KQM | Genshin Impact
eosf-interactions-with-er-buffs
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TiBotMon, July 8, 2024 at 07:36 PM
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Significance: Conclusion
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xochiyohMon, July 8, 2024 at 07:36 PM
most likely, only the scaling ones won't work because of the % to % thing
but idk i wanna test at least some of them
also wait
i wonder if emc's buff would work for eosf if you don't have their a4 activated
cuz then it's just 20 flat
https://youtu.be/Cte74JHfWe8
AMC's C2 goes into EoSF's Burst DMG%
If C2 does go into EoSF:
436 (ATK) * 1.3736 (Scaling) * 1.399 (DMG%) * 0.5067 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 382.08
If C2 doesn't go into EoSF:
436 (ATK) * 1.3736 (Scaling) * 1.359 (DMG%) * 0.5067 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 371.16
Actual DMG: 382
436 (ATK) * 1.3736 (Scaling) * 1.399 (DMG%) * 0.5067 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 382.08
If C2 doesn't go into EoSF:
436 (ATK) * 1.3736 (Scaling) * 1.359 (DMG%) * 0.5067 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 371.16
Actual DMG: 382
xochiyohMon, July 8, 2024 at 10:20 PM
oh actually the vid already in tcl has a lvl 20 emc
so despite it being a flat buff it doesn't go into eosf
unexpected
but makes sense that they would just flag the whole thing as a % buff even though it's only actually % based with a4
xochiyohMon, July 8, 2024 at 11:24 PM
yeah any of the non bolded ones
it's likely that all the self buffs will work
so mainly xiphos and dori c4 are important ig
though i think xiphos is already in tcl somewhere
dori c4 isn't
oh lol
the control video for xiphos actually doesn't show raiden having emblem so it's not proof
we do need a xiphos recording then
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 12:50 PM
gonna send collei c1 in a sec
absolutely no one saw me send it the first time
question, how do you even test keqing a4
i cant think of how
you can't turn it off, it just lasts
and it lasts longer than her burst damage obviously
and it lasts longer than her burst damage obviously
taylor_series19Tue, July 9, 2024 at 01:04 PM
Just check the dmg numbers. Keqing's burst doesn't snapshot.
And you just calc the dmg numbers on her burst.
And you just calc the dmg numbers on her burst.
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 01:05 PM
1
keqing mentionedthx taylor
taylor shows up INSTANTLY
1taylor_series19Tue, July 9, 2024 at 01:05 PM
hearttofhopeTue, July 9, 2024 at 01:15 PM
keq a4 works
1
1I can test dori c4 I think
(idr if I have c4)
How do I test this
I can't burst with <50% ER
Oh wait I can use a burst that doesn't snapshot
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 01:20 PM
use xingqiu burst and battery him midway through i guess
hearttofhopeTue, July 9, 2024 at 01:21 PM
Oh true
staryy_Tue, July 9, 2024 at 01:23 PM
EL works do you want vid proof
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 01:25 PM
xo probably does yes
hearttofhopeTue, July 9, 2024 at 01:35 PM
Less dmg after dori burst expired
So it does count
Wait I didn't show gear
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 01:39 PM
first time i recorded this i forgot to show that she was on eosf LMFAO
1
1xochiyohTue, July 9, 2024 at 04:45 PM
eosf shouldn't be snapshottable anyways i don't think
thanks everyone 
caramel 🧁Tue, July 9, 2024 at 05:15 PM
xochiyohTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:19 PM
the collei video
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:20 PM
i dont think collei burst snapshots
xochiyohTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:20 PM
it does
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:21 PM
is the fandom wiki lying to me
xochiyohTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:21 PM
xochiyohTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:21 PM
when wiki doesn't say anything about snapshotting it doesn't mean anything
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:21 PM
got it
xochiyohTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:22 PM
i should add that it snapshots
but yea it only tells u the ability doesn't snapshot if it explicitly says so
if there's no snapshotting line then it could go either way
dusted windTue, July 9, 2024 at 05:24 PM
ok
nzpiefaceWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:38 AM
i thought we tested this ages ago in the library
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:38 AM
it's incomplete at least nowadays
and the xiphos proof was faulty
nzpiefaceWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:39 AM
have you managed to find any cases where it works different from other cases
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:39 AM
so far everything has gone into eosf except emc
we haven't tried xiphos yet
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:41 AM
this one isn't enough evidence for tcl
i should compile the ones we have so far
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:45 AM
also part of it is that i think these should be listed under eosf as well
not just under the individual pages like emc/dori/etc
Finding: Full list of current (4.8) ER buffs that affect and don't affect EoSF's Burst DMG%
Evidence:
ER buffs that go into EoSF's Burst DMG%
- Dori C4: https://youtu.be/8T9ql1yz40Y
- Keqing A4: https://youtu.be/8N7YofIYUfk
- Razor A4: https://youtu.be/uw1HnjyPXM8
- AMC C2: https://youtu.be/Cte74JHfWe8
- Bennett C2: https://youtu.be/vlxDROWC92c
- Collei C1: https://youtu.be/HpyuVBaQO8A
- Fleuve Cendre Ferryman: https://youtu.be/8RW01vSK1n8
- Engulfing Lightning: https://youtu.be/SUaZ2lZ1nOk
- 20% ER Abyss Card: https://youtu.be/2bYsNGatIEA
ER buffs that don't go into EoSF's Burst DMG%
- EMC E (with A4): https://youtu.be/SKT-_Psr4E8
- EMC E (without A4): https://youtu.be/_ny12y2rL0w
- Xiphos (on EoSF user): https://youtu.be/3rzPJPzehR8
- Xiphos (from teammate): https://youtu.be/4y0iMClpbd4
So, it seems like EoSF excludes percentage-based buffs (at least, all the current ones). EMC's E without A4 doesn't have any percentage-based scaling, as it's just a flat 20% ER buff at that point, but it seems like Hoyo opted to blacklist the buff entirely, rather than implementing a check for if EMC's A4 is unlocked.
Significance: Synergy (or lackthereof) between EoSF and various ER buffs
Evidence:
ER buffs that go into EoSF's Burst DMG%
- Dori C4: https://youtu.be/8T9ql1yz40Y
- Keqing A4: https://youtu.be/8N7YofIYUfk
- Razor A4: https://youtu.be/uw1HnjyPXM8
- AMC C2: https://youtu.be/Cte74JHfWe8
- Bennett C2: https://youtu.be/vlxDROWC92c
- Collei C1: https://youtu.be/HpyuVBaQO8A
- Fleuve Cendre Ferryman: https://youtu.be/8RW01vSK1n8
- Engulfing Lightning: https://youtu.be/SUaZ2lZ1nOk
- 20% ER Abyss Card: https://youtu.be/2bYsNGatIEA
ER buffs that don't go into EoSF's Burst DMG%
- EMC E (with A4): https://youtu.be/SKT-_Psr4E8
- EMC E (without A4): https://youtu.be/_ny12y2rL0w
- Xiphos (on EoSF user): https://youtu.be/3rzPJPzehR8
- Xiphos (from teammate): https://youtu.be/4y0iMClpbd4
So, it seems like EoSF excludes percentage-based buffs (at least, all the current ones). EMC's E without A4 doesn't have any percentage-based scaling, as it's just a flat 20% ER buff at that point, but it seems like Hoyo opted to blacklist the buff entirely, rather than implementing a check for if EMC's A4 is unlocked.
Significance: Synergy (or lackthereof) between EoSF and various ER buffs
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:47 AM
this needs to go on yt, wanna upload it? or i can
nzpiefaceWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:48 AM
so EMC is just shit
lmao
but yeah this is expected right? because EMC is scaling buff from stats
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:49 AM
it only scales with a4
nzpiefaceWed, July 10, 2024 at 02:49 AM
(even though part of it isnt scaling)
taylor_series19Wed, July 10, 2024 at 03:36 AM
Why isn't it enough again? All it needs is to show stats and the dmg Calc should indicate whether her A4 works with eosf or not.
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 03:37 AM
it doesn't show stats
it's just a screenshot
taylor_series19Wed, July 10, 2024 at 03:39 AM
Then he just needs to show stats
xochiyohWed, July 10, 2024 at 03:39 AM
yeah
in a video
dusted windWed, July 10, 2024 at 05:42 AM
imagine if literally everything works except emc
ima laugh so hard
nzpiefaceWed, July 10, 2024 at 11:18 AM
i mean like
i forgot if raiden sig works
dusted windWed, July 10, 2024 at 05:20 PM
well we have to test it
dusted windWed, July 17, 2024 at 02:35 AM
cough
i don't have EL
xochiyohWed, July 17, 2024 at 02:36 AM
me neither
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 08:33 AM
uhhhh I can test it
I can I just raiden burst and we’ll see if it maths to damage?
thomas got it
wait I fucking forgot and er to attack conversion ughhh
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 08:51 AM
this should be good 
wait u didnt show eosf
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 09:27 AM
I showed everything else kms
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 09:28 AM
yeah 
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 09:31 AM
@xochiyoh 
eosf shown
eosf shownxochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 09:34 AM
alright now that's good
wanna put it on yt?
or i can
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 09:36 AM
uh can u do it I don’t want to waste a lot of data
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 09:36 AM
huh
math not mathing
If EL does go into EoSF:
(2023 (ATK) * 92.8% (ATK Scaling) + 19788 (HP) * 2.2% (HP Scaling)) * 1.46525 (DMG%) * 0.4961 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 1513.00
Actual Fiery Collapse DMG: 1590
(2023 (ATK) * 92.8% (ATK Scaling) + 19788 (HP) * 2.2% (HP Scaling)) * 1.46525 (DMG%) * 0.4961 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 1513.00
Actual Fiery Collapse DMG: 1590
it's too low
no idea what's wrong
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 10:27 AM
eosf is 54.025%
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 10:28 AM
oh wait yea
i forgot to actually do the thing we're trying to test 
include el buff into eosf
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 10:28 AM
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 10:29 AM
yep
alright
https://youtu.be/SUaZ2lZ1nOk
EL's ER buff goes into EoSF's Burst DMG%
If EL does go into EoSF:
(2023 (ATK) * 92.8% (ATK Scaling) + 19788 (HP) * 2.2% (HP Scaling)) * 1.54025 (DMG%) * 0.4961 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 1590.44
If EL doesn't go into EoSF:
(2023 (ATK) * 92.8% (ATK Scaling) + 19788 (HP) * 2.2% (HP Scaling)) * 1.46525 (DMG%) * 0.4961 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 1513.00
Actual Fiery Collapse DMG: 1590
(2023 (ATK) * 92.8% (ATK Scaling) + 19788 (HP) * 2.2% (HP Scaling)) * 1.54025 (DMG%) * 0.4961 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 1590.44
If EL doesn't go into EoSF:
(2023 (ATK) * 92.8% (ATK Scaling) + 19788 (HP) * 2.2% (HP Scaling)) * 1.46525 (DMG%) * 0.4961 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 1513.00
Actual Fiery Collapse DMG: 1590
dusted windThu, July 18, 2024 at 11:23 AM
last one that xo cant do themselves is xiphos?
hey its on banner rn
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 11:26 AM
i do not condone wishing on this banner
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 11:30 AM
I got xiphos
gimme a sec
that was a lot more than a sec sorry
151.7 er without xiphos
@xochiyoh
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 12:01 PM
can u also test with xiphos on someone else
like if xiphos isnt on the same char as eosf
well it probably doesnt matter
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 12:03 PM
ya sure gimme a sec
well like 10 minutes
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 12:12 PM
https://youtu.be/3rzPJPzehR8
Xiphos' ER buff doesn't go into the wielder's EoSF's Burst DMG%
If Xiphos does go into EoSF:
992 (ATK) * 83.2% (ATK Scaling) * 1.436 (DMG%) * 0.3834 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 408.96
If Xiphos doesn't go into EoSF:
992 (ATK) * 83.2% (ATK Scaling) * 1.3795 (DMG%) * 0.3834 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 392.87
Actual DMG: 392
992 (ATK) * 83.2% (ATK Scaling) * 1.436 (DMG%) * 0.3834 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 408.96
If Xiphos doesn't go into EoSF:
992 (ATK) * 83.2% (ATK Scaling) * 1.3795 (DMG%) * 0.3834 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 392.87
Actual DMG: 392
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpThu, July 18, 2024 at 12:31 PM
god recording that was hell bc my brother is a menace
1
1@xochiyoh longer vid bc I swapped jean off xiphos to show they’re the same
xochiyohThu, July 18, 2024 at 12:33 PM
dusted windFri, July 19, 2024 at 12:09 AM
oh shit, that's actually highly relevant
xo gets the keqing/razor things done and we call it a day?1
1wait we dont have the dori video up up yet
xochiyohFri, July 19, 2024 at 02:14 AM
oh wait yea
thanks
dusted windFri, July 19, 2024 at 02:15 AMclever didnt show gear for the dori vid either
xochiyohFri, July 19, 2024 at 02:16 AM
oh right
dusted windSat, July 20, 2024 at 02:43 PM
yknow i would ping furu over here but the lord doesnt even have tc role
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSat, July 20, 2024 at 02:46 PM
do you need a dori vid?
I can get you one
dusted windSat, July 20, 2024 at 02:48 PM
dori c4 is the only one xo cant do
just uh
remember to show gear
i dont think a single person here has recorded a video without first forgetting to show emblem
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:21 PM
@dusted wind vid work?
xq burst damage changes before and after dori c4
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:22 PM
sick
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:22 PM
okay NOW this is true
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:23 PM
do u want me to do keq/razor things I can
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:23 PM
fuck it sure
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:25 PM
awkward my razor isn’t 70/80 😭
only keqing it is
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:25 PM
he just needs to be 60/70 right?
i mean mine is level 20 but
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:37 PM
60/70 sorry yeah I don’t have that talent
anywyas keq gets emblem
I can level him for it since he’s 60/60 but I just spent my resin so we can see tmrw
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:38 PM
im p sure xo has the razor so
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:39 PM
@xochiyoh keqing
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:39 PM
@xochiyoh dori
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:40 PM
idk why I’m 2 damage off but I don’t rly feel like trouble shooting
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:40 PM
i want to say decimals
i could record keqing later if its an issue
actually half this server prolly could 
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:41 PM
ok fucking decimal talent scaling woo
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:42 PM
doesnt change it though
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:42 PM
ya
it’s just more accurate ig
does Genshin decimal damage
like if I do 15.5 damage twice does it do 31 damage
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:42 PM
eh god knows
ill fuckin record it if it matters in the end
ill fuckin record it if it matters in the end
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:43 PM
nah it’s good now
we’ll see about razor ig
I’ve been meaning to lvl 90 him so maybe this is my kick in the ass
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 02:43 PM
lmfao
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 06:46 PM
i think there are more decimals for most talent scalings, and there's also visual rounding of atk and crit and everything but i think the full float/double values are preserved and used
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 06:47 PM
ik the visual dmg numbers are always rounded down so i assume it doesn't keep track of the decimal dmg? but maybe it does
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 06:48 PM
yea mine is 70/80
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 06:49 PM thanks
thanksand @/dust
thought of 1 more, er card https://youtu.be/2bYsNGatIEA
20% ER Abyss Card goes into EoSF's Burst DMG%
If ER Card goes into EoSF's Burst DMG%:
637 (ATK) * (33.6% * 176.24% = 59.217%) (Scaling) * 1.647 (DMG%) * 0.4857 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 271.58
If ER Card doesn't go into EoSF's Burst DMG%:
637 (ATK) * (33.6% * 176.24% = 59.217%) (Scaling) * 1.597 (DMG%) * 0.4857 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 263.33
Actual N4 Soul Companion DMG: 271
637 (ATK) * (33.6% * 176.24% = 59.217%) (Scaling) * 1.647 (DMG%) * 0.4857 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 271.58
If ER Card doesn't go into EoSF's Burst DMG%:
637 (ATK) * (33.6% * 176.24% = 59.217%) (Scaling) * 1.597 (DMG%) * 0.4857 (DEF) * 0.9 (RES) = 263.33
Actual N4 Soul Companion DMG: 271
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:10 PM
you would rather calc the damage manually than reset the chamber pick a different card and do that one?
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:10 PM
well i already did it
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:10 PM
LOL
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:12 PM
writeup done
closing time?
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:13 PM
probably
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:13 PM
i cannot stress enough how funny this is
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:14 PM
i just didnt think of it
listen ok, it resulted in a shorter video which reduces the data load on youtube's database
i was being considerate
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:15 PM
wait credit baloopy for the dori/keqing thing lol
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:15 PM
oh where do i add credits
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:15 PM
uhh description of the video i guess
wait
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:15 PM
true
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:16 PM
isnt there a contributor thing
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:16 PM
uhh oh yea
TiBotSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:16 PM
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dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:17 PMclever did keqing+el but forgot to show gear so we couldnt use it
baloopy did xiphos/dori c4/keqing a4/engulfing
i did collei c1/flueve2
2you did everything else
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:17 PM
yeah
dusted windSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:18 PM
i like how the hardest part abt this was just finding ppl who had the stuff on their accounts2
2probably closeable now
xochiyohSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:20 PM
alright
hold on
TiBotSun, July 21, 2024 at 08:24 PM
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nzpiefaceSat, July 27, 2024 at 06:34 AM
ok so
i prolly shouldve remembered to look at this before it was closed
but like can someone not xochitl explain to me what part of this we didnt already have in the library already?
So, it seems like EoSF excludes percentage-based buffs (at least, all the current ones). EMC's E without A4 doesn't have any percentage-based scaling, as it's just a flat 20% ER buff at that point, but it seems like Hoyo opted to blacklist the buff entirely, rather than implementing a check for if EMC's A4 is unlocked.
dusted windFri, August 16, 2024 at 11:53 PM
https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/763610791839924224/1266652980233371668
for anyone looking through this again lmfao
i just remembered this existed1
for anyone looking through this again lmfao
i just remembered this existed
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