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candace-basic-mechanics
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AyzelWed, September 28, 2022 at 02:52 AM
Candace Basic Mechanics ticket
Put all mechanics findings for Candace here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
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Put all mechanics findings for Candace here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
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Please use the following format for any basic mechanics submissions:
Finding:
Evidence:
Significance:
Finding:
Evidence:
Significance:
f99shiWed, September 28, 2022 at 04:09 AM
Finding: Candace N2 and E are blunt. N2 and tap E can shatter but i cant get hold E to shatter despite it being blunt
Evidence:
https://imgur.com/a/p491ecV
https://imgur.com/a/CXxGhBq
https://imgur.com/a/t2Wl7w0
https://imgur.com/a/gW7sxZH
Significance: new mining archon
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Evidence:
https://imgur.com/a/p491ecV
https://imgur.com/a/CXxGhBq
https://imgur.com/a/t2Wl7w0
https://imgur.com/a/gW7sxZH
Significance: new mining archon
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Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademyWed, September 28, 2022 at 01:58 PM
Finding: both tap E and hold E have no ICD
Evidence: checked using 4pc Gambler
tap E: https://youtu.be/aAAwH6Cu25U
hold E: https://youtu.be/jAHvEvGzy9M
Evidence: checked using 4pc Gambler
tap E: https://youtu.be/aAAwH6Cu25U
hold E: https://youtu.be/jAHvEvGzy9M
Candace tap E has no ICD
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Candace hold E has no ICD
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sewThu, September 29, 2022 at 12:37 AM
Finding: Candace's infusion overrides c6 Bennett
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXE9ZbcmfIo
Significance: May enable some new teams that couldn't work with c6 Bennett
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXE9ZbcmfIo
Significance: May enable some new teams that couldn't work with c6 Bennett
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Finding: Candace can't overwrite Chongyuns infusion
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjD49OckiVc
Significance: Infusion priority shenanigans
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjD49OckiVc
Significance: Infusion priority shenanigans
MystathiThu, September 29, 2022 at 04:09 AM
Finding: Candace + Chongyun infusion = frozen weapon (that does Cryo dmg)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/N-ThOhYi6X8
Significance: Chongyun doesn’t quite override Candace. What may happen is that the weapon infusions trigger freeze on the weapon, which depletes both elements and leaves a frozen aura. This frozen aura is what deals Cryo dmg. This is more information on weapon infusions and can lead into questions of dumb shit like can a weapon do Cryo and hydro dmg if there is enough hydro on it (like how swirl can swirl Cryo and hydro on a frozen enemy). It’s also very cool
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/N-ThOhYi6X8
Significance: Chongyun doesn’t quite override Candace. What may happen is that the weapon infusions trigger freeze on the weapon, which depletes both elements and leaves a frozen aura. This frozen aura is what deals Cryo dmg. This is more information on weapon infusions and can lead into questions of dumb shit like can a weapon do Cryo and hydro dmg if there is enough hydro on it (like how swirl can swirl Cryo and hydro on a frozen enemy). It’s also very cool
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nassbotThu, September 29, 2022 at 01:08 PM
Finding: Interaction between Candace and Keqing infusion
(Tldr: weapon is Electrocharged but deals hydro dmg)
Evidences:
Clip 1. https://imgur.com/W0LdtNj
Clip 2. https://imgur.com/WTnZFQY
Clip 3. https://imgur.com/hjHzlpY
(Clip 1)
After keqing cast her skill, her weapon gains purple aura as usual but she still has visual effect of Candace burst.
When using elemental sight, her weapon looks like electro infused.
(Clip 2)
Even though her weapon has appearance of electro infusion, Keqing normal attacks under Candace burst deals hydro dmg.
(Clip 3)
When applying infusions in order of “Candace burst -> Keqing skill -> Chongyun skill”. Super conduct is triggered. Indicating electro gauge is physically present (not just as a visual effect) even though it does not seem to affect damage type of attacks.
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(Tldr: weapon is Electrocharged but deals hydro dmg)
Evidences:
Clip 1. https://imgur.com/W0LdtNj
Clip 2. https://imgur.com/WTnZFQY
Clip 3. https://imgur.com/hjHzlpY
(Clip 1)
After keqing cast her skill, her weapon gains purple aura as usual but she still has visual effect of Candace burst.
When using elemental sight, her weapon looks like electro infused.
(Clip 2)
Even though her weapon has appearance of electro infusion, Keqing normal attacks under Candace burst deals hydro dmg.
(Clip 3)
When applying infusions in order of “Candace burst -> Keqing skill -> Chongyun skill”. Super conduct is triggered. Indicating electro gauge is physically present (not just as a visual effect) even though it does not seem to affect damage type of attacks.
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aftermathrarThu, September 29, 2022 at 05:20 PM
not sure if this is exactly the right place, but
Finding: Candace n4 string is able to get 12 procs of Beidou's Q pretty easily. Her Q and E timings allow for multiple variations
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/sGAyBp8IA5k
These combos do require a small amount of timing after the N4, since mashing LMB or dashing into an N1 will make you hit slightly too fast.
First combo: n1Q n3 E n4w n4 E n4
The start of this should work well for Candace's setup if swapping to another character. The E should be done slightly before the n3-2 connects to space out for the following n1.
Second Combo 2: n4 e n4w n4 e n4
Potential basic combo after quickswapping in. The E animation is under 1s, so it can be weaved in anywhere after a Beidou proc.
Third Combo: 4n4w
Initial proof of concept. Main takeaway is that Candace would be able to drive well when quickswapped into.
Significance:
Candace might have some value in Beidou quickswap stuff
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Finding: Candace n4 string is able to get 12 procs of Beidou's Q pretty easily. Her Q and E timings allow for multiple variations
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/sGAyBp8IA5k
These combos do require a small amount of timing after the N4, since mashing LMB or dashing into an N1 will make you hit slightly too fast.
First combo: n1Q n3 E n4w n4 E n4
The start of this should work well for Candace's setup if swapping to another character. The E should be done slightly before the n3-2 connects to space out for the following n1.
Second Combo 2: n4 e n4w n4 e n4
Potential basic combo after quickswapping in. The E animation is under 1s, so it can be weaved in anywhere after a Beidou proc.
Third Combo: 4n4w
Initial proof of concept. Main takeaway is that Candace would be able to drive well when quickswapped into.
Significance:
Candace might have some value in Beidou quickswap stuff
Candace Beidou Driver Combos
0:00 n1Q n3 E n4w n4 E n4
0:16 n1 E n3 Q n4 E n4w n4
0:33 4n4w
These combos do require a small amount of timing after the N4, since mashing LMB or dashing into an N1 will make you hit slightly too fast.
The start of the first combo should work well for Candace's setup before swapping to another character. The E should be done slightly before t...
0:16 n1 E n3 Q n4 E n4w n4
0:33 4n4w
These combos do require a small amount of timing after the N4, since mashing LMB or dashing into an N1 will make you hit slightly too fast.
The start of the first combo should work well for Candace's setup before swapping to another character. The E should be done slightly before t...
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Magnus Artifex | Chiori C1 how?Fri, September 30, 2022 at 01:37 AM
Wait just for clarity of the findings: weapon infusions include elemental reactions? Do we know if stuff like artifact set bonuses trigger on said reactions? Is this ticket worthy? Who volunteers?
pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tFri, September 30, 2022 at 01:39 AM
1. they do, but largely following their own rules
2. they dont
3. already in tcl under Weapon Gauges name, update in progress
dont reply to this message, that way we can avoid off-topic
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2. they dont
3. already in tcl under Weapon Gauges name, update in progress
dont reply to this message, that way we can avoid off-topic
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poiiyoFri, September 30, 2022 at 10:10 AM
any c6 icd clips?
aftermathrarFri, September 30, 2022 at 10:32 AM
Finding: Candace's counter has no startup, it is active as soon as the UI greys out. However, there is a variable delay between key press and activation dependent on input delay.
Additionally, her A1 will only activate while E is held at the time of getting hit.
Evidence:
https://imgur.com/Xpn2eVs
https://imgur.com/viN0iTM
https://imgur.com/IILpMea
First vid shows that the thrown knife hits 1 frame after disappearing (can be 1 or 2 frames), then parrying the knife on the frame the UI greys out for a full counter. The effect shows up as a small white spot on the shield summon anim.
Second and third clips show that E must be held in order to activate A1. The second video is a frame 2 counter with E released, Candace performs the normal shield bash. The third clip is a frame 6 counter with E held, Candace performs the full counter version.
In order to not delay the jump animation on the full counter, the parry should be done between frames 1-5.
Somewhat related, the skill CD is higher with the perfect parry.
Significance:
Better understanding of the mechanics of the parry and why sometimes it seems like the A1 failed to activate (and feels worse compared to beidou).
For non-c4 havers, knowing how to avoid getting the longer cd and animation of the full counter is very useful. Tapping very quickly will still confer the shield for the duration of the animation while not messing up rotation timings.
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Additionally, her A1 will only activate while E is held at the time of getting hit.
Evidence:
https://imgur.com/Xpn2eVs
https://imgur.com/viN0iTM
https://imgur.com/IILpMea
First vid shows that the thrown knife hits 1 frame after disappearing (can be 1 or 2 frames), then parrying the knife on the frame the UI greys out for a full counter. The effect shows up as a small white spot on the shield summon anim.
Second and third clips show that E must be held in order to activate A1. The second video is a frame 2 counter with E released, Candace performs the normal shield bash. The third clip is a frame 6 counter with E held, Candace performs the full counter version.
In order to not delay the jump animation on the full counter, the parry should be done between frames 1-5.
Somewhat related, the skill CD is higher with the perfect parry.
Significance:
Better understanding of the mechanics of the parry and why sometimes it seems like the A1 failed to activate (and feels worse compared to beidou).
For non-c4 havers, knowing how to avoid getting the longer cd and animation of the full counter is very useful. Tapping very quickly will still confer the shield for the duration of the animation while not messing up rotation timings.
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good enough >> bestFri, September 30, 2022 at 08:56 PM
Findings:
Candace's gauges are all 1A.
Tap E is 1A (first appeared frame 1083, disappeared 1652. Difference is 569 frames or 9.49 seconds in 60fps)
Fully-charged hold E is also 1A (frames 1988 to 2561, 573 frames or 9.55 seconds in 60fps)
Initial hit of Q is, yet again, 1A (frames 2891 to 3463, 572 frames or 9.53 seconds in 60fps)
Swapping characters while in Q is 1A (6:01 to 15:49, 9.48 seconds in 60fps)
watchframebyframe.com used for all frame counting, no idea why it changed numbering systems.
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/hvcrj4nT-s0
https://youtu.be/pfCoUt4Glto
Significance: Better understand Candace's kit, more accurate guide writing, haha the gauge recording monke strikes again
Candace's gauges are all 1A.
Tap E is 1A (first appeared frame 1083, disappeared 1652. Difference is 569 frames or 9.49 seconds in 60fps)
Fully-charged hold E is also 1A (frames 1988 to 2561, 573 frames or 9.55 seconds in 60fps)
Initial hit of Q is, yet again, 1A (frames 2891 to 3463, 572 frames or 9.53 seconds in 60fps)
Swapping characters while in Q is 1A (6:01 to 15:49, 9.48 seconds in 60fps)
watchframebyframe.com used for all frame counting, no idea why it changed numbering systems.
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/hvcrj4nT-s0
https://youtu.be/pfCoUt4Glto
Significance: Better understand Candace's kit, more accurate guide writing, haha the gauge recording monke strikes again
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aftermathrarTue, October 4, 2022 at 02:44 PM
Finding:
Candace Q swap damage (Wave Impact DMG) has no icd
Evidence:
I've seen others test icds on anemo cube, so hopefully this is right: https://imgur.com/a/FFJ95Mr
Swirl numbers pop up on initial cast and each swap (number goes up cuz instructor)
Significance:
Affects hydro app metering
Candace Q swap damage (Wave Impact DMG) has no icd
Evidence:
I've seen others test icds on anemo cube, so hopefully this is right: https://imgur.com/a/FFJ95Mr
Swirl numbers pop up on initial cast and each swap (number goes up cuz instructor)
Significance:
Affects hydro app metering
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Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademyTue, October 4, 2022 at 04:53 PM
Finding: Candace hold E and Q do not snapshot.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/st6K4RWTdWo
Evidence: https://youtu.be/st6K4RWTdWo
Candace E and Q do not snapshot
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good enough >> bestThu, October 6, 2022 at 02:06 PM
Finding: Candace tap E creates 2 particles each time it hits an enemy
Evidence: 16 trials, no case where 2 particles are not produced
https://youtu.be/8HMzZfMOZOc
Significance: Calcs and ER stuff
Evidence: 16 trials, no case where 2 particles are not produced
https://youtu.be/8HMzZfMOZOc
Significance: Calcs and ER stuff
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Finding: Candace hold E creates 3 particles each time it hits an enemy
Evidence: 5 minutes' worth of trials, should be enough
https://youtu.be/VUZTlHKVq64
Significance: Calcs and ER stuff5
Evidence: 5 minutes' worth of trials, should be enough
https://youtu.be/VUZTlHKVq64
Significance: Calcs and ER stuff
Candace Hold E Particles
I dunno exactly how many trials but this should be enough to confirm that it's always 3 hydro particles with hold E on Candace.
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theceoofgeoFri, November 4, 2022 at 12:28 PM
Finding: Candace's C6 does NOT work with teammates in coop
Teammates do not unleash any Wagtail tides at all
Significance: This means C6 is completely useless for coop, and is solely designed for single-player players who want to activate Wagtails by attack instead of switching characters
Evidence: got matched with the asia server player "kawaiigin" UID 833167462. Tested it with him
Teammates do not unleash any Wagtail tides at all
Significance: This means C6 is completely useless for coop, and is solely designed for single-player players who want to activate Wagtails by attack instead of switching characters
Evidence: got matched with the asia server player "kawaiigin" UID 833167462. Tested it with him
pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tFri, November 4, 2022 at 12:36 PM
we need video evidence dude
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usernameMon, November 7, 2022 at 11:16 PM
Finding: Candace C6 has no ICD
Evidence: https://youtu.be/EZYZeAwipvQ
Significance: better understanding of Candace’s kit. her c6 can always generate blooms
Evidence: https://youtu.be/EZYZeAwipvQ
Significance: better understanding of Candace’s kit. her c6 can always generate blooms
TiBotTue, November 8, 2022 at 03:37 PM
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