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enviromental-damage-interaction-with-on-kill-effects
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TiBotThu, July 14, 2022 at 05:11 PM
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This ticket has been renamed to
Fall damage and drowning does not proc on kill effects by @Nilactouse .
Nilactouse .Thu, July 14, 2022 at 05:33 PM
Finding:
Enemy deaths caused by the environment (fall damage, drowning, burning grass, electrified water) does not proc weapon passives with on kill requirements.
Evidence:
The passive of White Iron Greatsword reads:
Therefore if fall damage and drowning counts as "defeating an opponent", the wielder should restore some HP. Testing shows that no HP is restored.
https://youtu.be/PmVZXl6ORZ4
https://youtu.be/GGMIRwSVtAo
https://youtu.be/IONdx774YfE
Significance:
Deaths by the environment are inevitable in the overworld and can be taken advantage of by characters like Jean. However, those "kills" will not count towards on kill effects and could lead to lower passive uptime.
Enemy deaths caused by the environment (fall damage, drowning, burning grass, electrified water) does not proc weapon passives with on kill requirements.
Evidence:
The passive of White Iron Greatsword reads:
Defeating an opponent restores 16% HP.
Therefore if fall damage and drowning counts as "defeating an opponent", the wielder should restore some HP. Testing shows that no HP is restored.
https://youtu.be/PmVZXl6ORZ4
https://youtu.be/GGMIRwSVtAo
https://youtu.be/IONdx774YfE
Significance:
Deaths by the environment are inevitable in the overworld and can be taken advantage of by characters like Jean. However, those "kills" will not count towards on kill effects and could lead to lower passive uptime.
I have not tested this with any Blackcliff weapons as I don't have any, and I have not tested death via fire
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, July 14, 2022 at 05:35 PM
wait, death via burning grass is also interesting
do u have xinyan/diluc?
TiBotThu, July 14, 2022 at 09:53 PM
This ticket has been renamed to
enviromental damage interaction with on kill effects by @Nilactouse .
nzpiefaceThu, July 14, 2022 at 10:40 PM
do you want to test this with character scaling burn, also
i thought this was in the library
Nilactouse .Thu, July 14, 2022 at 10:41 PM
what do you mean by burn, do you mean the reaction between pyro and dendro?
nzpiefaceThu, July 14, 2022 at 10:42 PM
yes
imma just check library
Nilactouse .Thu, July 14, 2022 at 10:43 PM
I dunno, rath gave me this lead so I assumed they knew it wasn't documented 
nzpiefaceThu, July 14, 2022 at 10:43 PM
oh doesnt seem to be in library
Nilactouse .Thu, July 14, 2022 at 10:52 PM
eeeh not really, I don't even know where to find a dendro slime to test on
actually wait that's a lie I do know one spot
nzpiefaceThu, July 14, 2022 at 10:52 PM
dont use dendro slimes
find a dendro samachurl
Nilactouse .Thu, July 14, 2022 at 10:52 PM
it can self aura?
nzpiefaceThu, July 14, 2022 at 10:53 PM
i mean find one so it can apply dendro aura to another enemy
i mean find one so it can apply dendro aura to another enemyNilactouse .Thu, July 14, 2022 at 10:55 PM
can it even do that? I thought it can only apply dendro to players
aeveanleeowThu, July 14, 2022 at 11:54 PM
it can self aura
it can also apply to other enemies
its aimed at you but anything inside incl itself also gets dendroed
Nilactouse .Thu, July 14, 2022 at 11:55 PM
if we are going to test the burning reaction we might as well try the other transformative reactions (swirl, electro-charged, superconduct, overload, shatter)
all of those reactions create a new instance of damage
if an enemy were to die from that, will it proc?
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:18 AM
scope creep my beloved
fall damage to just environment to now just a general investigation of what counts for the kill
burning doesnt seem to work, do u want the videos on imgur / youtube ?
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:20 AM
I think either will work
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:21 AM
nah i mean either of them
cuz if u want my footage itll be delayed as fuck cuz i hate uploading
like when the ticket is done lol
but also
do these weapons generally
have the green healing text ?
when they proc
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:22 AM
yes, I've killed a boar absentmindedly during my testing
and it shows the green text
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:22 AM
ok
im gonna try ec then
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:23 AM
I don't quite follow
could you elaborate?
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:23 AM
basically what im asking is if u want my videos or nah
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:24 AM
uh sure
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:24 AM
π₯²
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:24 AM
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:25 AM
wait hows ec even work
why im only getting 1 tick
nvm im not doing ec
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:26 AM
honestly I don't even know how EC works
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:26 AM
sc it is
fuck oz killed em
why did i even
fuck the sc didnt do the final blow
need me some purple slimes
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:29 AM
sc?
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:29 AM
yea
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:30 AM
what's that?
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:30 AM
where electro slime aaadewas
superconduct
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:30 AM
oh
yeah use chongyun or eula
I'm assuming you were using recurve on fischl?
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 12:31 AM
yea
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 12:38 AM
could have done an aimed shot instead of using oz 
Magnus Artifex | Xilo C2 betFri, July 15, 2022 at 01:26 AM
Does dying from the electro application of an electro seelie via reaction count here?
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 01:33 AM
I can't see why that would count, the player isn't even the one applying the element
Memento MoriFri, July 15, 2022 at 10:38 AM
Hydro + electro = dmg ;)
More specifically, it consumes 0.4 gauge of each element per tick until none left
Correct me if wrong
aeveanleeowFri, July 15, 2022 at 04:23 PM
that is my understanding as well but there wouldnt have been so many ec tickets if it were that simple
so i will remain happily clueless
Nilactouse .Fri, July 15, 2022 at 05:03 PM
mihoyo please leak EC code 
nzpiefaceSun, July 17, 2022 at 01:15 AM
ec is the only reaction that cares about ping afaik
ec is the only reaction that cares about ping afaikgood shit
daibangdenSun, July 17, 2022 at 03:24 PM
well technically if enemy died of fall dmg then you didnt actually kill them
they died of of natural cause which is gravity
they died of of natural cause which is gravity
TiBotSun, July 24, 2022 at 03:30 PM
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This channel hasn't been active in the past week!Nilactouse .Sun, July 31, 2022 at 03:24 AM
the only remaining ways for an enemy to die is lightning and electrified water(?)
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effab1eTue, August 16, 2022 at 09:44 AM
@Nilactouse . alivege?
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TibotTue, August 30, 2022 at 10:00 AM
@Nilactouse . 
are you finishing this? if it's still up next week we'll nuke it into #wangsheng-publishing-parlor
are you finishing this? if it's still up next week we'll nuke it into #wangsheng-publishing-parlorNilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 03:34 AM
Does anyone know if there is any shallow electrified water? It's like the water the raimei angelfish hang out in that you can't freeze
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 04:31 AM
would this place be shallow enough?
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 04:46 AM
Nah it needs to be shallow enough that you can walk in it without swimming
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 04:47 AM
ill run around to check other places
i remember the pool of water below the shrine used to be shallow enough
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 04:54 AM
this should work yea?
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 04:56 AM
Not sure, can you get a monster to fall in without drowning?
I guess it depends on how tall it is
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 04:57 AM
the height of the water zhongli is standing should be able to accomodate most of the mobs in the game
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 04:57 AM
I want to find out if electrified water can damage enemies
Oh I didn't realize he was standing in water
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 04:58 AM
theres those nobushi and kairagi nearby, ill try get them in after i get bored of abyss 12 again
idk how long till i get bored
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 04:58 AM
If you do try it out, test it with a weapon with an on kill effect
It might take a while for the enemy to die though
If they can even be damaged by it
Again not sure
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 05:00 AM
a weapon with a kill effect... so blackcliff will work right...
i dont have anything else with a kill effect
i dont have anything else with a kill effect
rarepossumSat, September 3, 2022 at 05:02 AM
Theres also bloodstained chivalry
and recurve bow
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 05:02 AM
i have neither of those
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 05:03 AM
Do you have the white iron great sword?
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 05:04 AM
nope!
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 05:04 AM
Oh dang
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 05:05 AM
yea... blackcliff spear is the only weapon ive got on hand that has a kill effect
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 05:05 AM
That should work
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 05:05 AM
i dont farm bsc domain at all
Nilactouse .Sat, September 3, 2022 at 05:05 AM
As long as you can check your attack before and after enemy death
LimeSat, September 3, 2022 at 04:27 PM
ill do it after my exams
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This channel hasn't been active in the past week!LimeMon, September 12, 2022 at 04:56 AM
they dont wanna come over to take a swim...
screw it, im drowning them all
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@Nilactouse . what's the situation on this
if it's still dead by next week it'll be archived
Nilactouse .Sun, October 2, 2022 at 06:07 AM
it's pretty much done, we have covered almost every damage type that can be caused indirectly by the player
effab1eSun, October 2, 2022 at 06:08 AM
then you can close the ticket if you're satisfied
Nilactouse .Sun, October 2, 2022 at 06:08 AM
oic
TiBotSun, October 2, 2022 at 06:08 AM
Ticket closed by @Nilactouse .. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or
/open.effab1eSun, October 2, 2022 at 06:08 AM
( ΛΆα΅ α΅ α΅ΛΆ ) <3 | CasdelaSun, October 2, 2022 at 06:14 AM
Hang on are you not gonna update the write-up?
It only includes death by fall dmg and drowning as of now
What about those death by burning, EC vids posted in this ticket?Are you not gonna include it?
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It only includes death by fall dmg and drowning as of now
What about those death by burning, EC vids posted in this ticket?Are you not gonna include it?
1TiBotWed, October 5, 2022 at 12:00 AM
Ticket re-opened by @Nilactouse .
Nilactouse .Wed, October 5, 2022 at 12:00 AM
oh 
ill do that later today
okay i updated it, should it be good to close now? @effab1e
effab1eThu, October 6, 2022 at 02:22 AM
sure thing
TiBotThu, October 6, 2022 at 02:24 AM
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