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do-shields-“snapshot”
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Theory/Finding/Bug: Title of your submission

Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or YouTube/Imgur proofs

Significance: Conclusion
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 05:35 PM
Hi
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tamakomarketSun, December 29, 2024 at 05:37 PM
hi
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lesterberneSun, December 29, 2024 at 05:37 PM
hI
current hypothesis is yes for HP, DEF, ATK, EM but not for shield strength buffs right?
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 05:55 PM
no need for proving shield strength cuz layla or zhongli etc has that built-in already
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:00 PM
Isn’t shield strength dependent on the active unit
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 06:03 PM
these characters increase shield strength of 'the character who is protected by their shield"
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:04 PM
Who is EM shielder
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 06:05 PM
not released yet
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:06 PM
Might as well test all the stats
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lesterberneSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:06 PM
citlali-chan
new video dropped about kits
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:06 PM
I guess Citlali EM and Lanyan ATK gotta wait
susge1
Xinyan DEF?
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lesterberneSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:07 PM
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:07 PM
Noelle is easier
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lesterberneSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:08 PM
her e cd is long tho
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 06:15 PM
So, the test is:
1) shield
2) shield + stat after creation
3) shield + stat before creation
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nzpiefaceSun, December 29, 2024 at 07:31 PM
yknow ive always wondered
do they increase shield strength of all shields
or is it just the their shield
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 07:32 PM
their shield ig
but you don't really use 2 or more shield in one team anyway
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nzpiefaceSun, December 29, 2024 at 07:33 PM
:pepela:
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haafrSun, December 29, 2024 at 08:30 PM
shield strength can't apply to a shield
its a character stat
they give shield strength to the active character, it applies to all shields
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nzpiefaceSun, December 29, 2024 at 08:51 PM
oh huh
cool
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 08:51 PM
yeah but you need to be protected by this character to get that buff
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xochiyohSun, December 29, 2024 at 08:51 PM
iirc shield strength can be seen as just a dmg reduction stat for shields (which works differently from actual dmg reduction because it scales differently and is an independent multiplier)
like if u have 35% shield strength currently, then ur shields will take 1/1.35 = 0.74x dmg
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 08:52 PM
so you need to activate both of their shields
so if A shield character has shield strength buff while B shielder doesnt
if you lose A shield earlier due to weaker shield, A wont give you the strength anymore
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xochiyohSun, December 29, 2024 at 08:57 PM
depends on the shield strength source
zhongli's will disappear but thoma's won't
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 08:58 PM
thoma is special ya
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xochiyohSun, December 29, 2024 at 08:58 PM
When the Jade Shield takes DMG, it will Fortify:
Fortified characters have 5% increased Shield Strength.
Can stack up to 5 times, and lasts until the Jade Shield disappears.

When your current active character obtains or refreshes a Blazing Barrier, this character's Shield Strength will increase by 5% for 6s.
This effect can be triggered once every 0.3 seconds. Max 5 stacks.
totm is also separate from any shield
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 09:00 PM
mhm so they just provide it cuz their shield can break and regenerate, not instant like other shields
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xochiyohSun, December 29, 2024 at 09:01 PM
or because the will of hoyo is transient
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 09:03 PM
Kirara's shield snapshots
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 09:04 PM
no i mean if these stacking shielders have such "protected" condition, some may ask like, "then do u need to make them restack these buff when the shields break or remain them seperately?". w/e annoying thing to consider. so they just make it simple
unless they are willing to write 2x longer skill description for that
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xochiyohSun, December 29, 2024 at 09:06 PM
it wouldn't have to be much longer
ur probably right but we cant know what hoyo wanted
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xochiyohSun, December 29, 2024 at 09:08 PM
they could just add "while the character has a blazing barrier"
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 09:10 PM
so now do we calc the hypothetically increased amount of shield is bigger than one tick of burning
or is it too obvious lol
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 09:10 PM
kirara's shield lasted 1s longer with food before shield
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caxia5Sun, December 29, 2024 at 09:11 PM
oh
this server doesnt have okayge emotes :Sadge:
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mikeskiesSun, December 29, 2024 at 09:47 PM
Noelle's shield also snapshots
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Magic StarMon, December 30, 2024 at 12:16 AM
Wait what's the context for this ticket.
I don't think it's needed but ping me if you need me to test C4 Kaeya sheild :pepela:
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 12:19 AM
Everyone assumes shields snapshot on creation but it doesn’t appear that it was ever confirmed.
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Just testing different shields.
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 05:52 AM
i dont think snapshot is really the right term if thats too technical of me
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 05:59 AM
why not?
these shields are not changing in value when the character's stats change after the shield is created
pyronado's damage does not change in value when xiangling's stats change after the pyronado is created
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tamakomarketMon, December 30, 2024 at 02:19 PM
well i mean if snapshot is not the right term here then it wouldn't be right anywhere else

character could just get more DEF midway and their shield would last longer
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 02:20 PM
The next thing to test is shields which regenerate or are constantly created after skill use
like Thoma shield
GanyuSip1
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 07:26 PM
and kirara maybe
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 07:28 PM
are you sure they aren't just expiring from time
they all last very close to 12s
and you took a notably different amount of time to go from shield creation to bennett e in each clip, which would result in a different amount of ticks if the shield is expiring from time rather than damage
assuming it snapshots, the 2nd clip should have the same shield hp as the 1st, but i count ~34 ticks in the 1st and ~31 in the 2nd
and ~32 in the 3rd?
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 07:34 PM
Kirara shield lasts 12s
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 07:34 PM
noelle too
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 07:37 PM
Noelle’s is prob more difficult. But Kirara shield ends before 12s is up
8-9s
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 07:37 PM
yes i was just talking about the noelle video
we can test by seeing how much dmg is done through a shield with a big attack
instead of burning
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:06 PM
yeah its silly thing its hard to explain, so i dropped my point, its not important anyways. i just think from a functional standpoint an object that loses a value over time introduces problems if the value changes when buffs dissipate, as opposed to snapshotting damage where it doesnt exactly have the same dillema or functional problems if it doesnt exist. but yeah thats kinda just semantics lol
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:12 PM
they could just change the remaining shield hp by a % equal to the % that the max shield hp would change by
or keep track of damage taken rather than remaining hp
and break when dmg taken > max hp
though the 2nd approach would sometimes result in the shield breaking at a moment when you don't take dmg
unless you specifically make that impossible
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:17 PM
9.28 vs 9.17 vs 9.22 for time from damage to shield break for each which is conspucuously close
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:17 PM
for kirara?
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:17 PM
for the clip for noelle nikeskies posted
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:17 PM
oh
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:18 PM
so it seems uh, probably not limited by shield strength here
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:18 PM
yeah i was thinking lvl 80 noelle shield is just gonna be too strong for this
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:18 PM
Yeah
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:18 PM
overkill should work
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Mon, December 30, 2024 at 10:18 PM
burning seems to me like the most difficult way to prove this yeah lol
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:19 PM
how much damage does a burning grass tick do
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Mon, December 30, 2024 at 10:19 PM
i think it depends on fucking zone levels
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:19 PM
ok yeah it does but i just mean like around how much :ICANT:
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:20 PM
It is and it isn’t. The buff from food is so small that you need smaller ticks to see if there’s a difference.
ohno1
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:20 PM
in these clips it's 113 after the shield breaks
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:20 PM
Oh you can?
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:20 PM
just like any other dmg number
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:21 PM
Oh you mean HP loss from taking dmg right
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:21 PM
mhm
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:21 PM
Does fall dmg work
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:21 PM
hmm
i think that ignores shields
yeah it's hp loss not dmg
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:21 PM
what talent level is your noelle shield
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:22 PM
Probably decent if she was lvl 80 for some reason
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:22 PM
actually it doesnt really matter her shield is still too big lmao
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Mon, December 30, 2024 at 10:22 PM
just get hit by geovishap or something and check the overkill number
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:22 PM
80/90 no artifacts level 4 talent she absorbs 4k
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:23 PM
fall dmg would also be annoying because you might not get the exact same fall
but it ignores shields anyways
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:23 PM
What’s a good boss
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:23 PM
crystallize shield strength is based on the em of the holder though iirc
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Mon, December 30, 2024 at 10:23 PM
oh fck
wait thats an early way to test em scaling
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:23 PM
for?
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Mon, December 30, 2024 at 10:24 PM
we dont need to wait... literally less than 24 hours for new release
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:24 PM
To get whacked by
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:24 PM
azhdaha :pepela:
diona could work
eh maybe not
does anyone have a low level shielder
or maybe we just wait till next patch we can use citlali
im pulling her so i can test it before i level her too much (or someone else if they want)
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:31 PM
I’ll be busy doing clorinde Mav Pmc testing soon
I’ll try tonight on Kirara again
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:32 PM
everyonems shields are too thick
for a 12k shield it has to be like ~4k or under
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:33 PM
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mikeskiesMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:34 PM
3
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:34 PM
her sacrifice was invaluable o7
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:35 PM
o7
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 10:43 PM
why?
also it helps if u swap to a low lvl char
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Mon, December 30, 2024 at 10:53 PM
a valiant sacrifice
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 11:33 PM
i meant 12s shield
~100 dps ticks for 12s is ~4.8k
also i think a lot of us dont have low level shielders :pepela:
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 11:34 PM
oh ic
well burning grass ticks more than once per second
but anyways i like overkill much more
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 11:35 PM
yes 4*100*12=4800
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 11:36 PM
that's 400 dps not 100 dps
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenMon, December 30, 2024 at 11:36 PM
100 *damage
if i just said 100 it would look awkward nobody talk about damage under 1k it makes it confusing :sobhuehue:
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xochiyohMon, December 30, 2024 at 11:36 PM
oh :ohno:
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:18 AM
citlali shield "snapshots"
wrong videos :OMEGALUL:
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xochiyohWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:20 AM
is it just me or is the time between shield flashes inconsistent
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:20 AM
yeah very
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xochiyohWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:20 AM
it's also clearly less than the time between dmg ticks which could be problematic
also we'd need confirmation that someone has a significant amount of em in the party for these videos to be admissible
and that the citlali build is the same etc
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:22 AM
uh nahida? 😭
well you can see citlali hp doesnt change, she has no artifacts, ill take a pick of nahida stat screen
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xochiyohWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:22 AM
ig her minimum em is 115.2
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:22 AM
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xochiyohWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:22 AM
picture isnt proof
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:23 AM
😭
"trust me bro my build on nahida hasnt changed in months and i didnt swap the part at all"?
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xochiyohWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:23 AM
yeah :KEKpat:
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Gay Lady Ellie, CEO of Gay WomenWed, January 1, 2025 at 03:24 AM
:KEKpat:
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Sun, January 5, 2025 at 09:38 PM
has anyone thought about snapshotting 4pc totm yet btw
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Sun, January 5, 2025 at 09:39 PM
doesnt it give shield strength
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xochiyohSun, January 5, 2025 at 09:39 PM
we already know shield strength is unsnapshottable
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dust | keq quide 6.0 update out!Sun, January 5, 2025 at 09:39 PM
ah
okay nvm then
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xochiyohSun, January 5, 2025 at 09:40 PM
surely that's in tcl right :clueless:
i don't think it is
:ohno:
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pjeljrSun, January 19, 2025 at 10:05 PM
Lan Yan should be releasing in a few days so hopefully we can get more testing done on her
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mikeskiesSun, January 19, 2025 at 11:48 PM
I know I was shooting the bot
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xochiyohSun, January 19, 2025 at 11:49 PM
oh :HuTaokek:
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Lethroz | #1 Snail 🐌Tue, January 21, 2025 at 12:58 PM
PJ asked me to post it here
Finding : Lanyan Shield does snapshot
Finding : Less dmg taken after snapshotting her shield with bennet buff
https://youtu.be/3yubjMnJHkA
https://youtu.be/vEB05Muagz0
Significance : Snapshotting
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mikeskiesTue, January 21, 2025 at 01:09 PM
Nice
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mikeskiesTue, January 21, 2025 at 01:11 PM
Can you do one more test?
Make her shield, then use Bennett Q then take damage while she’s in Bennett Q
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Lethroz | #1 Snail 🐌Tue, January 21, 2025 at 01:12 PM
Okay
T11 ATK 2065 - DMG TAKEN 1584
ATK 3241 (Benny Buff) - DMG TAKEN 0
@mikeskies
wait wrong vid
E cast -> Walk to benny Q - DMG TAKEN 1584
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mikeskiesTue, January 21, 2025 at 01:32 PM
Cool
So snapshot confirmed
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Lethroz | #1 Snail 🐌Tue, January 21, 2025 at 01:32 PM
yeah
im testing a bit of double swirl rn. coz she can get absorption from self aura
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tamakomarketFri, January 24, 2025 at 04:10 AM
i think we just close this ticket already lol, there are more than enough evidence
shields do snapshot done
treat shield strength the same way you treat RES
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mikeskiesFri, January 24, 2025 at 04:12 AM
Yes think we’re done
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xochiyohFri, January 24, 2025 at 04:13 AM
it could depend on the shield, especially for ones like thoma that are unique
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mikeskiesFri, January 31, 2025 at 12:36 PM
Someone test thoma :Gladge:
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nzpiefaceFri, January 31, 2025 at 06:12 PM
mf you do it
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mikeskiesFri, January 31, 2025 at 06:12 PM
im someone too
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pjeljrFri, February 7, 2025 at 09:00 AM
how should we go about it? using hp% buffing food?
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mikeskiesFri, February 7, 2025 at 12:34 PM
Yeah… Thoma needs 3 test layers…before Q, after Q before NA and after Q and NA
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@mikeskies
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mikeskiesFri, February 14, 2025 at 11:17 PM
:ClorPray:
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is_this_maddieSat, February 22, 2025 at 02:52 AM
buddy
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mikeskiesSat, February 22, 2025 at 12:10 PM
I’ll test thoma one day
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mikeskiesSat, March 1, 2025 at 12:26 PM
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🛡️ 📸
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shrimp 虾Wed, March 12, 2025 at 05:20 PM
@Lethroz | #1 Snail 🐌 sorry for ping but do you know if the capybara local legend always does the exact same first attack? i was trying to see if i could record for thoma's shield using the same setup as your lan yan vids, but the results seem inconsistent, and idk if it's because the boss's first attack varies or something else
specifically, Q N1 no buff is somehow giving me a stronger shield than Q N1 -> buff, which feels very incorrect lol
even if his shield snapshots it should at least be the same strength i feel like
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xochiyohWed, March 12, 2025 at 06:07 PM
yeah :hmmok:
u had the same resonance both times?
both of the simple attacks should do the same dmg
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shrimp 虾Thu, March 13, 2025 at 02:00 AM
idk if i'm doing something wrong :ohno:
XingqiuHow1
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xochiyohThu, March 13, 2025 at 02:06 AM
huh
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shrimp 虾Thu, March 13, 2025 at 02:10 AM
the other clips with buffs make sense, just the one with no buff that idk what is going on with it
ok the only possibility i could think of is timing with his a1, since in both the vids it seems to be about 6s between na and getting hit, so maybe his shield strength buff is running out in one of the clips and not the other
will test more
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xochiyohThu, March 13, 2025 at 09:39 PM
oh true
you could take the hit with a different character onfield to make sure they dont have his a1 buff
keqnote1
so u dont have to worry about timing
as long as u create the shield without that character being onfield
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shrimp 虾Fri, March 14, 2025 at 04:11 AM
alright seems consistent now, i'll upload the vids
thoma Q -> N1, no buffs - 14884 dmg taken
thoma Q -> N1 -> HP buff - 14884 dmg taken
thoma Q -> HP buff -> N1 - 14854 dmg taken
thoma HP buff -> Q -> N1 - 14854 dmg taken
seems that base shield does not snapshot, but shield refresh snapshots hp at the moment the normal attack hits
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xochiyohFri, March 14, 2025 at 04:59 AM
what about q > n1 > buff > n1
compared to being buffed for both n1s
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shrimp 虾Fri, March 14, 2025 at 05:04 AM
lemme test it rq
thoma Q -> N1 -> HP buff -> N1 - 14453 dmg taken
thoma Q -> HP buff -> N1 -> N1 - 14422 dmg taken
looks like the second shield refresh is also snapshotting