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zhongli-basic-mechanics

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We're like, 2 years late

@✮✷｡ 𝒻𝓇𝑜𝓃𝒸𝒽 𝒻𝓇𝒾𝑒 ｡✷✮ Get your ass in here

Lemme steal some basic mechanics stuff

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i’ll hand in icd soon tm

gotta upload to youtube first

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Todo/To fill

NA String
- N5 is a projectile and not affected by hitlag (Need evidence)

Elemental Skill
- Particle generation, chances and CD
- C1 mechanics (particle generation CD? ICD? etc) [ Kinda ☑️ also kinda WIP]
- Range evidence
- ~~Does Fortify get procced by aura check?~~

- Does Fortify get procced by self-overload etc etc
- How much gauge does Hold E removes? 6U or 8U?

Burst
- Range in Abyss Tiles
~~- Burst ICD is shared with pillar? Need testing~~

Constellations
- C1 (desync pillar pulses gif)
- C4 - 20% AOE clarification (need our own recorded evidence)
- C6 Healing (need itneraction with vishap, if they hit you with no burst will it proc the heal? ~~logically no but we're adding this I don't care~~)
- Does C6 healing get procced by aura check, self overload, self damage etc

Extra Notes

Give us like a few days and we probably have some weird ass unanswered questions from making the guide
Edit: It didn't take a few days it took like a few minutes

We'll need to find someone with C6 Zhongli

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we can ask in ZLM

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I'll try to think of more unanswered questions tbh like

Did you know my first ticket here was Zhongli shield swap and refresh mechanic

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cursed question

how does c4 work

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The answer is yes btw

✮✷｡ 𝒻𝓇𝑜𝓃𝒸𝒽 𝒻𝓇𝒾𝑒 ｡✷✮Tue, April 12, 2022 at 07:03 AM

more specifically

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what is “20% aoe”?

is it 20% larger radius?

or 20% area

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oh my god

adding that in

brb

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btw

maybe we should test if c6 has icd?

for healing

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nzpiefaceTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:05 AM

1.1 moments

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hi nz

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I actually have a hunch that C6 healing has no ICD

Because I am thinking it's tied to the same mechanic as his fortify

and that thing doesn't have ICD

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we can find out once we find someone who has c6

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HI NZ

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nzpiefaceTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:06 AM

inb4 sara heals

and aura checks heal

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NZ came in to bring cursed things

that reminds me

nzpiefaceTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:06 AM

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NZ, do you remember the Bennett buff whiff

nzpiefaceTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:06 AM

what happens if you have c6, use 4pc ohc, and get sara to trigger fortify

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nzpiefaceTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:06 AM

yeah

im never forgetting that shit

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oh yea c6 + clam is something we should test too, see if there’s any weird stuff going on

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nzpieface: im never forgetting that shit

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I found this in 2.6 patch note

2. Fixes an issue whereby under certain circumstances, when triggering some Weapon or Artifact effects while sprinting, there is a probability that their effects will not apply normally.

And lemme just add everything else into the first post

the list is already getting very cursed

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nzpiefaceTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:10 AM

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Who's gonna tell Cenpi

Imagine

"There's a chance it's your sprinting who broke the game"

Also wait NZ do you have the ability for pins

or if anyone who has it, please help pin this
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/963331426504278026/963331867535355954

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mfw trying to upload to youtube but your browser crashes

Finding:
Zhongli's (C1+) pillars share ICD

Evidence: https://youtu.be/PJ9PBEpEvrM

zhongli c1 icd

if we assume the pillars are independent icd, then right after diano casts tap E, her 0.8U of cryo should have been removed by 2 x 1U geo application, which each consumes 0.5U of cryo

right pillar pulsed 4 times before diano and left pillar pulsed 2 times before diano

by zhongli's 3 hit / 2.5s icd (in tcl), and the fact that his pillars pulse once every ~2s

both pillars should have had 2.5s icd reset when diano casted tap E

however it can be seen that the first two pulses didn't fully remove cryo

and it took the 4th pulse after diano E to remove cryo

which suggests icd is shared

Finding:
Resonance ICD is shared

Evidence: https://youtu.be/UOKUs-NrP4M

zhongli resonance icd

tbh this one might have been discovered before

just in case

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Me, dutifully adding everything to the first post while contributing nothing yet

traviscrtTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:45 AM

@Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ Geos upload your vid on YouTube and submit it here as evidence that resonance from construct (without direct resonance from pillar) can still generate particles

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✮✷｡ 𝒻𝓇𝑜𝓃𝒸𝒽 𝒻𝓇𝒾𝑒 ｡✷✮: is it 20% larger radius?

Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:48 AM

radius, which means 44% larger area
source: an ancient NGA article I read once

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traviscrt: @Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ Geos upload your vid on YouTube and submit it here as evidence that resonance from construct (without direct resonance from pillar) can still generate particles

Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:49 AM

gonna redo that later tonight so the angle is better

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Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ Geos: radius, which means 44% larger area

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Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:53 AM

found it, good ol’ Dec 2020 post https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=24773640

they legit just measured it off screen pixels

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How do we add this to the TCL

Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:54 AM

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wow ngl

that's smaller than I thought

the increase as in

Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:54 AM

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bruh

wait how do I add this

Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:55 AM

I suppose there isn't a much better way than that

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Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 07:55 AM

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I think it works as evidence

unless we use abyss tiles or something

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POT

:chokes:

Now you know one of us will need to do it

OH YEAH

We need to put in evidence for Zhongli resonance tiles too

I feel like it's in there maybe?

Lemme check

why

The shred range is in TCL but not pulse range

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✮✷｡ 𝒻𝓇𝑜𝓃𝒸𝒽 𝒻𝓇𝒾𝑒 ｡✷✮Tue, April 12, 2022 at 07:59 AM

just state the finding and link to the original post i think

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For now I'm just compiling all into the first post cause honestly idk how a basic mechanics ticket is handle, moreso one that is 2 years overdue

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well

we can just keep going like this until someone tells us to switch to a different method

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Alright we need evidence for Burst range in Abyss tiles, C4 Burst range in Abyss tiles, Pillar range in Abyss tiles (that the guide already knows but not in TCL for whatever reason) also the TCL is missing the Burst gauge?

✮✷｡ 𝒻𝓇𝑜𝓃𝒸𝒽 𝒻𝓇𝒾𝑒 ｡✷✮Tue, April 12, 2022 at 08:01 AM

wasn't burst gauge 4U?

it's in the tcl

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I love that it's just

not there

✮✷｡ 𝒻𝓇𝑜𝓃𝒸𝒽 𝒻𝓇𝒾𝑒 ｡✷✮Tue, April 12, 2022 at 08:03 AM

wait

basic mechanics is literally 3 lines

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This ticket is way overdue

Markoda | Jean ♡ me but I ♡ GeosTue, April 12, 2022 at 08:05 AM

why basic mechanics when you can just one button solve skill issue

Delectable | N2J EnjoyerTue, April 12, 2022 at 09:32 AM

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paichlearTue, April 12, 2022 at 02:00 PM

get permission to use the screenshots or get your own screenshots in co-op, then measuring the pixels works. but make sure to credit the source

if you want you can also do it in a domain with same tiles as the abyss to get it in meters

but if it's just about the c4 increase in percentage anything works (easiest way is probably putting a ruler over your screen, although ofc pixels are more accurate)

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Todo/To fill

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can I ask what “Elemental ICD” refers to? If it’s just elemental application ICD I think that’s already on TCL

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✮✷｡ 𝒻𝓇𝑜𝓃𝒸𝒽 𝒻𝓇𝒾𝑒 ｡✷✮: can I ask what “Elemental ICD” refers to? If it’s just elemental application ICD I think that’s already on TCL

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Ngl i don't remember the original thought I had when I wrote that. Maybe I was thinking about putting them all on one page

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Also thanks Pai for the pin

But dang now we need to find someone with C4

Also I just realized, we probably have data on it but considering his tap E and hold E is on Basic Mechanics maybe we can add that in

But

Tap E is 2 U

Hold E is 1U

His Pulse... Is 1U?

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should be

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"Should be" - everything Zhongli related

That's pretty accurate summary

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fortunately it shouldn't be too hard to test (?)

just using gauge reduction should work I think

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I think we have it in a sheet somewhere along with the burst, but I'll have to dig to find out

Ah, I'm too sleepy and will need sleep first but

!rm 12 hours re write the first post to arrange it properly

(!) Keqing's Eternal AssistantTue, April 12, 2022 at 04:35 PM

Alright Latiwings, I'll remind you about re write the first post to arrange it properly in 12 hours. ID: 38526441

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Stealing this here to remind self to get evidence

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/950662796008374282/963483371110010900/unknown.png

Somehow

https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/equipment/artifacts#extensive-look-at-what-heals-count-for-ohc

Artifacts

Data on ohc at C6, will update first post with this

Coronaus | C6 Big Dong ZhongTue, April 12, 2022 at 06:44 PM

If you need anymore c6 testing, feel free to ping

. I'm the monke who got dragged into writing the current guide.

https://youtu.be/s7gzPvOUvag
https://youtu.be/qoO_6I3xyxg

Zhongli C6 Environmental effect interaction

ZL C6 corrosion interaction

Also, other random things that may go in basic mechanics, radius range of construct resonance is 3 tiles (meaning a construct will resonante within that distance of the pillar), pillar placement is 1 tile forward of zl, and pillar range is actually visually accurate to its damage range and is in fact a 3x3 square.

https://youtu.be/8TlVMGw3iJU

Zhongli C6 ICD Nonexistance

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@Coronaus | C6 Big Dong Zhong Thank god you're still around, I was actually already taking your construct resonance range so I'm glad we got everything else

I'll clean up the first post after work today but aye! Thanks again! ~~Also thank you for the current guide~~

Coronaus | C6 Big Dong ZhongWed, April 13, 2022 at 12:47 AM

I've taken a step back from tc because;
1: echos is bullshit and I'm gonna let people better than me figure that one out on ZL and
2: ZL for the most part is a 'solved' character and its not like anything besides echos has really effected his potential builds in ages since the catch was released.
I'm always in the shadows though if people mention Zhongli thou

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thanks for the help

razorclaws314Wed, April 13, 2022 at 11:02 PM

Not sure if this has been done already, but here is evidence of Zhongli having 4u app on burst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMkgPqhXEt0

Zhongli burst 4U

electro aura on Beidou ult lasts ~6 seconds, which predicts 4U geo app
(1-(4x.625)/4)x17= 6.375

xreejanThu, April 14, 2022 at 09:38 AM

ayo isnt this ticket a bit late

⭐3

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only a bit?

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"A bit late" - Xree, winning the understatement of the century 2022 colorised

My compilation was too long

Okay doing it in three parts

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Final Compilation for Editors later (Arranged in the TCL format for easy figuring out where to add what)
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Basic Mechanics

Gauges
Burst - 4U
[Evidence - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMkgPqhXEt0] by RazorClaws#4343

Frames
NA, CA

E
(Shield cast and duration)
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/963331426504278026/995353965761941666

Burst

Snapshotting
E snapshots on cast
Q is dynamic
[Evidence: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M2nTLogzYd2o4ZLkYEkzfovwiTznQOB5ujWuMlQbE0k/edit#gid=192559720]

Skill Mechanics

‣ Pillar Pulse Range is
1) 1.5 Abyss Tiles
2) Radius range for construct resonance is 3 tiles (meaning distance of a construct from pillar that will resonate)
[Evidence: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/k4SCB_UU-mlzoSTn7fERxGcXI-l8jbMWhQYaF69MYFXK3oODW6V-4TN1VssMvbTd6Vhi-0cN6kdyi_4N10hZT7V7J2WYqfqvsTvGxDsxmrZ_nMWA0KcjG9_gR5PQrgpzgPYR_bAX] by Coronaus#0001

‣ Resonance ICD is shared
[Evidence: https://youtu.be/UOKUs-NrP4M] by Potade#9775

‣ Pillar placement is 1 tile forward of Zhongli
[Evidence: Need to get some]

‣ Pillar range is actually visually accurate to its damage range and is in fact a 3x3 square
[Evidence: Need to get some]

‣ Pillar pulses suffers from FPS dependence
Triggers 15 times at 60 FPS, 14 times at 59 FPS or lower
[Evidence:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/182KPzD5g2ThH1vIB9VNTYBt7UmY6T_kW23Z6YZhqZMk/edit#gid=630579272] by Tibo#4309

Burst Mechanics

‣ Zhongli's Pillar and Burst shares the same ICD
[Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Cpv-xtuOQ] by Bobrokrot#0111
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/963331426504278026/996684332427128922

Passive Mechanics

‣ Zhongli A1 - Fortify gets procc-ed by Aura Checks
[Evidence: https://youtu.be/6FT0zG3VrfI] by Beast Boy#2560
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/963331426504278026/999905113432920175

Constellation Mechanics

C1
‣ C1 pillars pulse independently
[Evidence: https://youtu.be/PJ9PBEpEvrM] by Potade#9775 (yes we are reusing evidence

)

‣ Zhongli's Pillar + C1 share the same ICD

if we assume the pillars are independent icd, then right after diano casts tap E, her 0.8U of cryo should have been removed by 2 x 1U geo application, which each consumes 0.5U of cryo right pillar pulsed 4 times before diano and left pillar pulsed 2 times before diano by zhongli's 3 hit / 2.5s icd (in tcl), and the fact that his pillars pulse once every ~2s

both pillars should have had 2.5s icd reset when diano casted tap E
however it can be seen that the first two pulses didn't fully remove cryo and it took the 4th pulse after diano E to remove cryo which suggests icd is shared

[Evidence: https://youtu.be/PJ9PBEpEvrM] by Potade#9775

C4
‣ 20% AOE clarification
[Evidence: https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/963331426504278026/963346062632964146]

C6
‣ Healing is not procced by environmental damage
[Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7gzPvOUvag] by Coronaus#0001

‣ Healing is not procced by corrosion
[Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoO_6I3xyxg] by Coronaus#0001

‣ Healing proc has no ICD
[Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TlVMGw3iJU] by Coronaus#0001

‣ Healing does count for Clam set
[Evidence: https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/equipment/artifacts#extensive-look-at-what-heals-count-for-ohc] Another ticket by Juslin#7989

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If a mod drops by, can you pin
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https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/963331426504278026/964466842104119316
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https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/963331426504278026/964467367218401290

I've also updated the first post with whatever questions we have left unanswered for now

and a todo list for evidence to get

That's all we have so far in this channel I think

Okay added a few questions

Coronaus | C6 Big Dong ZhongFri, April 15, 2022 at 11:59 AM

Evidence for the 3 tile resonance range is in the current guide iirc

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"Zhongli's C1 pillar can desync in pulse timing"

What does this mean?

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Oh, thanks Pai

Lemme check the current guide for the evidence thing uh

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Wait lemme reword that

it's the pillars pulses not necessarily lining up they can pulse independently

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you should be able to grab any c1 vid and it should show it

even my icd test can suffice

because they pulse at different times

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Technically true but I thought each evidence have to be like clear and stated

But you know what

That's problem for future Lati

Present Lati has to deal with compiling and guide first

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so technically speaking

by "clear and stated"

can i just:

Finding: C1 pillars pulse independently
Evidence: https://youtu.be/PJ9PBEpEvrM (icd video

)
oh look they don't pulse at the same time

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hey that's cheating

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anything to save effort

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It's up

also reformatted for better readability, and changed the terrible wording

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paichlearFri, April 15, 2022 at 03:44 PM

you can always just rename the video to include icd and independent pulsing since it shows both

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ah ok

vinsetteSat, April 16, 2022 at 02:55 AM

Oh btw, iirc the Q meteor shares ICD with the pillar according to Terra.

Have fun.

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Coronaus | C6 Big Dong ZhongSat, April 16, 2022 at 06:12 AM

mandoWed, April 20, 2022 at 09:15 AM

xreejanWed, April 20, 2022 at 10:09 AM

Delectable | N2J EnjoyerFri, April 22, 2022 at 02:05 AM

TibotFri, April 22, 2022 at 08:39 AM

Pillar suffers from FPS dependence

Triggers 15 times at 60 FPS, 14 times at 59 FPS or lower
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/182KPzD5g2ThH1vIB9VNTYBt7UmY6T_kW23Z6YZhqZMk/edit#gid=630579272

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you're kidding

Added to the current list

TibotFri, April 22, 2022 at 11:49 AM

it might also depend on hitlag

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I'll add that as a note

How the heck does pulses have hitlag

TibotFri, April 22, 2022 at 11:51 AM

maybe it's just inconsistent at 59

gonna need to test it somewhere else since I can't see the exact frame the pulses spawn due to grass

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I'll leave it up there first then

There's like...a lot more things to test, so take your time

TibotFri, April 22, 2022 at 12:05 PM

like, the Resonance ticks are slightly later than they should be since I can't see the first frame of it like due to location

I was in the middle of nowhere in the other tests; while for hitlag test I needed another place but the resonances are slightly expanded before they're visible here
(I took despawn times at when the bottom part of the pillar changes from that yellowy thing)

okay it might not be hitlag

cutoff of 14 vs 15 is prob not always at 59 fps; like I'm getting 15 at 59 (5 times in a row) but 14 on 50/30 (haven't tested many others)

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/ removes the hitlag thing

FPS sounds plausible tbh, mostly because this kind of reminds me of, iirc, Xinyan's pulses having different hits due to FPS

TibotFri, April 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM

watch it depend on location / how much cpu time is needed for the world

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Tibot: watch it depend on location / how much cpu time is needed for the world

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I want to say that's not plausible but—

TibotFri, April 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM

I'm doing some general time tc, everything is just cursed

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TibotFri, April 22, 2022 at 12:24 PM

I still don't get how I got multiple 14's at 59 fps at the other location