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@BowTae - childe stance change shenanigans
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Significance: Conclusion
BowTae Jan 21, 2022 9:10 PM
Just a note, this is different from #childe-ranged-to-melee-na-combo even if it might look similar at first glance. The inputs are different.

Finding:
By pressing Skill (E) and either Attack or Burst (Q) on the same frame while moving, you can do some weird things.
In other words, hold W, then press EQ, or E and LMB, at the same exact time.
(edited)
Evidence:
Skill and Attack on the Same Frame (I will call this [EN1] for now)
1. Starting in Ranged Stance, [EN1] puts Childe in Melee Stance while performing a ranged N1 (rN1)
* In most cases, Childe will start the rN1, and then suddenly stop before the arrow can come out: https://youtu.be/GJEcmFXpu5k
* With a frame-perfect Attack input (press and release Attack in 1 frame), Childe can finish the rN1: https://youtu.be/Ly7gjnvqAWo
* Childe will do Melee Attacks after rN1, notably skipping mN1 and going straight into mN2.
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[ErN0]
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[ErN1] into melee attacks
2. Starting in Melee Stance, [EN1] puts Childe in Ranged Stance while performing a melee N1 (mN1)
* Childe will do Ranged Normal Attacks after mN1, notably skipping rN1 and going straight into rN2: https://youtu.be/0P6YqW7q-4c
* Holding Attack for longer doesn't let him do mN1C, he simply does nothing after the mN1.
* Childe can also cancel the mN1 with Aim mode, allowing him to do mN1-ARCC (useless but cool): https://youtu.be/wVWK7DdlaSs
* The mN1 does not trigger Riptide Slash, even though it is a melee attack. This likely indicates that melee attacks cannot trigger Riptide Slash while in Ranged Stance: https://youtu.be/5CXPj0nINAU
* Using this tech, Childe is able to perform a legitimate Dragonstrike (using ranged Plunge), no longer needing to rely on footstool: https://youtu.be/y25mfT2FLFc
* It is possible to do this tech on mN2 and higher using a walk extension: https://youtu.be/zqrRInaUuy8
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BowTae2
[EmN1] rN2
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[EmN1] ARCC
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[EmN1] No Riptide Slash
BowTae
Childe Dragonstrike
Legit dragonstrike without using footstool/collision hitboxes. I jump away from the Ruin Guard to show that it's not a footstool.
Not useful at all, but cool to see this is actually possible.

Inputs:
1. Press E to enter melee stance, then wait for cooldown to end.
2. While moving, press E and Attack on the same frame. This causes Childe to ente...
BowTae2
mN1, hold W [EmN2], rN3 to rN6
1. Enter melee stance
2. do mN1, hold W
4. Press and very briefly hold Attack, and then release Attack and press Skill ON THE SAME FRAME. Must be done quickly, or else mN2 does not come out
5. press Attack to do bow normal attacks
Skill and Burst on the Same Frame (I will call this [EQ] for now)
1. Starting in Ranged Stance, [EQ] puts Childe in Melee Stance while casting Ranged Burst: https://youtu.be/wwCpati1azQ
* The burst camera angle is messed up.
* C6 does NOT trigger upon returning to ranged stance: https://youtu.be/rPKLcXQN7Oc - Mystathi#9705
* Doing this with 4pc Shimenawa's allows Childe to activate the 4pc effect while avoiding the energy tax: https://youtu.be/3fHjMaCtjz0
2. Starting in Melee Stance, [EQ] puts Childe in Ranged Stance while casting Melee Burst: https://youtu.be/Qgcjw5w1e2E
* The burst camera angle is messed up.
* C6 does NOT trigger on the inital return to ranged stance: https://youtu.be/_NR07r1MZT0 - Mystathi#9705
* However, the next time that Childe uses skill and then returns to ranged, C6 DOES trigger: https://youtu.be/7rY5yFc3LLQ - Mystathi#9705
* Doing this with 4pc Shimenawa's allows Childe to activate the 4pc effect while avoiding the energy tax: https://youtu.be/lAM1Z2QLilE - credit yolitme0#0579
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BowTae2
[ErQ]
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[ErQ] C6 - doesn't reset skill cooldown
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[ErQ] 4pc Shime Tax Evasion
BowTae2
[EmQ]
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Mystathi#9705 [EmQ] C6 - doesn't reset first skill cooldown
BowTae Jan 21, 2022 9:25 PM
Significance:
[EN1] is mostly fluff right now.
[ErQ] can potentially improve 4pc Shime Childe usability. Let's you tax evade with Ranged Burst which also refunds Energy, puts you into melee stance, and doesn't rely on high ping.
[EmQ] activates C6 on second skill rotation, which can allow for new potential setups
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BowTae Jan 21, 2022 9:42 PM
@Mystathi were you able to test with C6 yet? no worries if you don't have time right now
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Mystathi Jan 21, 2022 9:43 PM
No I was not yet, should be able to some time today
NZPIEFACE Jan 21, 2022 11:10 PM
@BowTae does mQ to ranged autos also evade tax?
oh its on your todo llist
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yolitme0 Jan 22, 2022 3:05 AM
I tested it and it seems to evade tax while still giving the buff, I'll try to get a video of it
Hihihihihihi Ho
Childe mQ to ranged N
the first few ranged normals are 61, then I wait like 20s after melee E so that shimenawas has time to reset
the ranged normals after ranged E + mQ do 90 instead (except for the crits, why did I get so many) (edited)
Latiwings Jan 22, 2022 8:48 AM
I'm curious, I thought I saw that you were gonna test if ErQ can proc Polar 4 stacks? Did it?
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BowTae Jan 22, 2022 4:01 PM
gonna be busy this week (won't be home at all), so I was just not gonna try it anymore, but if I find time before I close this, I might attempt the setup, even though I don't actually have polar star
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Latiwings Jan 22, 2022 4:44 PM
I forgot you don't have Polar Good luck with your work 💕
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BowTae Jan 22, 2022 5:04 PM
this should be 4 stack polar from range
range N1, range CA, Riptide Slash (using the phys CA E tech to apply riptide), range Burst
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Latiwings Jan 22, 2022 5:23 PM
I'm also a fool though, I was somehow thinking if this tech could allow us to proc Childe's burst with 4 stacks but now that I think about it, I don't think that's possible
Still, thank you for trying it out, I really appreciate the extra effort (edited)
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Mystathi Jan 22, 2022 7:50 PM
If you need confirmation of anything with polar, MCT has it
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NZPIEFACE Jan 22, 2022 8:54 PM
cenpi being forced to learn new tech
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Latiwings Jan 22, 2022 9:50 PM
I'm still struggling to catch up on all the info about this tech but if I got everything right, there is no way we can get a 4 stack Childe burst right? Because the only cd weirdness that's happening it's on his E, and his ult cooldown on its own would prevent a second rotation 4 stack burst? Just double checking because I'm not very smart
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NZPIEFACE Jan 22, 2022 9:53 PM
remember the ranged CA and then swap to melee before it hits thing?
actually wait how long does polar star buff last for
Latiwings Jan 22, 2022 9:54 PM
6s
wait sorry
12s
I'm sorry Polar I did you dirty again
12s per stack
NZPIEFACE Jan 22, 2022 9:56 PM
yeah im not seeing 4stack polar burst, but it does mean your melee sequence has 12s of 4stacks
Latiwings Jan 22, 2022 9:59 PM
ah...then that's no improvement over just the usual polar opening then
Thank you though, sad that we won't be seeing a 4 stack burst anytime soon
BowTae Jan 23, 2022 12:44 AM
yeah there's no reason to do this unless you realllly need to save that 0.1 second on your opener
NZPIEFACE Jan 23, 2022 1:40 AM
why do you think i said cenpi is being forced to learn new tech
BowTae Jan 27, 2022 5:24 AM
closing in 24 hours
BowTae Jan 28, 2022 2:36 AM
rough pr format
Elemental Skill and Attack or Burst on the Same Frame 

**By:** BowTae\#0141  
**Added:**  
[Discussion]()  

**Finding:**  
By pressing Skill \(E\) and either Attack or Burst \(Q\) on the same frame while moving, you can do some weird things.
In other words, hold W, then press EQ, or E and LMB, at the same exact time. 
(edited)
**Evidence:**  
Skill and Attack on the Same Frame \(I will call this \[EN1\]\): 
1. Starting in Ranged Stance, [EN1] puts Childe in Melee Stance while performing a ranged N1 \(rN1\).
  * In most cases, Childe will start the rN1, and then suddenly stop before the arrow can come out: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/GJEcmFXpu5k)
  * With a frame-perfect Attack input \(press and release Attack in 1 frame\), Childe can finish the rN1: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/Ly7gjnvqAWo)
    * Childe will do Melee Attacks after rN1, notably skipping mN1 and going straight into mN2.

2. Starting in Melee Stance, \[EN1\] puts Childe in Ranged Stance while performing a melee N1 \(mN1\).
  * Childe will do Ranged Normal Attacks after mN1, notably skipping rN1 and going straight into rN2: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/0P6YqW7q-4c)
    * Holding Attack for longer doesn't let him do mN1C, he simply does nothing after the mN1.
  * Childe can also cancel the mN1 with Aim mode, allowing him to do mN1-ARCC \(useless but cool\): [YouTube](https://youtu.be/wVWK7DdlaSs)
  * The mN1 does not trigger Riptide Slash, even though it is a melee attack. This likely indicates that melee attacks cannot trigger Riptide Slash while in Ranged Stance: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/5CXPj0nINAU)
  * Using this tech, Childe is able to perform a legitimate Dragonstrike \(using ranged Plunge\), no longer needing to rely on footstool: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/y25mfT2FLFc)
  * It is possible to do this tech on mN2 and higher using a walk extension: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/zqrRInaUuy8)
Skill and Burst on the Same Frame \(I will call this \[EQ\]\):
1. Starting in Ranged Stance, \[EQ\] puts Childe in Melee Stance while casting Ranged Burst: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/wwCpati1azQ)
  * The burst camera angle is messed up.
  * C6 does NOT trigger upon returning to ranged stance: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/rPKLcXQN7Oc) - Mystathi\#9705
  * Doing this with 4pc Shimenawa's allows Childe to activate the 4pc effect while avoiding the energy tax: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/3fHjMaCtjz0)
2. Starting in Melee Stance, \[EQ\] puts Childe in Ranged Stance while casting Melee Burst: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/Qgcjw5w1e2E)
  * The burst camera angle is messed up.
  * C6 does NOT trigger on the inital return to ranged stance: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/_NR07r1MZT0) - Mystathi\#9705
  * However, the next time that Childe uses skill and then returns to ranged, C6 DOES trigger: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/7rY5yFc3LLQ) - Mystathi\#9705
  * Doing this with 4pc Shimenawa's allows Childe to activate the 4pc effect while avoiding the energy tax: [YouTube](https://youtu.be/lAM1Z2QLilE) - yolitme0\#0579 
**Significance:**  
* \[EN1\] is mostly fluff right now, can enable some cool looking attack strings.
* \[ErQ\] can potentially improve 4pc Shime Childe usability. Let's you tax evade with Ranged Burst which also refunds Energy, puts you into melee stance, and doesn't rely on high ping.
* \[EmQ\] activates C6 on second skill rotation, which can allow for new potential setups.
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BowTae Jan 28, 2022 2:36 AM
writeup here
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Longing Jan 28, 2022 2:50 AM
see this is the pr god
NZPIEFACE Jan 28, 2022 3:17 AM
the PR for this will be pretty easy
pai Jan 28, 2022 5:15 AM
"rough" pr format says bowtae while writing it with all the details
Artesians Jan 29, 2022 12:12 AM
Verified. Thanks for the writeup BowTae. Detailed as always.
Longing Jan 29, 2022 12:34 AM
arte active
CrazyWeke123 Jan 29, 2022 4:59 AM
verified ingame
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