOzA was curious as to why this Kokomi's damage was so low using Moonglow in their damage comparison (not my video), so I did calculations which showed that he wasn't activating his 4pc HoD buff even though visually Kokomi is using her jellyfish in the showcase. left a comment with the explanation + math
possible that Kokomi's jellyfish is uninterruptible on cast, but if the character is still "interrupted" (not sure how this works? poise?) then 4pcHoD set will not activate meaning micromanagement is necessary when using the set on her. Perhaps has other implications for how interrupts work in Genshin but that is outside scope of this ticket
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ZatuArk
Everlasting Moonglow VS Skyward Atlas VS Prototype Amber VS Dodoco ...
In this video i will be showing you a C0 Kokomi using 4 weapons to see her healing and Damage comparisons. This is only her raw damage & raw healing without any team buffs and team resonance. She will probably give out more if include those . I will put out other videos for that builds and comps.

THANKS FOR WATCHING AND HOPEFULLY YOU ENJOYED✨
...
million Sep 22, 2021 5:24 PM
Pasting YT comment into the ticket:
I reverse engineered your results and found out why Moonglow LOOKS like it's underperforming in your video. Basically for whatever reason HoD 4pc set isn't going off during your Moonglow burst section so you're missing 30% DMG bonus at the end of the calculation. You can also see this visually in the video because Kokomi doesn't have the red glowy arrows surrounding her when you're using Moonglow, indicating that the 4HoD buff is not being applied. As to why it isn't being applied idk. Could be due to the fact that Kokomi should technically be interrupted (any other character would be interrupted) during her skill cast but visually isn't because of poise or hard coding or any other reason.





math:

NA1 mult: 95.73% talent rank 6
Burst HP% DMG mult: 6.78% talent rank 6

Moonglow
HP 42914
ATK 1175
Healing 70.9
Hydro 43.8

5794 = .90 * 0.49608355091 * x
x = outgoing damage = 12977
6.78 + 1 + (0.15 * 70.9) = 18.415 (extra one percent due to moonglow passive)

~12977 = ((1175 * 95.73/100) + (42914 * 18.415/100)) * (1 + 43.8/100)

Atlas
HP 36818
ATK 1481
Healing 60.9
Hydro 55.8

6035 = .90 * 0.49608355091 * x
x = outgoing damage = 13517
6.78 + (0.15 * 60.9) = 15.915

~13517 = ((1481 * 95.73/100) + (36818 * 15.915/100)) * (1 + 85.8/100) -> Note the 30% increase from the base 55.8 hydro from the HoD 4pc set effect
Greyhound Sep 23, 2021 11:57 AM
@million what or why is this ticket
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elijam Sep 23, 2021 12:16 PM
seems like a bug with 4HoD activating if she gets interrupted mid jellyfish cast
iirc from our conversation in #tc-general
they were gonna post a theoryhunt for it or sth and I told them to dm it to an editor and then
million Sep 23, 2021 2:53 PM
work comes first. I will probably have time this afternoon to finish writing the hunt and sending it to an editor.
@Greyhound the explanations I posted should be sufficient, but in case they aren't:

In the video I linked, at around 1:07 Kokomi uses her jellyfish and is interrupted, but the cast still completes and the jellyfish is alive. However 4pcHoD isn't triggered.
So is this a bug? Or does her skill complete by design where other characters' skills would not complete and therefore properly not receive the buff making Kokomi a special case? That is the purpose of this initial ticket.

Follow up questions would be, outside the scope of this:

- if it can be reproduced, can this sort of "uninterruptible" interaction occur with all characters?

- if is it by design with pet summon skills or similarly "uninterruptible" skills where the cast and skill will finish anyways, does that mean bonuses similar to 4pcHoD will actually not be triggered upon interruption even though the skill goes through?
for example let's say Fischl for some reason is using 4pc HoD and summons Oz and is "interrupted", but Oz still appears (assuming similar interaction). Will she get the set bonus or no?
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elijam Sep 23, 2021 4:31 PM
afaik 4CW is fine on xiangling even if you get interrupted mid guoba, so this might be either a 4HoD specific bug or a kokomi specific bug or there might just be a limited time frame for it
Tibo Sep 24, 2021 10:19 AM
I've been able to replicate this bug https://imgur.com/tBed7gZ
Does 1120 n1's even after E (with 4p HoD) while it should be 1297
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Tibo Sep 24, 2021 4:46 PM
i've also been able to replicate the reverse - triggering HoD without Jellyfish
(Same set so expected buffed is 1297, not buffed 1120)
https://imgur.com/3cZWdQQ
Greyhound Sep 28, 2021 2:24 PM
@million do you have any plans to work with someone on this or posting a hunt or is it dropped and I can just delete the ticket?
million Sep 29, 2021 2:12 PM
@Greyhound I don’t have any plans due to irl conflicting. I will send out a hunt today and if possible maybe this can be reassigned to someone else like @Tibo

Otherwise, if there is no other progress you can feel free to close.
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million Sep 29, 2021 2:14 PM
How did you achieve this? Is it by attempting to start the skill and got canceled as soon as the animation starts
Tibo Sep 29, 2021 2:16 PM
getting interrupted while doing her E, I've been able to do the reverse more often than the original not triggering
After that one instance (of not triggering it) I could only do the other one (triggering it without jellyfish) multiple times (edited)
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NZPIEFACE Oct 22, 2021 10:25 AM
@Greyhound was that theory hunt ever sent? i dont remember seeing it in #theory-hunt
Greyhound Oct 22, 2021 10:27 AM
no, don't think so, this channel should've been deleted 2 weeks ago but nobody takes care of cleaning tickets up atm
NZPIEFACE Oct 22, 2021 10:27 AM
😔
elijam Oct 22, 2021 11:07 PM
@Tibo @million do either of you want to wrap up this ticket? if the bug is replicable you can submit it, if not we can just delete it
and by we I mean
I dunno
maybe we can ping lowy
Tibo Oct 22, 2021 11:09 PM
I can (or could in case it's fixed in 2.2) fairly consistently replicate the "HoD effect without CD/jellyfish" part, the other one was quite rare
elijam Oct 22, 2021 11:11 PM
if you want you can do a write up for just that
Tibo Oct 22, 2021 11:11 PM
I'll first check if it's still in game
it still is
Finding/Bug: Kokomi can trigger the 4-piece Hearth of Depth effect when getting interrupted during casting of E (while her E doesn't go on cooldown and not spawning Bake-Kurage)

Evidence:
https://imgur.com/3cZWdQQ
Buffed NA1 is 1297, not buffed was 1120
Also notice buff particles

Significance: Permanent 4p HoD uptime at cost of getting interrupted and Bake-Kurage
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elijam Oct 23, 2021 5:05 AM
well
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elijam Oct 23, 2021 5:06 AM
you can close the ticket if you think you're done, the original poster isn't responding so
I guess it's time for me to go get hit by shit with kokomi
Ticket Tool BOT Oct 23, 2021 7:46 AM
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Monochrom9 Oct 25, 2021 1:33 AM
Verified
elijam Oct 25, 2021 1:38 AM
yea ok I'm shit at this but I could only get the snapshot one like 10% of the time anyway too so I say if I get it once then
verified
plus off our videos ig
Ticket Tool BOT Oct 25, 2021 2:02 AM
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16 - @292093270434250762 - elijam#7142
8 - @127393188729192448 - Tibo#4309
5 - @318533738608852992 - million#6929
4 - @557628352828014614 - Ticket Tool#4843
3 - @264018289359847424 - Greyhound#7836
2 - @112500541417857024 - NZPIEFACE#8439
1 - @154004693826273280 - Monochrom9#8058
BowTae Oct 25, 2021 2:02 AM
working on pr
Monochrom9 Oct 25, 2021 2:05 AM
k!tc 318533738608852992
Keqing BOT Oct 25, 2021 2:05 AM
Added Wangsheng Contributor to @318533738608852992!
BowTae Oct 25, 2021 2:11 AM
pr up
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itskhoi Oct 26, 2021 4:39 AM
uh.. isn't @Tibo the one who finished this ticket? @million gave up (edited)
speaking of whom, @Tibo could you also test this on shime set?

if it works (which it should), then we can add a front entry on Kokomi's page about her E interactions, so that this is not just one unique interaction with HoD
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Monochrom9 Oct 26, 2021 4:44 AM
considering the entire essay and math that he posted above before passing it off I think its still fair to credit
just my judgement call
itskhoi Oct 26, 2021 4:45 AM
aight, np
BowTae Oct 26, 2021 4:46 AM
was I supposed to include million's stuff in the pr too
itskhoi Oct 26, 2021 5:05 AM
it wasn't finished so no

but if we could confirm it also works for shime then we could add this interaction to the front page instead of just one vault entry for HoD
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Tibo Oct 26, 2021 7:00 AM
I'll try it later today
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Tibo Oct 26, 2021 11:03 AM
works for shimenawa as well
https://imgur.com/KHHgd7s
also works with crimson witch set https://imgur.com/IJW2aBQ
Tibo Oct 26, 2021 11:37 AM
(updated for other sets)

Finding/Bug: Kokomi can trigger 4-piece effects that trigger on casting elemental skill when getting interrupted during casting of E (while her E doesn't go on cooldown and not spawning Bake-Kurage)

Evidence:
4p Hearth of Depth
https://imgur.com/3cZWdQQ
Buffed NA1 is 1297, not buffed was 1120
Notice buff particles

4p Shimenawa's Reminiscence
https://imgur.com/KHHgd7s
243 n1 before buff/312 after buff
Notice buff particles and energy usage

4p Crimson Witch
https://imgur.com/IJW2aBQ
Increased pyro dmg% after casting E

Significance: More 4p artifact effect uptime/stacks that trigger from elemental skill cast at cost of getting interrupted and Bake-Kurage
does this need to be reopened/reclosed for re-verification?
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NZPIEFACE Oct 26, 2021 12:13 PM
do you want to do the PR again...
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BowTae Oct 26, 2021 3:45 PM
ya i'll update the pr when it's confirmed that this is good to go
itskhoi Oct 27, 2021 1:50 AM
verified for shime and cw, pr should be a go now
BowTae Oct 27, 2021 2:33 AM
i'll get to it when I have time later today
BowTae Oct 27, 2021 5:42 AM
pr up
BowTae Oct 27, 2021 5:58 AM
wait i forgot to make a new transcript
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