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can-kazuha-infuse-element-during-plunge-from-benny-c6-and-chongers
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daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:14 PM
?
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:19 PM
A question came up in #│neuvillette-zhongli-help abt thjs
That is, if kazuha can infuse the pyro from benny c6 on his plunge
Similarly if this is possible with chongyun
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:40 PM
ok where's the finding?
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:41 PM
Videos r being recorded
Just opened the ticket so as to post stuff somewhere
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:42 PM
ah ok take your time then
❤️1
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:53 PM
@frzned
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:58 PM
it is kinda a common knowledge that he can absorb self aura with his E and Q, so ofc bennett will work, but for chongyun unfortunately only abilities that affect weapon gauge can react with weapon so Kazuha and other normal anemo abilities wont be able to absorb it
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:59 PM
both can infuse fine
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 04:59 PM
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:00 PM
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:00 PM
The question is more like if the plunge itself can be induced
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:00 PM
and uh low plunge pyro infused melt xiao is a thing
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:01 PM
Chonger is fine but is benny the same
Isn't he swirling the pyro on himself
Isn't he swirling the pyro on himself
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:01 PM
you absorb cryo off enemy, of course it will work 
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:02 PM
oh so do it again but no cryo on enemies
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:02 PM
that's just how the ability works
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:02 PM
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:02 PM
and why do you even need enemy to test this
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:02 PM
no cryo on enemy
well cuz im dumb and i need to see colored number
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:03 PM
Was cryo swirled here?
No i blv?
beastboy197Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:03 PM
No because there was no cryo aura
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:04 PM
So
Kazuha cannot swirl the cryo on his weapon from chonger
Kazuha cannot swirl the cryo on his weapon from chonger
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:04 PM
nothing can
as i said above
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:04 PM
Can u do the same with benny if possible? Frz?
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:05 PM
I can but like it's pretty hard to get rid of benny Q self apply aura
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:05 PM
Yea
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:05 PM
what are you trying to do exactly?
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:06 PM
I'll link u to the chat
Gimme a min
Gimme a min
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:06 PM
idk he just tell me to record
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:06 PM
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:08 PM
yeah it just
self appl pyro constantly
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:08 PM
@nassbot
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:08 PM
this overwrite the pyro/cryo infusion
so no pyro/cryo
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:09 PM
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:09 PM
only anemo
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:09 PM
So kazuha infusions overrides all other auras
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:09 PM
in this case, yes
like Xiao during burst
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:10 PM
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:10 PM
But in case of xiao, even if he has any element on him
All of it is overriden right
All of it is overriden right
But in case of kazuha
frznedSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:10 PM
no pyro on enemy tried to have him cleanse the pyro off but it gets reapplied right away
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:10 PM
He absorbs the element from the enemy or himself
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:10 PM
the original question was never about Kazuha absorbing element
it was about his does his plunge get converted to pyro/cryo if his weapon is infused with different element
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:11 PM
Yes
More like can midare ranzaan absorb an element if the weapon is infused with it
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:12 PM
Yea pyro getting reapplied right away 
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:12 PM
this is separate finding
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:13 PM
no
this is just about how plunge attack works
this is just about how plunge attack works
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:13 PM
I see
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:13 PM
if you want to include that it should be separate from plunge infusion thing
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:13 PM
like if your weapon is infused with element your plunge attack will be converted to that element but in Kazuha case with his special plunge attack it will always be converted to anemo
so the quick answer is no
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:14 PM
1. does kazuha's anemo conversion for E>plunge get affected by other weapon infusion
2. can kazuha absorb weapon gauge
2. can kazuha absorb weapon gauge
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:14 PM
now you can write the finding
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:14 PM
like this
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:14 PM
Aaa i see
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:14 PM
i think it's nice to get confirmation like this
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:14 PM
The answer is No for both?
I blv
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:14 PM
I know 1 is no
for 2 I won't be surprised with either answer
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:15 PM
Both are a no
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:16 PM
dont think anything can react with weapon aside from weapon infusion skills
oh about Childe's melee stand i still dont know
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:16 PM
are interaction between weapon gauges and absorption in tcl
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:16 PM
Dunno
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:16 PM
i don't think it is
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:17 PM
weapon gauge is in the TCL
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:17 PM
yes I know
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:17 PM
is arrow counted as weapon? 
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:17 PM
specifically about interaction between absorption
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:17 PM
because they behave differently
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:17 PM
Infusions don't work on arrows do they?
Except when the character itself is a vision holder
I mean all characters are
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:18 PM
fully charged arrow can react with most things as they are objects infused with element
it's weird
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:18 PM
But the element seen there is from the vision alone right
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:19 PM
@Rimuru | Navia's Bullets
I think you should stick with 1 for now since that was original question
if you want to test 2, check tcl first to comfirm it's not documented yet for any anemo characters
I think you should stick with 1 for now since that was original question
if you want to test 2, check tcl first to comfirm it's not documented yet for any anemo characters
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:19 PM
Ok
We'll go for 1 now then
We'll go for 1 now then
TiBotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:20 PM
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Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:21 PM
Sry for the ghost ping
TiBotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:21 PM
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daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
wait why am i a part of this?
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
I don't think we needed to be added 
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
Well
Nay
U guys did more of the thinking
So yea
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
ye it's your ticket just submit it as yours
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
just frzned and you are enough
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
ye
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
Really?
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:22 PM
Bennett Q -> Kazuha tap E before Bennett Q tick, stay in the air, then plunge
No pyro absorption
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:23 PM
It gets absorbed mid air i blv
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:23 PM
Nope
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:23 PM
Really?
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:23 PM
If you swap fast enough
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:23 PM
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:23 PM
Bennett Q applies the buff in ticks
Same concept for snapshottable abilities
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:24 PM
Yes
I know that
In the last video
I saw him going up without pyro but he got pyro'd while in air
I know that
In the last video
I saw him going up without pyro but he got pyro'd while in air
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:24 PM
Slow it down
He got pyro before using E
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:24 PM
Lemme try
Ohhh
You're right
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:25 PM
Bennett Q outside of enemy range, stay in bennett until enemy approaches, quickswap to Kazuha tE
linger in the air until Bennett Q ticks, plunge
Ability explicitly mentions Anemo conversion so it's not going to be overriden
Same for Chongyun
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:27 PM
Yea chongyun is confirmed
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:27 PM
To test if the weapon gauge interacts with Aura checks, just use Chong E -> Kazuha E
near a torch
or just in the middle of nowhere
He's not going to absorb cryo, or infuse cryo
AMC is probably a better unit to test with if you want the cryo prio
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:28 PM
@frzned
Can u do this sometime when u r free?
Can u do this sometime when u r free?
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:29 PM
I thought you aren't going to test absorption
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:29 PM
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:29 PM
that should be separate ticket
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:29 PM
Ohh u hv a point
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:29 PM
He was probably talking about the Bennett thing
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:29 PM
Yea don't go for the amc thing btw
Yea
Just the kazu part
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:30 PM
just stay in Chongyun's E then do Kazuha E, record it, write the finding, done
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:30 PM
Yep
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:30 PM
yeah this is fairly simple test
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:30 PM
Chonger doesn't self apply cryo right?
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:31 PM
this test wasnt about absorption in the first place
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:31 PM
he doesn't
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:31 PM
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:31 PM
Isn't this enough for that then
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:31 PM
I also think it's rather intuitive considering the game explicitly mentions that it's an anemo conversion, I don't think it even needs to be explored
Unless other conversions have been overwritten before?
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:31 PM
keqing
ayaka
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:32 PM
infusion
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:32 PM
wdym
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:32 PM
dont trust hoyo wording on this one
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:32 PM
infusion
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:32 PM
Yea keqing and ayaka
They all get their elements infused right?
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:32 PM
infusion
not conversion
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:33 PM
The only infusion that can't be overridden is Raiden
but even that is explicitly mentioned in her Talent
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:33 PM
you got a point but still they are inconsistent, need to confirm
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:33 PM
Yup
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:34 PM
All the other infusions in the game have been shown to have weapon guage so it interacts with Bennett c6 / Chong E
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:34 PM
yeah because we can all trust mihoyo's wording
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:34 PM
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:34 PM
that's just pattern not rule
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:34 PM
Until it's broken, it's more or less a rule
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
so it's rule except when it's no longer a one
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
If that's the intention, the ticket might as well document all the conversions, no?
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
like what
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
If you're debating the consistency of conversions in the game
why not test all of them
Noelle, Xiao, Itto
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
they all mention they can't be overridden
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
well because those skills are stated as cant be overriden
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
Yup
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:35 PM
that's the consistent part
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:36 PM
Kazuha's is not
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:36 PM
not conversion vs infusion
that's just pattern you observed
khezu01Sun, July 17, 2022 at 05:36 PM
I guess that's fair
nassbotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:36 PM
not a rule
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:36 PM
so just a small confirmation
TiBotSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:52 PM
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Rimuru | Navia's BulletsSun, July 17, 2022 at 05:53 PM
Hope this is fine
Finding - Kazuha's E>plunge is not affected by weapon infuson from the likes of bennett or chongyun
Evidence - https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/998259796442628156/998273546574901318
In this video recorded by frz, kazuha performs his skill while in chongyun's infusion circle but the the resulting plunge is still seen to be Anemo. This proves the hypothesis.
Significance - Kazuha's E>plunge can be considered as an anemo infusion which cannot be overrided by weapon infusion as in the likes of keqing or ayaka or chongyun.
Evidence - https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/998259796442628156/998273546574901318
In this video recorded by frz, kazuha performs his skill while in chongyun's infusion circle but the the resulting plunge is still seen to be Anemo. This proves the hypothesis.
Significance - Kazuha's E>plunge can be considered as an anemo infusion which cannot be overrided by weapon infusion as in the likes of keqing or ayaka or chongyun.
TiBotSun, July 17, 2022 at 06:01 PM
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Magnus Artifex | Xilo C2 betSun, July 17, 2022 at 11:10 PM
Keq
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:13 AM
evidence has to be on youtube or imgur
TiBotMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:41 AM
Ticket re-opened by @Rimuru | Navia's Bullets
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:41 AM
Oh dear
Can u help me with that @nassbot
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:43 AM
just upload on imgur
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:43 AM
I don't have an imgur account for one thing and two I have exams today
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:45 AM
you don't need to harry
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:45 AM
Ohhh
Well
Ok
Ok
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:11 AM
Is streamable ok btw?
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:11 AM
no
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:13 AM
Ok
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:46 PM
@nassbot kazuha's sword showing anemo infusion in this video when plunging can also be shown as proof for the theory right?
If i just slow mo it
If i just slow mo it
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:47 PM
yeah
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 12:48 PM
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:17 PM
yeah edit write up though
where is it 
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:17 PM
Okie
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:18 PM
pin it or post it again so verifier can find it easier
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:18 PM
Post where
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:19 PM
here
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:19 PM
Wdym
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:19 PM
nvm it's not important 
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:20 PM
Okie
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:20 PM
just edit evidence of this comment
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:20 PM
Yup will do that
Finding - Kazuha's E>plunge anemo infusion/conversion is not overtaken by weapon infuson from the likes of bennett or chongyun
Evidence -
https://imgur.com/a/LLKsoO5
https://imgur.com/a/hR36v3W
https://imgur.com/a/8G0At6h
1) In the first video, we can see kazuha doing ONLY ANEMO DMG on his plunge, even though his sword is infused with cryo before going up. We can vaguely visualize his sword getting anemo infused during plunge.
2) In the second video, we get a better view of the cryo infusion while going up which is then OVERRIDEN BY KAZUHA'S ANEMO INFUSION.
3) The 3rd video shows a similar scenario with c6 bennett. The video is slowed down to better visualize the pyro infusion on ascending which is overriden by Kazuha's anemo infusion.
Significance - Kazuha's E>plunge can be considered as an anemo infusion which cannot be overrided by weapon infusion as seen in the likes of keqing or ayaka or chongyun.
Evidence -
https://imgur.com/a/LLKsoO5
https://imgur.com/a/hR36v3W
https://imgur.com/a/8G0At6h
1) In the first video, we can see kazuha doing ONLY ANEMO DMG on his plunge, even though his sword is infused with cryo before going up. We can vaguely visualize his sword getting anemo infused during plunge.
2) In the second video, we get a better view of the cryo infusion while going up which is then OVERRIDEN BY KAZUHA'S ANEMO INFUSION.
3) The 3rd video shows a similar scenario with c6 bennett. The video is slowed down to better visualize the pyro infusion on ascending which is overriden by Kazuha's anemo infusion.
Significance - Kazuha's E>plunge can be considered as an anemo infusion which cannot be overrided by weapon infusion as seen in the likes of keqing or ayaka or chongyun.
@nassbot Is this ok?
nassbotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:32 PM
Rimuru | Navia's BulletsMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:32 PM
Ok
I'll pin it and close the ticket
I'll pin it and close the ticket
TiBotMon, July 18, 2022 at 01:33 PM
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