beidou-arc-buffering | KQM Transcripts

KQM | Genshin Impact

beidou-arc-buffering

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TiBotTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:39 PM

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Theory/Finding/Bug: Title of your submission

Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or YouTube/Imgur proofs

Significance: Conclusion

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:39 PM

Finding:
At high ping, Beidou can buffer a normal attack hit before activating Q to get an arc discharge

Evidence:
[1] https://youtu.be/DxR7g3lDyDs 428ms
I decided to do Kenki fights to figure out what felt like randomly ocurring unusually high Stormbreaker damage at activation.

[2] https://youtu.be/4sfnDbdct8M 318ms
first isolated test, confirms that buffering N1 is possible, ping is high and couldn't get all dmg texts on screen. Timing is very easy and seems to be hit confirmable after hitlag

[3] https://youtu.be/piNgap_Eiok 76ms
Low ping test by @549848745928556556. Achieved once after several attempts, not easy.

[4] https://youtu.be/HgoAzERqbQI 147ms
Mid ping test by @307515377406181377. Timing can be learned and used consistently after some practice.

Significance:
Extra arc discharge, esp for teams that don't use Bei as driver, which is most of them

Bei Arc buffer discovery - Genshin

I always felt like Stormbreaker activation sometimes did way more damage than usual, decided to figure out what it was.

Turns out it was something I did. Imagine fighting Kenki over n over the exact same way 11 times, finding nothing, getting tired n sloppy with execution on the 12th fight to finally find out that you were doing some tech you d...

Bei Arc buffer test01 - Genshin

Doing Bei NQ quick enough (not sure how quick, yet)

causes an arc discharge without a second N hit, suggesting that it is triggered by the N hit just before activating Q (Stormbreaker)

Might be a ping thing, hoping not

beidou N1Q proc 75ms ping

beidou n1 arc buffer ticket

wicked, 120-130ms ping

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:48 PM

i think this might be high ping only, did not get the same results at 80 ping

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bowtae: i think this might be high ping only, did not get the same results at 80 ping

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:50 PM

I see, can you try different delays?

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:52 PM

i think it works at high ping because beidoi burst depends on dmg registering, which is affected by ping

so at high ping, the damage from n1 doesnt occur until after a certain point of the burst animation

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:53 PM

yeah, that must be what's happening

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:53 PM

i cant press burst any earlier in my vid, so it's not possible at low ping

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:54 PM

ok, that confirms it then

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:54 PM

though, considering itto has a similar interaction

i wonder who else can potentially do something like this

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:55 PM

on hit people

Yoi?

with her E

not very practical even if possible

Raiden's energy, also low value

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:59 PM

actually i have another idea i'll try later
ranged attack > beidou burst

and see if that can trigger a proc even at lower ping

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:59 PM

it can

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 03:59 PM

the ranged char will have to be the active character, right?

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:00 PM

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daibangden:

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:00 PM

does this work if ganyu is off field

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:00 PM

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:00 PM

nvm then

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:00 PM

Beidou's burst is on hit, or on dmg

#928252059277459496

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:01 PM

well, this can still be put in the TCL as is, just needs to mention that high ping is needed

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:02 PM

yea, did it

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:02 PM

just realized my Beidou's burst hit for 10k per tick without buff

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:02 PM

or at least, more people should try it at various pings to see where the threshold is

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:03 PM

the effect of Beidou's burst starts as soon as you cast it right?

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:04 PM

I think that's one thing this ticket can/does prove

just need off field normal attack charas from sumeru now

or CA

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:07 PM

well off field attacks dont work anyway

and we have Childe c4

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:07 PM

ohhh, right

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:08 PM

actually i got it here

the N1 damage appeared a few frames after the camera started zooming in

in my first clip, the N1 damage happened the same frame as the zoom in, which i guess is too early

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:09 PM

hohohohohoh

daibangdenTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:09 PM

i think we can put this in her burst mechanic, nothing new in the way it works but nice trick, hard to pull off though

also need high enough pings

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:11 PM

would like to see someone with ~100 ping try this multiple times

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:11 PM

can we do a theoryhunt to see how reliable it is?

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:12 PM

you could, but i don't think it's that complex enough to need one

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:12 PM

ah, okay then

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:13 PM

well you can still make one

i also don't know how the new hunt system works since i've been gone for a while

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:14 PM

i used to have consistent 100ms ping, then 2.8 dropped and i now have avg 200ms so oops

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:15 PM

I'll just wait for people to try it at different pings, with the normal hit as close to burst activation as possible

low ping reference:
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/1004050758657921124/1004058016607387648

high ping reference:
https://youtu.be/4sfnDbdct8M

now, how do I pin this msg?

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:16 PM

do you see ping message when you right click it

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:16 PM

ah, m on mobile. I'll pin it later on PC then

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:17 PM

it should still show up with long press

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:20 PM

lemme update, it cud evn b just android devs being lazy

yep, android version doesn't have it. not a big deal. will get to pc in a while

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makeway4pk: I'll just wait for people to try it at different pings, with the normal hit as close to burst activation as possible

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:24 PM

in the meantime for people with moderate pings, check this

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:30 PM

i wonder if you can get 14 beidou procs with this

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:37 PM

did i get it? 120-130ms

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Spacebarium | uwogh: did i get it? 120-130ms

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:43 PM

yes, you did. the ratio of actn. dmg to arc dmg is about 1.266, checks out

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:44 PM

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:46 PM

is it easy for you?

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:48 PM

oh i just closed my game right after that

let me see if i can do it consistently

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:48 PM

it's fine do it later if you can remember to

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 04:49 PM

already loading in no worries

if you get familiar with the timing you can be pretty okay at it

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:06 PM

I see. do you miss it even when you feel you timed it right?

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:06 PM

just did it 6 times in a row and failed the 7th lol

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makeway4pk: I see. do you miss it even when you feel you timed it right?

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:07 PM

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:07 PM

wow, that's pretty consistent then

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:07 PM

on this ping at least i can feel when i missed it

🆗1

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makeway4pk: I'll just wait for people to try it at different pings, with the normal hit as close to burst activation as possible

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:10 PM

thanks Spacebarium.
more people can give it a try

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:10 PM

went thru characters and weapons to see more areas of potential
potential similar interactions:
beidou N1Q (this ticket)
itto N1Q (already known)
EMC N1Q
Shenhe Cryo N1E
Yun Jin N1Q
Raiden N1E
Noelle N1E

Everlasting Moonglow N1Q
Skyward Pride N1Q
Debate Club N1E

the rest of these don't seem super useful sadly besides EMC N1Q maybe

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:13 PM

ya, emc got me excited but the rest are

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:14 PM

0.6 more energy from donut

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:15 PM

lolz. maybe with your super low ping you can check if crescent procs make it easier to Yunjin n1Q

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:16 PM

something about doing this is too addicting lol

i've been parrying a ruin guard for 25 minutes

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:16 PM

phys Yunjin tech

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:16 PM

oops i killed it

time to actually close game

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:17 PM

ya, dead ruinguards make you sadder than anything else in this game

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Spacebarium | uwogh: on this ping at least i can feel when i missed it

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:19 PM

extra note: the point that i can "feel" when i get it is when the camera zooms a few frames after the n1 hitlag

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:21 PM

u mean, if it zoom after hitlag, u kno u'll miss?

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:22 PM

it zooms a couple frames after the hitlag, not sure how many frames it feels like

but it's a very short window

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:22 PM

ok, and if it zooms before, u kno you'll get the arc, right?

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:23 PM

maybe <6 frames after hitlag it feels like? don't want to actually count frames

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:23 PM

must be specific to ping but I'll check later on my ping too

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makeway4pk: ok, and if it zooms before, u kno you'll get the arc, right?

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:23 PM

it has to zoom after

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Spacebarium | uwogh: it has to zoom after

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:23 PM

ooohh

Spacebarium | uwoghTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:24 PM

i think it's also something i noticed in these videos so far

makeway4pkTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:24 PM

nzpiefaceTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:46 PM

i'll just say this now but i dont really think this is tcl worthy

we already know beidou triggers on damage

we already know damage triggers only happen when registers by server

that requires ping and introduces delay

and unlike echoes bullshit its not related to a core part of the kit

though it is pretty beneficial

bowtaeTue, August 2, 2022 at 05:57 PM

i think it's fine to add things like this, it's like how shimenawa tax evasion is in the TCL even if we already know that energy is ping dependent
and i think that deserves to be in the TCL, as it shows an application of that knowledge that wouldn't go in guides for most characters since it's useless for them

makeway4pkWed, August 3, 2022 at 12:27 PM

@bowtae and @Spacebarium | uwogh can you both put your clips on yt or imgur? if not, can I put it on mine to link as extra evidence?

I'll be closing this in about 5-6 hours if there's nothing to add

Spacebarium | uwoghWed, August 3, 2022 at 01:46 PM

i can upload on yt soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoAzERqbQI

beidou n1 arc buffer ticket

wicked

wow my ping becomes unreadable due to yt compression 😄

low spec recording moment

bowtaeWed, August 3, 2022 at 04:03 PM

https://youtu.be/piNgap_Eiok