KQM | Genshin Impact - mc-elemental-proc-diff

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Theory/Finding/Bug: Title of your submission

Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or Youtube/Imgur proofs

Significance: Conclusion

Rathalos Mar 13, 2022 1:17 PM

Theory: The elemental proc (Slitting Wind, AMC; Frenzied Rockslide, GMC) from the last string of the Traveler's basic attack behaves differently between Aether and Lumine. Specifically, Lumine's elemental proc happens some time after the last frame of her n5 attack string, while Aether's elemental proc happens before his n5 attack string occurs.

The possible explanations for this is that the elemental proc occurs during a specific frame that is shared between both twins, and it just so happens to occur after Lumine's n5 but before Aether's n5.

Lumine's entire n5 sequence takes ~148 frames while Aether's n5 sequence takes ~163, so it is definitely a possibility. However, my device doesn't allow me to framecount very well so I'll leave it as a possible explanation. (edited)

Evidence:

Anemo:
Aether: https://imgur.com/uh7Oov6
Lumine: https://imgur.com/FWYE82c

Aether GIGACHADDING

Lumine no ElProc

Geo:

Aether: https://imgur.com/NdQKFLA
https://imgur.com/2MuxlIX
Lumine: https://imgur.com/IKRNdps

(edited)

DC Test

Lumine no ElProc 2

Lumine's N5 Combo which shows that the elemental proc is delayed from the dmg number

https://imgur.com/7yVrQVW

Aether's N5 Combo which shows the elemental number almost the same time as the white number, but on some occasions the elemental number appears before the white number. Another clip showcases a hilichurl being killed by the anemo dmg number before the 5th hit.

https://imgur.com/02215GA
https://imgur.com/guq8g4f

(edited)

Aether n5 Combo

Anemo Dmg kill

Significance: This means that it is possible for Aether to hit the elemental proc without/before connecting his fifth attack, while it is possible for Lumine to miss her elemental proc if she cancels her n5 too fast.

Another possible significance is that this might be a clue to how the Travelers are coded. They might share the same timings for other similar things that manifest at different moments just because of animation difference. As of writing this, no other application comes to mind. (edited)

pai Mar 13, 2022 2:19 PM

what fps do you play/record at? might need a macro to make sure that aether's animation isn't just being jump cancelled too late

what happens if you dash cancel?

Rathalos Mar 13, 2022 2:25 PM

60 fps

same thing

im not that good at dash cancelling it but yeah, same thing

https://imgur.com/2MuxlIX

DC Test

numbers appear delayed because ping

Rathalos Mar 13, 2022 2:36 PM

i mean you can see that the n5 doesn't connect at all in some cases

not in my dash cancel demo tho

and the geo number appears before the phys number

that said, lumine's case is much more obvious where it just doesn't have an elemental proc if you cancel too soon

pai Mar 13, 2022 3:30 PM

haven't gotten around to aether's na yet but i can confirm that lumine's elemental attack happens 9 frames after her n5 on average

~~it will take a while to re-do all of traveler's frame counts but that'll be a separate ticket~~

Rathalos Mar 13, 2022 3:33 PM

More demos

Lumine's N5 Combo which shows that the elemental proc is delayed from the dmg number

https://imgur.com/7yVrQVW

Lumine N5 Demo

Aether's N5 Combo which shows the elemental number almost the same time as the white number, but on some occasions the elemental number appears before the white number

https://imgur.com/02215GA

Aether n5 Combo

Instance where the anemo dmg killed the hilichurl before the 5th NA

https://imgur.com/guq8g4f

Anemo Dmg kill

do i need more demos?

pai Mar 13, 2022 3:42 PM

if this is just about lumine's elemental attack being later than aether's, without a specific amount of frames, then no, that's enough. but videos are probably better than gifs for this kind of stuff

Rathalos Mar 13, 2022 3:44 PM

can't record above 30 fps

pai Mar 13, 2022 3:45 PM

nvm betterdiscord is just lying to me, they are videos already

Rathalos Mar 13, 2022 3:46 PM

hardstuck 29 fps recording btw

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pai Mar 20, 2022 7:32 PM

@Rathalos if you want to use any of the videos you sent directly, please upload them to youtube/imgur. otherwise you can just close this ticket since the initial videos already prove the point

Rathalos Mar 20, 2022 9:29 PM

All the gifs/videos I sent over are uploaded on imgur already, but I'll rewrite the original message to include those to make it more complete

Rathalos Mar 20, 2022 9:37 PM

I added all the relevant clips to the original message, anything after Significance is just a repeat of what's already mentioned in the Evidence section.

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