KQM | Genshin Impact - 2u-pyro-on-grass

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@Nass008 - 2U pyro on grass
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Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 4:02 AM

some 2U pyro attacks don't burn grass

thoma Q

bennett Q

yoimiya Q (credit to BowTae#0141)
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/851428030094114847/898417720964546561 (edited)

hutao Q and yanfei Q do ignite grass
I'll check other abilities later

maybe I shouldn't include thoma since my testing in #thoma-basic-mechanics isn't verified yet

CQLQRS Oct 15, 2021 4:11 AM

klee e ignites (edited)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iulXOvubb4A

meal Cook

Klee jumpy-dumpy last hit unit gauge test

We all know that if grass stacks 2U pyro it will burn and the first 2 jumps of jumpy-dumpy apply only 1A pyro unit, in this test, the third jump won't be stacked with any pyro unit of the previous jumps, and still burn the grass , so it is 2U. In conclusion, a full course of Klee's elemental skill apply 2A unit, not 2B like the lib claimed

last hit 2u

from Scavenger#6510

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 4:30 AM

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 4:35 AM

... ~~I swear haven't touch grass~~
mmm, at least we don't have any case that grass will burn with 1U pyro... so the test pyro gauge with task still stand
I have the same idea with deaf#0246 about the contact of grass in Bennett and polearm character case, just 1 exception is yoimiya ultimate because it is clear that the ult hit the grass straight into the surface ( Shouldn't this make yoimiya ult a little bit... strange itself??? need someone to invest on how her ult hitbox works in this case)
I will see what I can help with this ticket (edited)

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 6:54 AM

I mean bennett literally smash ground with flaming fist too

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 7:59 AM

ok, we will play slow and narrow down the scope, my first attempt is to find if bennet ult applies any pyro unit on grass or not ( like, maybe his ult applies 1GU on grass and 2 GU on mobs)?
This proves to be wrong, at be seen in this video

This can't be used to prove that bennet ult is 0GU (like if his ult applies 0.1U, or 0.001 U, who know) but I personally don't think that will be possible

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 8:03 AM

same thing can be seen in my thoma clip

I used thoma E (1U) before Q

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 8:06 AM

The only reason I can think of to explain this strange phenomenon, like what u said: "he smashes his fist into the ground but no pyro"
is the fact that his ult is a "field" skill - that won't affect what is below it(?)
Though this is so intuitive of mine, I take the second test that creates the "sun field??" consist of bennet ult and jean ult- but no grass was harmed in the progress

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 8:08 AM

Can u try it again, but this time 2 E or 2Q instead of E>Q?
We want to know the nature of his skill, and it is very likely that both skills don't even touch grass

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 8:09 AM

wdym 2E or 2Q

you don't mean 2 thoma E right

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 8:10 AM

Because grass can stack the pyro unit, so use hit skill once, wait for it to end the cd, then use E again

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 8:10 AM

lol

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 8:11 AM

doesn't gauge duration works same on grass?

if you wait for his E cooldown
it takes 15 seconds

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 8:12 AM

I haven't tried it yet, so... maybe?

lemme take a quick test

on klee charge atk on grass

lol/// grass unit reset huh...

rip... I haven't done thoma quest yet, so idk the detail

...and there isn't even exist sacrificial pole-arm...

NZPIEFACE Oct 15, 2021 8:19 AM

well we can test it with gamblers

... once he's out

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 8:20 AM

I'm not going to keep this ticket open for 3 weeks

point of this ticket is just to say grass is fucky and unreliable for gauge test

so current footage should be fine

NZPIEFACE Oct 15, 2021 8:23 AM

lmao

Scavenger Oct 15, 2021 8:23 AM

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 8:24 AM

someone else can figure out why exactly this is happening

NZPIEFACE Oct 15, 2021 8:26 AM

uh

we can prolly look at the datamined stuff to find some clues

Nass008 Oct 15, 2021 2:37 PM

Finding: not all 2U pyro attack ignite grass
we already know applying 2U pyro on grass can light them on fire with single hit
but for unknown reason some 2U pyro attacks do not apply pyro on grass

Evidence:
Bennett Q https://imgur.com/Aym0APh
Thoma Q initial hit https://imgur.com/6fskHIx (tested as 2U in #thoma-basic-mechanics, not verified yet as of <t:1634308618>)
Yoimiya Q initial hit https://imgur.com/sPySW8G (Credit to BowTae#0141) (edited)

Significance:
Applying pyro on grass is unreliable method for testing elemental gauge since not all attacks apply element to environment

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Aluminum Oct 15, 2021 3:02 PM

I dont think the significance above is the correct conclusion to draw. The only time a 2u skill does not light grass is if it does not affect it at all.

You simply need to remember to test whether an ability affects grass as a part of any grass test.

Other than that i can verify this ticket.

elijam Oct 15, 2021 4:45 PM

verified in game for bennett + off video for thoma and yoi

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