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Ticket ToolThu, December 9, 2021 at 03:30 AM
@aeonim - Keqing and Zhongli Burst iFrames
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 03:43 AM
Finding: Keqing and Zhongli's Elemental Burst iFrames last much longer than they appear. While some online sources, such as the fandom wiki, state they last about 2 seconds, the iFrames actually last up to about 6 seconds each, so long as you do not input movements or attacks after the burst, counting from the moment you activate the Elemental Burst. These iFrames are cancelled the moment you input an attack or movement.

Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_60opiVP_ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwa_CW9zoao

Significance: These extended iFrames may prove useful in dodging/iFraming long attacks, such as Maguu Kenki's "Phantom: Flowing Water" attack. Other characters with fancy burst animations, such as Ganyu, may also possess extended iFrames
Keqing and Zhongli's Burst iFrames
Despite many sources citing Keqing and Zhongli's bursts to have "long iFrames" lasting about 2 seconds, they actually last about 6 seconds, so long as you stand still. There may be other characters that have this trait, but I haven't tested many others. I know Jean, Kokomi, and Raiden Shogun do not have this property.
Keqing and Zhongli's iFrame cancellation
The iFrames from standing still after a burst are negated the moment you act out of them, as shown in this clip, whereby Keqing and Zhongli started taking damage immediately after attacking
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Ticket ToolThu, December 9, 2021 at 03:54 AM
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 03:54 AM
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Ticket Closed by @aeonim
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:16 AM
@aeonim rename the ticket 1st
ask a person in tc gen with perms to reopen the ticket :verygood:
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Ticket ToolThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:20 AM
Ticket Opened by @jamberry since yall r confused
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:21 AM
There we go
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:23 AM
:verygood: now u can close it
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:27 AM
Actually, might compile a list of characters that do/don't have the extended iFrames
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:28 AM
:verygood: u can
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:29 AM
Method of testing: Activate elemental burst in Signora fight while standing on frozen floor and have Sheer Cold active, then stand still
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:30 AM
:magnify: u can also test it on dvalins breath
so you dont need to activate singoras phase change
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 04:33 AM
The phase change isn't super necessary anyway
Just need a/an attack(s) that hits fast
Also interesting to note is that the iFrames do protect against Corrosion
Keqing: ✅
Zhongli: ✅
Ganyu: ✅
Barbara: ✅ *
Kaeya: ✅
Raiden: ❌
Venti: ❌
Kokomi: ❌
Jean: ❌
Mona: ❌
Qiqi: ❌
Noelle: ❌
Xingqiu: ❌

Can't Test atm (Because I don't have them lol)
Diluc
Klee
Childe
Xiao
Eula
Albedo
Hu Tao
Ayaka
Yoimiya
Kazuha
Beidou (C1 makes a shield, kinda hard to tell)
Can't really test every character bc I don't have all of them :OMEGALUL:
Only so much F2P players can test before passing on to the whales
Also I'm going to call them Idle iFrames for now
The only troublesome thing about testing is that I have to refill the burst every time :OMEGALUL:
I think I'll just stick with the original 2 characters, since they have the most notable Idle iFrames, and if people would like to look more into this, they can make another ticket
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: Can't really test every character bc I don't have all of them :OMEGALUL:
greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:38 AM
u can ask other ppl to test characters u dont have
:verygood: theoryhunt
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:40 AM
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:41 AM
i can do diluc klee albedo hu tao ayaka kazuha beidou if you want i'm not a whale i just steal my sister's account
verygood1
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:42 AM
That'd be cool
You do need to use the burst at least twice though, so it might take some time lol
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:43 AM
brain cells are gone to do tc that requires thinking so time to go stand and take damage
is twice with each character enough?
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:43 AM
:magnify: I can do childe and eula ig
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:43 AM
First time to see if they even have iFrames after the animation, the 2nd time you need to spam movements/attacks to cancel iframes
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Reply to Avatar paichlear: is twice with each character enough?
aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:43 AM
Some characters probably only need one
If the character takes damage immediately after the burst ends, then they don't have Idle iFrames
So you wouldn't have to do it a second time
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:44 AM
well good thing i have emc to charge everyone's burst :verygood:
verygood1
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:44 AM
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:52 AM
:hmm: for childe I should test both ranged and melee Q
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:52 AM
Probably
I guess just post clips as you make them here, and I'll compile them into a spreadsheet
Without moving, Ganyu can avoid taking damage for about 1.5 seconds longer than if you were to move right after the burst
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:55 AM
should i do 1 character each video or all of them in 1 video
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:56 AM
If you do them all in 1 video, you'll probably want to timestamp each or cut up the video
So each video would be preferred
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 05:57 AM
ye i'd edit the video either way (to remove teleporting and stuff) so it's the same rendering time
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:17 AM
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:21 AM
We should probably test 4*s just in case, though I doubt any of them will have idle iframes
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:25 AM
you two fighting signora while i just burnt inazuma :artesians:
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greantThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:28 AM
arsonist spotted
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:28 AM
I did signora just because you can also test for Sheer Cold invulnerability
But that works too YEP
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:30 AM
i just went to dragonspine lmao
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:32 AM
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: It's funny that Kaeya technically does have them, but in practice it does almost nothing :OMEGALUL:
paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:36 AM
wdym technically, that it's very short? seems to be the case with most of the 5* i tested
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:37 AM
It's barely an extra second of invulnerability
1.41 seconds, according to youtube's "Stats for Nerds"
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:38 AM
what defines a normal i-frame anyway
with 5* it's easy to tell because of the animation but 4* are uh
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:38 AM
Yeah
Hmm
Most characters are invulnerable during their burst animation, but some characters are invulnerable for longer than their burst animation, I suppose
I consider the burst animation the point when you press Q, to when you can act again, by moving or attacking
So the Idle iFrames would be when you can act again, but instead you just stand still and take no damage
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:42 AM
well if you want me to rerecord or rename any of the videos just lmk whenever
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 06:42 AM
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I'll probably put Kaeya and Barbara in the No Idle iFrame category
Too short for any practical use
Or put a Maybe category because they do provide longer invulnerability, but not much
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nzpiefaceThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:05 AM
are you guys planning on counting the i-frames?
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:06 AM
I was counting the seconds using the Youtube stats, since frames might be a little inconsistent between clips
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:12 AM
oh btw my videos are recorded and rendered in 1080p 60fps 10k kbps if you want to count the exact frames
but none of the dmg tick every frame so
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:13 AM
Yeah if only Genshin had damage that ticked every frame
Except that would be terrible to play :OMEGALUL:
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:13 AM
poor mobile players
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:14 AM
Well good news so far
According to my math/observations, Keqing has the longest invulnerability window out of all characters tested
With a whopping 6.04 seconds of iFrames
Zhongli in 2nd with 5.61 seconds
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: With a whopping 6.04 seconds of iFrames
aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:25 AM
I counted 363 frames, so math adds up
verygood1
So I can probably safely use the second counts I have and just multiply by 60 for frame count
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Reply to Avatar nzpieface: are you guys planning on counting the i-frames?
aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:44 AM
As of now, YEP
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nzpiefaceThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:44 AM
:thunk: i just want to say burning grass ticks every 30f so you won't have very high resolution
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:45 AM
Hmm
May have to retest those at some point then
Honestly probably have to restest most of them anyway
I'll need Greant to rerecord most of their clips anyway because none of them were at 60fps :(
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Reply to Avatar nzpieface: :thunk: i just want to say burning grass ticks every 30f so you won't have very high resolution
aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:48 AM
How often does Sheer Cold and the ice floor tick?
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nzpiefaceThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:49 AM
idk never checked it
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 07:51 AM
Oh Sheer Cold ticks 1/second
Not great
I think the fastest DoT is burning, but that doesn't last long
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paichlearThu, December 9, 2021 at 08:13 AM
get a kazuha/venti/sucrose to absorb pyro and spread to more grass :verygood:
or stand on a torch?
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aeonimThu, December 9, 2021 at 08:14 AM
Has to specifically be the Dendro + Pyro burning
That ticks 4x/s
I think
Oh well, I'll sleep on it for now
Finals are coming up soon so I should probably study for those instead
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: I think the fastest DoT is burning, but that doesn't last long
jamberry since yall r confusedSat, December 11, 2021 at 01:22 PM
I think the electro abyss mages thing is pretty frequent?
might want to ask Sayline#5959 since they were working on iframes for dashes
also a theoryhunt sounds like a good idea, you can dm or ping any scholar with one of you want one posted
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: That ticks 4x/s
sayline5959Sat, December 11, 2021 at 01:38 PM
in all the time i have scoured teyvat
i have yet to see a DoT that ticks 4 times in a second
it's usually once very 30 frames (at 60fps), so 2 per second
maybe burning ticks 4 times per second, but it's hard to approximate burning ticks since there is no hit animation, so hard to know when you got attacked (except for the initial tick, where you can make a pretty good estimate due to the pyro imbue mark you get above your HP bar), and estimating based on damage numbers popping/HP bar dropping is also bad, since damage calculation is server-side, so if you have high ping, you're fucked
should i make a ticket for overworld DoT as well?
:pepela:
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jamberry since yall r confusedSat, December 11, 2021 at 01:42 PM
:keqingPain:
it might be helpful
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sayline5959Sat, December 11, 2021 at 01:44 PM
let me close nz's theoryhunt first
that took way too long for something that shouldve been simple...
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nzpiefaceSat, December 11, 2021 at 01:46 PM
sayline, let this be a lesson learned. anything that seems simple at first glance is going to be the worst of my tickets
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sayline5959Sat, December 11, 2021 at 01:47 PM
that isnt even a ticket NZ
it was a damn hunt
IT WAS A DAMN HUNT
ALL NZ HUNTS SHOULD BE FUCKING S RANK
lul3
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aeonimFri, December 17, 2021 at 09:38 AM
Ok finals week is basically over, will get back to working on this soonish
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pkach | noille, the typo queenFri, December 17, 2021 at 10:02 AM
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Reply to Avatar pkach | noille, the typo queen: always good to hear, hope finals went well
aeonimFri, December 17, 2021 at 10:12 AM
hahahaha...
KEKpat4
:QiqiSleep:
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pkach | noille, the typo queenFri, December 17, 2021 at 10:13 AM
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: Ok finals week is basically over, will get back to working on this soonish
jamberry since yall r confusedThu, December 23, 2021 at 03:48 AM
are you still planning on working on this? remember it's also okay to not make every ticket fully comprehensive- even just your initial findings are still helpful and you can talk about what still needs to be worked on going into the future in your write up
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aeonimThu, December 23, 2021 at 04:00 AM
I'm still planning on working on it - gotta rerecord and do some more stuff
There are characters I don't have access to tho so I'll need some help with that
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jamberry since yall r confusedThu, December 23, 2021 at 04:02 AM
sure
you can also post a theoryhunt if you need
#theory-hunt
just ping me or some other scholar to post it if you want
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aeonimThu, December 23, 2021 at 04:02 AM
👍
I'll probably do that soon
Deleting old clips and redoing them :btmcDed:
This time counting frames in MPC-HC instead of estimating using YT stats
Venti literally has 0 idle iframes
I have been made aware that the frame values for bursts on Keqing Mains Theorycrafting Library have the amount of time from pressing Q to the moment you can act out of it, so that saves me a lot of time
Well, some of them I'm getting different numbers though
Like I have no idea where they're getting 102 frames for Ganyu's burst when I'm consistently getting 130
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: Like I have no idea where they're getting 102 frames for Ganyu's burst when I'm consistently getting 130
jamberry since yall r confusedThu, December 23, 2021 at 01:46 PM
some of them might be incorrect- I think ganyu’s burst in particular I’ve heard people say needs updating
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aeonimThu, December 23, 2021 at 09:08 PM
I think if I can get within 5 frames of the Library, I’ll just use the library frame value
Xingqiu’s burst for sure isn’t 25 frames lol
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jamberry since yall r confusedFri, December 24, 2021 at 12:24 AM
some of them will also be like the earliest cancellable frame, so they might be longer until you can swap or do some other specific action if they only work with some cancels
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aeonimFri, December 24, 2021 at 03:36 AM
Yeah I'm trying to find earliest cancellable frame
by holding movement + Spamming character switch buttons
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: by holding movement + Spamming character switch buttons
aeonimFri, December 24, 2021 at 06:05 AM
Turn out spamming the sprint buttons give better/lower frame results
So now I gotta rerecord again :btmcDed:
nvm I'm just going to keep testing by spamming character switch
Almost done research/recording with the characters I have, will ask for theoryhunt soon
keqsalute1
@jamberry since yall r confused ok how do I do theoryhunt stuff
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: @jamberry since yall r confused ok how do I do theoryhunt stuff
jamberry since yall r confusedThu, December 30, 2021 at 10:53 PM
#theory-hunt write up something matching those formats, ping me or another scholar
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aeonimThu, December 30, 2021 at 11:57 PM
Oh actually might not need to atm, got some friends that can help
keqhmmok1
Got like 5 more characters to go, waiting on one friend :keqdesk:
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pkach | noille, the typo queenThu, January 6, 2022 at 12:42 AM
hmu if u need more friends to test
:PrayKeqing:
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: Got like 5 more characters to go, waiting on one friend :keqdesk:
jamberry since yall r confusedMon, January 10, 2022 at 08:46 AM
theoryhunt option still open
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Reply to Avatar jamberry since yall r confused: theoryhunt option still open
aeonimMon, January 10, 2022 at 11:08 PM
Yeahhh I'll send the details when I get back to my PC tonight
Or something
Maybe
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: Yeahhh I'll send the details when I get back to my PC tonight
jamberry since yall r confusedMon, January 10, 2022 at 11:34 PM
:keqsalute:
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aeonimTue, January 11, 2022 at 01:22 AM
I've reassigned the clips to some other friends since one of them was busy (I got donowall'd), so I should be covered
This time 4Real
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: This time 4Real
jamberry since yall r confusedSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:16 PM
do you have a timeline for wrapping this up?
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aeonimSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:31 PM
Honestly, not really
It sucks not having characters to test yourself lol
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jamberry since yall r confusedSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:31 PM
what characters are you missing
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aeonimSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:32 PM
Literally just need clips of Tartaglia’s Melee and Ranged bursts against Signora
That’s all
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jamberry since yall r confusedSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:32 PM
my computer can’t do 60 fps
but I can do that
what exactly do you need
if 30 fps is okay
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aeonimSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:33 PM
I’m gonna need 60fps if I want to be consistent with all other clips
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jamberry since yall r confusedSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:34 PM
:AbyssCringe:
okay let me think
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aeonimSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:36 PM
Might need Yoimiya as well since the friend I asked to record has like double the ping I have
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jamberry since yall r confusedSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:37 PM
I don’t have logins for any accts with yoi, that one isn’t happening
!rm 6h ask about childe burst idle frames testing 60 fps
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(!) Keqing's Eternal AssistantSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:38 PM
Alright elijam, I'll remind you about ask about childe burst idle frames testing 60 fps in 6 hours. ID: 33695498
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aeonimSat, January 15, 2022 at 06:40 PM
For now, I'll just post the spreadsheet I have going
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13vaZDoydPxFwy3Z0Sq8gMuuVVauE6rQWI3CivfquHaw/edit?usp=sharing
Idle iFrame Spreadsheet
Frame data

Character,Total Invulnerability Length,Animation Length,Idle iFrames,TIL (in seconds),Idle Invulnerability Time (IIT),Practicality,Comments
Shenhe,0.000,0.000
Yun Jin,0.000,0.000
Geo Aether,54,58,-4,0.900,-0.067,bruh,Aether actually started taking damage before you could swap characte...
Sorry this is taking so long to do, I didn't really think it would take so long to gather clips from people :keqsad:
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ping and ask for cat picsSat, January 15, 2022 at 11:04 PM
I can do Childe at 60 fps. It's Signora fight -> wait til floor is lava -> burst and see if he takes damage, right?
I tried that, lmk if I need something different
Melee: https://youtu.be/4smj4ZgWAWE
Melee 2: https://youtu.be/wbE5MTVPB2A
Ranged: https://youtu.be/fbxPZ8d-UuU
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Reply to Avatar ping and ask for cat pics: I tried that, lmk if I need something different
aeonimSun, January 16, 2022 at 12:58 AM
If you could do Ranged again, that would be nice
I need you to be taking damage from both Blazing Heat (or whatever it’s called) and the floor is lava
ThumbsUpElectro1
You don’t have to go all the way to the fire phase though
I did all my recordings on ice floor/Sheer Cold
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: If you could do Ranged again, that would be nice
ping and ask for cat picsSun, January 16, 2022 at 03:58 PM
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aeonimSun, January 16, 2022 at 10:55 PM
Actually I just realized none of these are playing at 60fps for some reason
idk if it's a YT thing
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ping and ask for cat picsSun, January 16, 2022 at 11:36 PM
Lucky us that I'm a pack rat who keeps everything
I have them on google drive if that ^^ doesn't work
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aeonimSun, January 16, 2022 at 11:38 PM
Still pretty sure these are 30fps
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ping and ask for cat picsSun, January 16, 2022 at 11:39 PM
Then let me go rerecord
I thought I was 60fps??
Okay this is for sure 60 fps
I'm going to upload to YT just in case
Do you want me to record again just in case?
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aeonimMon, January 17, 2022 at 12:02 AM
My video player is telling me that both of these are 30 fps
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Are you sure OBS/recording software you're using is set to 60 fps, and Genshin is also set to 60 fps
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ping and ask for cat picsMon, January 17, 2022 at 02:30 AM
I'm sure that Genshin was 60 fps, I just turned on Gamebar to check the recording and it was 58-60 the whole time
I dunno what's going on, I've recorded 60 fps before and it was fine
And based on your spreadsheet work I assume you can process 60 fps fine too.
So what's going on here? :JeanWhat:
I'll try again after a few hours of sleep
This is for sure 60 fps Genshin, 60 fps recording.
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aeonimMon, January 17, 2022 at 09:13 PM
idk what to tell you man
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Maybe try OBS instead of Gamebar
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paichlearMon, January 17, 2022 at 10:33 PM
it's not even 30 fps, check the recording settings or re-install the software? :KEKpat:
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lul1
how do you even record in 27/28 fps without manually inputting the number
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nzpiefaceMon, January 17, 2022 at 10:37 PM
type it in then
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paichlearMon, January 17, 2022 at 10:38 PM
but puffin is clearly trying to record in 60 fps :artesians:
is it a gamebar thing
i never use it
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aeonimMon, January 17, 2022 at 11:14 PM
I'm slightly surprised people actually use Gamebar
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ping and ask for cat picsMon, January 17, 2022 at 11:55 PM
:QiqiSleep:
I remmeber I asked in tc general for beginner friendly recording software, someone mentioned Windows 10 has oen built in, so that's just what I chose
Is it the domain?
If it isn't I have to cancel all my previous video for theoryhunt stuff bc it's going to be wrong
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paichlearTue, January 18, 2022 at 12:37 AM
obs is a lot more reliable though, i can teach you how to use it if you want
or you could just google it
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ping and ask for cat picsTue, January 18, 2022 at 12:44 AM
I'll figure it out someday when I've got more free time
Still not sure what the fps thing could be?
Tomorrow I'm going to try running around open world and a few domains with it up just to see if it's something on my end.
Okay so:
Ran around doing comissions in 60fps. Was fine, occasional frop to 53-ish, dropped a bit mroe after teleporting but recoveref pretty fast. Did the Blizzard Strayer domain, dropped to 45 fps when the monsters spawned, went back up ad stayed around 57. Changed to 30fps, did the same domain, still constant 30fps with the same drop when teleporting.
:NotLikeGanyu: I don't knowwhat's up
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aeonimFri, January 21, 2022 at 07:15 PM
... So should I find somebody else to do it
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ping and ask for cat picsFri, January 21, 2022 at 07:57 PM
Yeah, at least for now. Very sorry about this. :noellePensive:
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: ... So should I find somebody else to do it
kolibri._.Fri, January 21, 2022 at 08:23 PM
childe melee burst: https://youtu.be/C9y4FFSk9aY
childe ranged burst: https://youtu.be/Phh8kUsB9pI
Is this good?
I could probably also get footage of Yoimiya if needed
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Reply to Avatar kolibri._.: childe melee burst: https://youtu.be/C9y4FFSk9aY
aeonimFri, January 21, 2022 at 09:00 PM
Looks good!
Also how the hell do you have 15 ping
Do you live in MHY's server room
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Reply to Avatar kolibri._.: I could probably also get footage of Yoimiya if needed
aeonimFri, January 21, 2022 at 09:07 PM
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kleeok1
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: Also how the hell do you have 15 ping
kolibri._.Fri, January 21, 2022 at 09:07 PM
I'm in the country where the EU server is located so yeah :BennettSmug:
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aeonimFri, January 21, 2022 at 09:07 PM
Nice
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kolibri._.Fri, January 21, 2022 at 09:18 PM
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Reply to Avatar kolibri._.: https://youtu.be/9xGdjLQJAYM
aeonimFri, January 21, 2022 at 09:20 PM
Oh actually for Childe Ranged and this one, I need you to take damage from both icy floor and sheer cold
Melee is good tho
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kolibri._.Fri, January 21, 2022 at 09:20 PM
ok I'm on it
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Reply to Avatar aeonim: Oh actually for Childe Ranged and this one, I need you to take damage from both icy floor and sheer cold
kolibri._.Fri, January 21, 2022 at 09:38 PM
any other stuff you need recorded? For example, Ayaka/Hu Tao/Klee have missing numbers on the sheet you linked a bit further up and I have those characters.