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@Goden - boat buffing mechanics
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Goden Oct 26, 2021 4:43 PM
huh why is the name not proper
whatever
CQLQRS Oct 26, 2021 4:44 PM
rename it
Goden Oct 26, 2021 4:44 PM
uh
how
CQLQRS Oct 26, 2021 4:44 PM
use $rename <name of ticket> without the #
Goden Oct 26, 2021 4:44 PM
o thanks
Theory/Finding/Bug: Testing the various buffs that can be applied to characters on the waverider, and seeing what applies

Evidence: Tested with Bennett's ATK buff, Rosaria's C6 phys shred, Lisa's DEF shred (from A4), images all below (plan to redo bennett/rosaria as I want them separately tested for clarity, but I'm confident on the results)

Significance: shows that the boat is lame and the damage that it does is fixed, based on something outside of the scope of this ticket (edited)
Unbuffed, the boat (for me, I'm not sure if this is different based on something but I can test on a friend's account and edit in a bit) the boat does 2203 DMG, shown here:
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Using Rosaria's ult to make a long duration ice bridge and then walking onto it and placing Bennett's Q effectively in the water, I drove the boat onto it and tested if the damage would be different while the boat was in Bennett's Q (I do own C1, so the boat health is insignificant here):
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In that same photo Rosaria's C6 was also affecting the slimes so this simultaneously tested phys shred, however I'll take a separate screenshot later if needed of each buff independently
Neither affected the damage, the boat still is doing 2203 damage.
Lastly, to test DEF shred, Lisa's Q (with A4 active) was used against the slimes, and then damage was tested again. This time, the DMG increased to 2381, showing DEF shred does have an effect on the boat DMG, as it should based on how DEF shred is universal (I believe?):
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someone tell me if the screenshots need to be clearer i did this as a joke a few days ago so theyre kind of haphazard, but i think its neat info so here we are making a ticket
Nass008 Oct 26, 2021 4:51 PM
Imgur
Goden Oct 26, 2021 4:51 PM
gotcha
Nass008 Oct 26, 2021 4:51 PM
Goden Oct 26, 2021 4:52 PM
are the images themselves okay? or retake with the numbers more visible instead of kind of covered like with lisa's
Nass008 Oct 26, 2021 4:52 PM
can you record video
Goden Oct 26, 2021 4:52 PM
yeah I can
vid + imgs?
for each
Nass008 Oct 26, 2021 4:53 PM
well if img makes it easier to understand
then include it
since this is about buff
you should include your stats screen in recording
Goden Oct 26, 2021 4:54 PM
sure that makes sense
im not one for video editing so I don't imagine I can string all three tests (rosaria, bennett, lisa) into one video myself but i can give it a shot before just sending three videos
if anyone also has a buff im not thinking of thats reasonable to test feel free to lmk and i can do that too btw
well this is problematic i misclicked and slaughtered all of my slimes with an early bennett q
the testing continues once they respawn tomorrow i suppose
Goden Oct 26, 2021 5:57 PM
alright figured id work with what I could today so that I could at least get something done, I did my best to learn extremely basic premiere pro and threw together the unbuffed + def shred test video, if anything's wrong with it lmk
https://youtu.be/LXr0si5Dhc0
Goden
Boat Buffs - Unbuffed + DEF Shred Test
tl;dr DEF shred works with the boat's DMG, as it should
Lisa stats shown at the start, her A4 provides 15% DEF shred for 10s.
reserved msg spot for phys shred vid, coming tommorow (edited)
Goden Oct 26, 2021 9:08 PM
got a friend's account for the ATK test, no rosa c6 though so that one actually comes tomorrow
https://youtu.be/3CVkCwtMdcc
Goden
Boat Buffs - ATK Buff Test
tl;dr boat unaffected by ATK buffs

link to video where unbuffed is showcased: https://youtu.be/LXr0si5Dhc0
Goden Oct 26, 2021 9:28 PM
DRAFT

Finding: The Waverider is unaffected by any buffs that directly affect it, such as ATK buffs, movement speed, and stamina reduction. In comparison, buffs that affect enemies and not the Waverider itself, such as phys shred, DEF shred, and Mona's Omen do work.

Evidence:

Buffs to the Waverider:
Unbuffed: NA = 2203 DMG / E = 4407 DMG
With ATK buff active: NA = 2203 / E = 4407 Source - Bennett Burst (C1 Active)
Movement Speed: Unaffected Source - Anemo Resonance
Stamina Reduction: Unaffected Source - Barbara A2

Enemy Debuffs:
With phys shred applied: NA = 2570 / E = 5141 Source - Rosaria Burst (C6 Active)
With DEF shred applied: NA = 2381 / E = 4762 Source - Lisa A4
Mona's Omen applied: NA = 3525 / E = 7051 Source - Mona Omen, Talent Lv. 10

Media:
Unbuffed + DEF shred clip/images: https://youtu.be/LXr0si5Dhc0 + https://imgur.com/a/3fynwFD
ATK buff clip/images: https://youtu.be/3CVkCwtMdcc + https://imgur.com/a/StIOKhx
Phys shred clip/images: https://youtu.be/VZTHG3k7Paw + https://imgur.com/a/IA3UjSu
Mona omen clip/images: https://youtu.be/MIIDYot_XL0 + https://imgur.com/a/yBXSkEQ
Movement speed + stamina reduction testing: https://youtu.be/y6QyiRNNaEg

Significance:
Shows the Waverider doesn't function like characters do, and cannot be buffed by any direct stat buffs to the Waverider.
The Waverider however does benefit from debuffs to enemies, as they don't affect the Waverider itself.

Extra:
Not related to buffs directly, but Waverider-TC related so I'll throw it here:
-Shields persist through entering/exiting the Waverider: https://imgur.com/a/PYUdZTx
-The Waverider's attacks are strong enough to cause the shatter reaction (the smaller number is the shatter): https://youtu.be/jfyW8_ZpQpA
--Shatter follow up test: The Waverider deals less damage to rocks than claymores, but more than swords. It is likely it is just specifically coded to shatter: https://imgur.com/a/HFP5PDF (edited)
Dooners Oct 26, 2021 10:06 PM
are you gonna explore other buffs like movement speed, stamina reduction, etc?
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Goden Oct 26, 2021 10:13 PM
do you know any sources that aren't limited to a tiny circle or food? I'm positive food won't affect it but I'm blanking outside of chongyun c2 for stamina
oh i can do anemo res for movement speed i guess so that solves that one
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Dooners Oct 26, 2021 10:20 PM
diona A4 has both movement speed and stam reduction on shield
and yea anemo res
Goden Oct 26, 2021 10:20 PM
that could be a little difficult
i suppose a fun thing to test actually is do shields persist in boat
obviously they wont affect the boat itself but stay after you leave it
Dooners Oct 26, 2021 10:20 PM
iirc they do stay, but it would be good to have evidence
Goden Oct 26, 2021 10:21 PM
suppose i can record a short gif of that one
for the stamina one though i have no clue how to add a timer to recordings so this should be a joy to figure out
Dooners Oct 26, 2021 10:22 PM
Goden Oct 26, 2021 10:22 PM
this ticket is really just a cover up for me to learn how to use premiere pro at this point
Goden Oct 26, 2021 10:30 PM
this is the shittiest gif quality imaginable but the proof is visible enough, where do i add this to the ticket though considering its kind of unrelated lol https://imgur.com/a/PYUdZTx

edit: just tacked it onto the end of the wip draft this is a problem for later me to figure out (edited)
Shield Persistance
Goden Oct 26, 2021 10:43 PM
just discovered that the roof of the boat acts like a incredibly weird trampoline thing
completely useless information (it does not shoot you up) but humorous nonetheless
actually useful other tidbit however is that the boat's exit velocity perseveres even through other vertically moving abilities, example being exit boat > immediately kazuha e > you'll still go up a little past kazuha's e after as the boat's exit momentum duration hasn't ended
ill add evidence to that later alongside the shield thing i guess
god i fucking love boats
Goden Oct 26, 2021 11:44 PM
fun fact if anyone else wants to add this to the tcl with actual testing, the area entry text for when you go into a new area is NOT consistent (edited)
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the second one appears 15 frames later
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Goden Oct 27, 2021 12:50 AM
this took over an hour as i am NOT an experienced editor but i think this is satisfactory i tried my best
https://youtu.be/y6QyiRNNaEg
Goden
Boat Buffs - Movement SPD + Stamina Reduction
tl;dr the boat is affected by neither and is still lame

:(
the boat continues to be fucking lame
if you/anyone have any other stats that are reasonable to test lmk, otherwise ill do phys shred tmrw and then close ticket once that's done and draft is complete (edited)
Goden Oct 27, 2021 12:52 PM
incredible, im actually wrong and the boat is slightly less lame, phys shred works
NZPIEFACE Oct 27, 2021 12:53 PM
wait like
which source of phys shred
Goden Oct 27, 2021 12:54 PM
rosaria c6
it makes sense
my hypothesis at this point is any buff directly to the boat doesnt work, debuffs on enemies do work as the enemy is being affected and not the boat itself
ill get the clip + screenshots together and then this ticket is done i think
another interesting tidbit that i can add is i think? the boat can proc shatter
it was double hitting on frozen cryo slimes and i cant think of any other reason why that might be
Goden Oct 27, 2021 1:21 PM
alrighty i think thats all i had to test, i feel very certain in saying the boat cant be buffed directly but does benefit from debuffs on enemies
if anyone has anything else they think i missed or other issues just reopen, i think thats how this works

draft here: https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/902597789102518323/902670127735111691
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elijam Oct 27, 2021 2:49 PM
what level is the boat and what EM does it have
I hate this ticket
!rm 4h calc the boat’s level
Carl-bot BOT Oct 27, 2021 2:50 PM
Alright elijam, I'll remind you about calc the boat’s level in 4 hours. ID: 29073400
elijam Oct 27, 2021 2:54 PM
nvm it’s apparently lvl90 but I’ll check the shatter thing and the boat’s… EM… I guess
elijam Oct 27, 2021 6:36 PM
k!calc 1446.9 * 1.5 * 1.05
Keqing BOT Oct 27, 2021 6:36 PM
elijam#7142
Did I do it right?
Input:
1446.9 * 1.5 * 1.05
Output:
2278.8675000000003
elijam Oct 27, 2021 6:36 PM
so
the boat follows a different transformative reaction formula than characters
that's it I'm not investigating that anymore
thanks
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Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:44 PM
my home
⛵
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:45 PM
Can the boat crit btw?
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:45 PM
no
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:45 PM
If you have like, Mona C4 debuff
well I guess we have to check if Mona works in general
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:45 PM
i dont think i know anyone with a c4 mona in NA lmao
a good few c2s but
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:45 PM
yeah, should check C0 Omen first
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:45 PM
however i dont think it matters, it's a party member buff
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
C4?
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
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Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
yeah
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
"their"
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
it's uh
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
so it applies to the character
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
apparently just bad translation
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
kinda
wtf
hmm
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
it changes the omen buff to 60% DMG and 15% CR
supposedly
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
interesting
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:46 PM
from what I asked around about it
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:47 PM
if you can think of any other source that buffs cr on enemies i can give that a shot but until then i cant test that one myself unfortunately
only c0
Charliex3000 Oct 27, 2021 6:47 PM
yeah I can't think of any others
just test the DMG% first I guess
maybe next year when we have more Mona C4 owners
Goden Oct 27, 2021 6:48 PM
the only mona c6 i know is asia
and busy
the overall conclusion of this ticket is going to be something like if you run mona c4, rosaria c6, and ayaka c4, the boat can hit far higher :D (edited)
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itskhoi Oct 27, 2021 11:37 PM
Goden Oct 27, 2021 11:40 PM
oh hey thanks for the reminder
for the boat tc continues because omen
WORKS
NZPIEFACE Oct 27, 2021 11:42 PM
what-
Goden Oct 27, 2021 11:42 PM
lets fucking go
ill get the clip edited and uploaded in just a bit
but omen is easily the biggest damage buff the boat can recieve
makes me wonder just how high you can push the boat damage but i am not going to continue bothering a friend over that one lol
Goden Oct 27, 2021 11:58 PM
added the mona omen stuff, god i love being a boater https://youtu.be/MIIDYot_XL0
Goden
mona omen test
tl;dr affected by omen
as shown in vid, the mona's burst is talent level 10

small shoutout to bacon for owning hat queen
cant believe it actually works lol but it makes complete sense, this just further confirms my hypothesis and i cant think of any way to disprove it
boat stats static, cant be adjusted via buffs to boat
static stats of boat (or probably any other similar object--maybe the inazuma giant cannons? lmao) do get affected by enemy debuffs as they affect the enemy and not the static object
i realize now that the results of this ticket actually can expand much further outside of just boats and probably apply to anything else that can damage things but isnt a character, npc, or enemy but instead an "object"
interesting
the temptation to expand the scope of this meager ticket grows
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:07 AM
That can be an entirely new ticket probably
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:07 AM
im bored and testing it now for the fun of it but the test is a little suicidal to say the least
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mfw
regardless im not too sure how much further the boat itself with help that cause, so on the topic of just the boat itself im not too sure whats left to test, im very confident in how i think it works
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:08 AM
What is that
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:08 AM
the inazuma electro cannon
with zhongli's pillar in front of it so it immediately backfires onto you while shooting
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:09 AM
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:09 AM
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fun fact it does an absurd amount of damage for no real reason
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:09 AM
That's a pretty good coop grief strat
That itself can be a new ticket
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:10 AM
it is so strong that it breaks my 51k hp zhongli's lv9 shield in one hit and then some extra
good game design imo
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:10 AM
I think if the boat stuff is done you can gather all the evidence and do the writeup
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:10 AM
any format?
i have the draft i was using pinned
it has all the information compiled as is but if it needs altered i can
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:11 AM
Theory:

Evidence:

Significance:
And make sure you use imgur or YouTube links for videos
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:11 AM
check pins
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:12 AM
O yea that looks good lmao just repost it or link it then close
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:12 AM
o ok
uhh @elijam apologies for ping but figured if you end up verifying again i can clear up any extra questions here before closing this time?
so if theres anything lmk otherwise ill close this a bit later
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Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:14 AM
am i allowed to have multiple tickets open at once btw because i can throw this together very quickly too
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:14 AM
Yes
They just get nuked if inactive for a while
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:15 AM
ah alright
its a quick ticket to make so ill just open and do it later tonight
Dooners Oct 28, 2021 12:15 AM
Looking forward to your work
Goden Oct 28, 2021 12:15 AM
only of the utmost importance 👍
real quick also threw together a video of the boat being able to shatter without having em for some reason, added to the bottom of the write up
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elijam Oct 28, 2021 12:27 AM
sure, I’ll look through it in a bit
Goden Oct 28, 2021 6:02 AM
i did a good bit of thinking on this and the final mystery that remains is how the boat can shatter
my hypothesis was that perhaps it just treats the boat's attacks as if they were claymore attacks, so i tested that on rocks to see how much damage they did versus a claymore user (edited)
surprisingly its a unique damage amount on the rock, less than claymore but more than sword, however as its more than sword i imagine its just specifically coded to shatter or deal "strong hits" or whatever
its really insignificant so i dont care to pursue it much further as it wont affect the ticket much, but ill provide proof in the extras section regarding it via two short imgur clips i suppose
and with that I think i've covered everything I can in the scope of this ticket, namely because I've hit the 2000 character limit on the draft lol (some of which can obviously be trimmed as an editor sees fit for the TCL)
think the boat tc can wrap up, expect a follow up ticket sometime on if the boat's damage interactions are just unique to it or if other objects that deal damage work similarly
draft pinned, or here: https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/902597789102518323/902670127735111691
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elijam Oct 28, 2021 6:21 AM
okay shatter thing aside bc that is not how shatter works, verified
now how does shatter work with the boat? no fucking clue
it shatters
it does not use the character formula
that's all I got
NZPIEFACE Oct 28, 2021 6:25 AM
elijam Oct 28, 2021 8:32 AM
right it doesn’t use the enemy formula either
I guess we can just
say it can shatter?
and then the exact boat damage formula details can remain a mystery
NZPIEFACE Oct 28, 2021 8:34 AM
we need more data points
elijam Oct 28, 2021 8:37 AM
you know what that sounds like?
not my problem
but if you want to TC boat shatter knock yourself out
CQLQRS Oct 29, 2021 9:34 AM
rlly wish i never verified this
verified
jstern25 Oct 29, 2021 2:20 PM
Verified
On mobile
Can't move it
CQLQRS Oct 29, 2021 2:20 PM
oh
(edited)
elijam Oct 29, 2021 2:24 PM
I can
apparently
what else was I supposed to do
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elijam Oct 29, 2021 2:25 PM
nope
@jstern25 you can do that on mobile
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