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Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or YouTube/Imgur proofs

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ReensWed, August 24, 2022 at 02:48 AM
Dendro Traveler Basic Mechanics ticket

Put all mechanics findings for the Dendro Traveler here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.

Dendro Traveler Character Page: https://library.keqingmains.com/dmc

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MystathiWed, August 24, 2022 at 04:15 AM
Finding: DMC's Skill can hit a Ruin Guard's Weakspot

Evidence: https://youtu.be/9Bvhs-ncd58

Significance: It is a bit finicky, but still important information that may be useful in future
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good enough >> bestWed, August 24, 2022 at 12:40 PM
Finding: Dendro MC E has no ICD
Evidence: https://youtu.be/3dRzkVMwvt0
Signifiance: Better understanding of ICD, more Dendro application
Second DMC E triggered both Quicken and Spread while the first only got Quickened, interesting.
Someone kindly tell me if I counted frames right before anyone takes this as true.

Finding: Dendro MC E is 1 unit of Dendro at decay rate A.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/sUkw-tIAL2I (60 fps)
Dendro applied to ruin guard at 31.66, last frame with dendro is 41.22 according to watchframebyframe.com
Lasts 9.56 seconds, so 1A of dendro. Elemental sight used.
Significance: Understanding DMC's reaction stuff
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ena6013Wed, August 24, 2022 at 11:51 PM
witch elements can be inbued in to DMC burst flower and then swirled of it?
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emmausThu, August 25, 2022 at 04:57 AM
Dmc burst is not a target for swirl. It can't have an aura
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Reply to Avatar emmaus: Dmc burst is not a target for swirl. It can't have an aura
rarepossumThu, August 25, 2022 at 04:59 AM
It can hold a cryo aura actually
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zakharov29229Thu, August 25, 2022 at 06:19 AM
Finding: Dendro MC Q applies dendro on every second hit (without electro transformation). This most likely means standard ICD
Evidence: https://youtu.be/JuDjOxO-smY
Significance: Dendro MC ICD
Finding: Dendro MC Q hits every 1.5 seconds without electro transformation, for a total of 9 hits at c0
Evidence: https://youtu.be/JuDjOxO-smY
Significance: Dendro MC ICD
Finding: Dendro MC Q hits every 0.9 seconds (53 frames) with electro transformation, for a total of 15 hits at c0 assuming electro transformation happens quickly
Evidence: https://youtu.be/3dXMqyG0jPg
Significance: Dendro MC Q damage calculations
Finding: Dendro MC Q has standard ICD with electro transformation
Evidence: https://youtu.be/3dXMqyG0jPg
Significance: Dendro MC ICD
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Reply to Avatar rarepossum: It can hold a cryo aura actually
ena6013Thu, August 25, 2022 at 11:35 AM
i was curious if from beta something changed and can do more elements
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charliex3000Thu, August 25, 2022 at 03:43 PM
Other elements just react with the dendro aura on it
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zakharov29229Thu, August 25, 2022 at 04:40 PM
Finding: Dendro MC Q is 56 frames
Evidence: https://youtu.be/JuDjOxO-smY
Significance: frame counts
Finding: Dendro MC E is 36 frames
Evidence: https://youtu.be/3dXMqyG0jPg
Significance: frame counts
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Reply to Avatar charliex3000: Other elements just react with the dendro aura on it
pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tThu, August 25, 2022 at 07:22 PM
does it have permanent dendro aura? :hmmge:
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charliex3000Thu, August 25, 2022 at 07:26 PM
Transformed lamp doesn't have dendro aura IIRC
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pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tThu, August 25, 2022 at 07:27 PM
ah, sadge
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graphtenFri, August 26, 2022 at 07:23 PM
Finding: Dendro MC Q can hold a cryo aura while untransformed
Evidence: https://youtu.be/fG1czKbuWF8
Significance: Better understanding of how the character functions
DMC burst with cryo aura
DMC's burst can hold a cryo aura that can be swirled onto enemies. I did similar tests with hydro and electro and these auras are not held by the lotus lamp after it transforms.
Finding: Dendro MC Q cannot hold a cryo aura after transfiguration
Evidence: https://youtu.be/etMTztnsvus
Significance: Better understanding of how the character functions
DMC burst post transfigure
DMC's burst can no longer hold a cryo aura once it has transformed. I have only done this specific test with the electro transfiguration, however because of behavior I observed previously I believe this can also be extrapolated to the hydro transfiguration as well. Sorry about the weird cut at the end.
Finding: While DMC Q has a cryo aura, the lotus lamp will not transform until the cryo aura has been removed/disappears
Evidence: https://youtu.be/kqDvO4p041o
Significance: Can be used to prevent unwanted tranforms in theory
DMC burst cryo shielding
While DMC's burst has a cryo aura, it will not transform unless it is removed first.
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bluebery9054Sat, August 27, 2022 at 09:05 AM
Finding: Doesn't infuses the elements of aura characters or enemies. Only affected by the element of attacks
Evidence: https://youtu.be/oKYlR0bRr_c
Significance: controlled infusion
BURNING team with... DENDRO TRAVELER? Controlled infusion tech
The team is still quite hard to pull off, since you will need tons of ER on DMC.
Currently, DMC is the dendro character that works best for burning reaction. Haha. Tighnari and Collei have some uptime and range issues.

Even though it is nerfed, burning will be viable when we have better off-field dendro applicator.
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Reply to Avatar bluebery9054: Finding: Doesn't infuses the elements of aura characters or enemies. Only affected by the element of attacks
ena6013Sat, August 27, 2022 at 11:45 AM
jean self swirl like sunfire same?
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bluebery9054Sat, August 27, 2022 at 04:11 PM
Finding: Jean swirl triggers transfiguration
Evidence: https://youtu.be/MyI5e-Oibnk
Significance: controlled transfiguration
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pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tSat, August 27, 2022 at 04:22 PM
@bluebery9054 please upload evidence on youtube. also its called transfiguration, infusion is a different thing
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BabelTea DO YOU KYOTOSat, August 27, 2022 at 05:22 PM
infusion absorbtion transfiguration same shit
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good enough >> bestSun, August 28, 2022 at 01:13 AM
Finding: DMC Q spawns ~1m directly in front of MC in whatever direction they're facing, and its range is ~3 abyss tiles or 7.65 meters (untransfigured, give or take bc of the scalloped edges of the circle)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/YhOEblGPr-o
Significance: Better understanding of Dendro MC's ability range
Finding: Hydro-Transfigured Dendro MC Q has a range of 5 and a bit abyss tiles (12.75-13 meters? Again, rough estimates because of uneven scalloped edges)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/0RdoS61-GHM
Significance: Better understanding of Dendro MC's ability range
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Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademySun, August 28, 2022 at 07:18 PM
Finding: DMC's Burst snapshots.

Evidence:
1) unbuffed and buffed damage https://youtu.be/qEDSHPB69rM
2) Sara's feather buffs DMC in the middle of animation. Buff persists through entire burst duration. https://youtu.be/3wVlyYkoifo
3) DMC gets buffed after his Burst, then lamp recieves Hydro transfiguration. Damage doesn't change. https://youtu.be/Lj8CxcLmZLo

Significance: rotation optimization and calcs.
Finding: DMC's Lea Lotus Lamp attacks immediately after it undergoes transfiguration.

Evidence: Hydro transfiguration. Note that the total number of hits increased to 10 from 9 at C0. https://youtu.be/Lj8CxcLmZLo

Electro transfiguration https://youtu.be/hUKuLc97ILk

Significance: optimized rotations.
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asaki_tmkMon, August 29, 2022 at 01:36 PM
Finding: 0-DMG Elemental Attacks can trigger DMC’s Burst Transfiguration

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/QGNQHxZ

Significance: 0-DMG stuff.
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pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tMon, August 29, 2022 at 03:22 PM
@good enough >> best since u asked if we need dmc stuff earlier

1. does dmc Q pre-transf share ICD with electro, hydro or pyro transfigurations
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Reply to Avatar asaki_tmk: Finding: 0-DMG Elemental Attacks can trigger DMC’s Burst Transfiguration
good enough >> bestMon, August 29, 2022 at 09:31 PM
Going off this message

Finding: Self-application of Pyro from Bennett burst and Xinyan shield doesn't transfigure Dendro MC's burst.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/E3ljB4bAkxk
Significance: More EGT stuff, better understanding of Dendro MC's kit.
Self-Application of Pyro From Bennett and Xinyan Doesn't Explode De...
I feel like I need to test all the zero dmg but self-applies element abilities here or something. I don't want to so I won't.
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daibangdenTue, August 30, 2022 at 12:34 AM
can we just combine all findings about DMC's burst interaction with elements into 1 finding?
Example: DMC's burst before transfiguration behaves as an object with dendro aura, can hold cryo and only undergo transfiguration with elemental application which follows srp, after transfiguration it loses all those properties
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zakharov29229Tue, August 30, 2022 at 06:47 AM
Finding: DMC C2 with electro transfiguration hits 18 times and applies dendro 6 times
Evidence: https://youtu.be/PaaM0a2eknY
Significance: DMC ICD
Finding: DMC C2 without electro transfiguration hits 11 times and applies dendro 6 times
Evidence: https://youtu.be/qmH4FxLHWmU
Significance: DMC ICD
Finding: DMC C1 makes 3.5 energy regardless of the number of enemies hit
Evidence: After using QE (making 2 particles), the same amount of energy is in DMC's energy bar when hitting 1 enemy as when hitting 7 https://youtu.be/ubpZ7e-BJ7c
Significance: energy generation
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nzpiefaceWed, August 31, 2022 at 01:55 PM
Finding: DMC Burst does not transfigure from 0 gauge attacks.
Evidence: Lisa's 0 gauge Electro attack from her Burst. https://youtu.be/Q3UaOc02wHE
dmc q does not transfigure from 0 gauge attacks
lisa opening 0 gauge attack (10% attack scaling thing) does not transfigure dmc q
Finding: DMC Burst can hold Frozen aura. It can also Shatter from this.
Evidence: Shatter sfx and vfx. https://youtu.be/OPiJYAu33Rw

Note: Crystallize is from underlying Cryo from Kaeya's Skill.
dmc q can hold frozen aura
it can also shatter from it. the crystallize is from underlying cryo.
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lunaflawSun, September 4, 2022 at 04:30 AM
Finding (Might be a Bug): DMC's A4 doesn't get bonus DMG from Sucrose's A4 EM sharing

Evidence: No difference in E damage before and after receiving the buff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C17zNG5EFLo

Significance: EM buffs based on % scaling might not work with DMC's A4 as well
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Reply to Avatar lunaflaw: Finding (Might be a Bug): DMC's A4 doesn't get bonus DMG from Sucrose's A4 EM sharing
asaki_tmkSun, September 4, 2022 at 04:58 AM
This is intended, not a bug
It’s been established since v1.6
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daibangdenSun, September 4, 2022 at 05:04 AM
this is different
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wrong pingSun, September 4, 2022 at 05:07 AM
Finding: DMC's A4 effect on their burst damage snapshots the EM stat they have when they go off-field and updates it when they come back on-field.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/CTq-sKOGJ8k

Significance: Useful to know for rotation optimization and damage calculations.
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lunaflawMon, September 5, 2022 at 02:58 AM
Finding: DMC's A4 acts like a DMG% bonus

Evidence: Numbers in-game checks out with calc when A4 bonus is added as DMG% (124EM*0.15%(E))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upIJy5j04GI


Significance: Useful to know for damage calculations taking into consideration DMC's A4
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asaki_tmkMon, September 5, 2022 at 04:09 AM
Would you mind explaining to me how they are different?

This is how I’m understanding it. The additional E DMG Bonus confers DMC’s EM, which can be increased from Sucrose’s EM (A4). So the EM part that’s coming from Sucrose A4 won’t be calculated.
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Reply to Avatar asaki_tmk: Would you mind explaining to me how they are different?
daibangdenMon, September 5, 2022 at 04:40 AM
in the case of Sucrose and Kazuha was to prevent infinite buff stacking which the 2 themself CANNOT do, they only do that just incase later when a character can convert %dmg to EM for party get added to the game, DMC does not give buff to party base on % of their stats
just a simple test you can just use Sucrose E on enemy and then Shinobu E to see if the healing increased
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Reply to Avatar daibangden: in the case of Sucrose and Kazuha was to prevent infinite buff stacking which the 2 themself CANNOT do, they only do that just incase later when a character can convert %dmg to EM for party get added to the game, DMC does not give buff to party base on % of their stats
asaki_tmkMon, September 5, 2022 at 04:42 AM
hmm, I see what u mean. I don't have Kuki though so I'll just take ur word at it.
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emmausMon, September 5, 2022 at 02:58 PM
Kuki does increase heals when Sucrose shares em
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wrong pingMon, September 5, 2022 at 11:58 PM
Finding: For spreads triggered by DMC's burst hits:

- AdditiveReactionDamage (flat number added to multiplier) is calculated dynamically with respect to DMC's A1.
- The spread's total damage is calculated with the snapshotted A4 dmg% bonus for that lamp hit.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/yBj6R-wJGxs

Significance: Provides confirmation for doing calculations.
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lunaflawTue, September 6, 2022 at 11:38 PM
Finding: Doing superconduct reaction with DMC's Lamp object doesn't count as a reaction for 2electro resonance nor 4 instructor
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/0QpAC7OS0f8
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daibangdenWed, September 7, 2022 at 01:34 AM
i knew someone is gonna make it :ohno:
no one cares about my ticket at all
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wrong pingMon, September 26, 2022 at 05:05 AM
Finding: DMC snapshots 2 Mistsplitter Reforged stacks on burst.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/T89I6T131uM
Burst hits in the video do 858 damage, as expected with 2 MS stacks (additional 16% DMG bonus).
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thegaminseshionSun, October 2, 2022 at 08:13 PM
Finding: First noticed by @ntagama, Oz will target an untransformed Lotus Lamp when summoned without other targets. When enemies are present Oz will prioritize the enemies.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/0BUzZ49uZak
Oz is summoned outside of the range for Oz's pulse to transform the lamp, proceeds to target the lamp directly for the transformation and then stops attacking.

Significance Players can have Oz transform a lamp when no enemies are around (Between waves and Oz was already on-field, etc.).
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paichlearMon, October 3, 2022 at 07:31 PM
Finding: Transfiguration timings

- Transfiguring the Lamp delays the following tick, causing the last tick to hit after 15s (assuming the Lamp timer starts when the first tick hits the enemy).
- At C2, the Lamp hits 11 times with Hydro and 17 times with Electro by default, but:
-- If Hydro Transfiguration occurs within 0.15s before or 0.37s after any ticks, it's 12 times in total
-- If Electro Transfiguration occurs within 0.87s after the 1st tick or between 1.15s and 1.75s after the 1st tick, it's 18 times in total
- A1 timer starts when the Burst is casted, not when the first tick hits.
- The 5 stacks from C4 are applied to the 2nd tick even if the Lamp is transfigured before the 1st tick, and its timing is independent from regular A1 stacks (which stays 1 per second).

Evidence: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wXFbFspRFZYJx0k70cGO7LQYl5_AHiLTNBAi-M-aRFI/edit?usp=sharing
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nzpiefaceWed, November 2, 2022 at 01:10 PM
Finding: Q will proc Pyro effect from enemy Burning aura. (The AoE spreading part.)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/C6wIhSCPwl8
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emperorofnutsWed, November 9, 2022 at 04:52 AM
@paichlear what do we need tested for c6
i have c6
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Reply to Avatar emperorofnuts: @paichlear what do we need tested for c6
paichlearWed, November 9, 2022 at 04:31 PM
- whether or not it can be snapshotted
- when the buff starts and ends/whether or not it lingers after the lamp is visibly gone and for how long
- how long the pyro dmg bonus lasts
eh i got it

Finding: Hydro/Electro/Pyro DMG Bonus starts as soon as the Lamp is transfigured and ends when it disappears (in the case of Pyro it's about 2 seconds in total). The buff appears on the stat screen and can be snapshotted.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/W4hQbNh00uU

Finding: Dendro DMG Bonus starts when the Lamp is placed down and ends when it disappears, but it does not apply to DMC's Burst since it snapshots slightly before C6 starts.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/cg18z2aHpHI
First tick damage: (1961*1.703)*(1+0.001*(35+6))*(1+2.272)*((90+100)/((90+100)+(85+100)))*(1-0.1)=5187.058
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