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faster-neuvi-balls

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TiBotThu, November 2, 2023 at 12:15 PM

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Theory/Finding/Bug: Title of your submission

Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or YouTube/Imgur proofs

Significance: Conclusion

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 12:16 PM

Findings:
- Institute tiles to metres conversion factor: 1.25 (4tiles = 5m)
- Neuvillette's ball absorb range is at least 2 different overlapping regions:
- 1. A cone fixed to the camera (marked by the far away blue line while floating)
- 2. A narrow rectangular strip with it's long end toward the direction Neuvillette is facing.
This is an approximate sketch:
[Desmos Interactive](https://www.desmos.com/calculator/dqy5rvp4xo)
Length unit is width of tiles found in Fontaine Institute buildings. Specifically, all evidence was gathered at the initial arena of gravity beyblade boss in story quest, located on one of the biggest floating cubes in Fontaine. The tile grid is conveniently large.

Evidence:
- [Institute tiles measured using Chonghua field](https://youtu.be/MTESZuGdntQ)
- [Extra range behind camera by facing back](https://youtu.be/CXleH_3deDw) (YT video)
- Other measurements:
- Strip Front edge: 11 tiles
- Rear edge: 7 tiles
- Side edges: 4 tiles
- Cone Front edge: 14 tiles
- Right corner: 7 tiles East, 13 tiles North
- Left corner: 9.5 tiles West, 10 tiles North
[Strip and Cone dimensions](https://youtu.be/GgA6ckJW5ag) (YT video)

Significance:
More balls for sweaty fights

Neuv ball ranges

GI: Institute tiles to Metres conversion factor

Chongyun's field radius: 8m or 6.4m
thus, 1tile = 1.25m

GI: Absorb more droplets behind Neuvillette

Neuvillette has nearly 65% more absorption range in front of him than behind for sourcewater droplets.

So just make him face the droplets even if they're off screen, before starting his charged attack, chances are he'll get them

GI: Neuvillette's Absorption ranges

These dimensions are from the PC game in controller mode.
Sketch:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/dqy5rvp4xo

If you decide to measure your screen, you can modify the above sketch to see what it looks like.

off screen strip range comparison

I'm confident about the strip's (green) dimensions

but not very sure about the cone(blue)

I need a way to find out if the cone is activated before or after the camera angle changes and offsets neuv to one side, any ideas?

actually, not before/after but to know if the cone is always tilted like that or starts centred like the camera and then turns with it

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 01:00 PM

eyy finally someone looking into this

hm i would think the cone activates after but near the same time since balls dont get immediately absorbed (3f delay iirc)

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:06 PM

I'm thinking if I can have a ball just outside the cone's right corner and start charging there, I'll know if the cone activates already offset or is offset after being activated

nzpiefaceThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:24 PM

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:24 PM

the cone should stay fixed to neuvis line of sight should it not

these modded camera clips really are too hard to see anything

~~ull have to mod ur game and check urself~~

well his line of sight is the camera pov

would be odd if his cone started centered when arguably his ca itself doesnt start centered

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:42 PM

by centred I mean with neuv as the datum/origin

not the camera

while doing tests, it's hard to keep the camera in the same place where as neuv doesn't turn a degree as long as I don't touch the left stick. So having him as the datum was more consistent

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:45 PM

oh i see

yes

~~the hell is a datum~~

ok im unless im actually stupid today

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makeway4pk: I need a way to find out if the cone is activated before or after the camera angle changes and offsets neuv to one side, any ideas?

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:47 PM

since the ca (animation as a whole) starts when camera angle changes
so should cone

so sincw neuvi during ca is always offset from the camera and the cone presumably is centered on him
cone should activate like that (aka always tilted)

applying logic to gameplay here so ymmv

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the humble mold spore🦠: since the ca (animation as a whole) starts when camera angle changes

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:49 PM

yes, anim as a whole, but the ball absorb process starts a bit early doesn't it?

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:49 PM

nope

he goes into ca stance then absorbs balls

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:50 PM

I mean those 15f startups

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:50 PM

hm?

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:50 PM

huh, then that might be it

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:50 PM

ball absorb process should be the same

since the balls decide the startup length

balls absorbing a bit after charging starts is why u can fuck up early release if u let go too early

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:51 PM

my logic is, to decide the animation attacking vs charging, the ball absorb should finish/ start before he completely his float

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the humble mold spore🦠: balls absorbing a bit after charging starts is why u can fuck up early release if u let go too early

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:51 PM

ohh that makes sense

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:52 PM

this is in frames i believe lemme check

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:52 PM

oh dang, I forgot to check that

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:52 PM

3f after ca starts balls start absorbing

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:53 PM

I see

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 05:54 PM

w three droplets release becomes near instantaneous

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 05:54 PM

yea

so that's the hypothesis with the cone for now, that it starts offset

lemme just pull the dm pics that fooshi sent
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/958512067458007120/1169686388053114960/image.png?ex=65564e56&is=6543d956&hm=457690dd5347e538aaea3a710b5839b323d581707da43b2ee38b6d83e2b9f335&
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/958512067458007120/1169687585594023946/image.png?ex=65564f74&is=6543da74&hm=5deb630da076fa9353a2a2cb6f1874492acdb1653608d6d2e2fcd368a93f2b2e&

another thing is, the camera moves when he starts attacking

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 06:00 PM

hmm 10°?
i have neither my glasses nor lenses rn

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makeway4pk: another thing is, the camera moves when he starts attacking

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 06:02 PM

so the question is, does how does that change the cone, if it does. probably obvious but for sake of rigor, we'll need a c6 neuv

while I edit the evidence clips into a single vid and upload

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the humble mold spore🦠: hmm 10°?

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 06:08 PM

yea, that's just the fov change, the 'camera follow lower' and upper also change which I think are the camera's (or neuv's) relative position coords

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 06:10 PM

cone is marked by blue line? can prob go frame by frame and see if (and if so, how) blue line changes

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 06:10 PM

and the camFollowMaxDeg goes from being locked to -3 (no y axis input while charging) to a range between 8 and -24 so I guess that's the vertical freedom

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the humble mold spore🦠: cone is marked by blue line? can prob go frame by frame and see if (and if so, how) blue line changes

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 06:11 PM

I mean I haven't verified or seen it verified that the blue line is exactly the range but I guess it is

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 06:12 PM

it is directly in front i think but i didnt bother checking properly

if it moves though that means cone moves surely
~~if it doesnt is when problems arise~~

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 06:13 PM

well, the cone could be rotating with the fov and position change and it'd move the blue line very little as it seems to be curved

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 06:15 PM

it disappears for a moment when cam changes

zero relevance but til ig

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 06:16 PM

I'll pick rest of this up tmrw then 👋🏼

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 06:16 PM

have fun

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the humble mold spore🦠: have fun

makeway4pkThu, November 2, 2023 at 06:17 PM

don't you want to verify the blue line

unless someone already did in basic-mechs

m unsure abt that too, will check tmrw

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makeway4pk: don't you want to verify the blue line

the humble mold spore🦠Thu, November 2, 2023 at 06:27 PM

makeway4pkFri, November 3, 2023 at 12:59 PM

here's the evidence for measurements: https://youtu.be/GgA6ckJW5ag

I'm not very sure about the cone corners though

GI: Neuvillette's Absorption ranges

after more tests, I'm think that the 'cone' is not as curved at the front as the blue line makes me think it is

@the humble mold spore🦠 do you believe in the blue line?

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:10 PM

its so hard to see

but from clips i found where they did some camera fuckery its sort of uh

banana shaped……..

rather than D

so ) not D

which that clip looks to match?

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:14 PM

yea but

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:15 PM

ur cone looks slimmer

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:15 PM

the ball he absorbed here was way beyond the blue line

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:15 PM

ehhh idk

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the humble mold spore🦠: but from clips i found where they did some camera fuckery its sort of uh

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:16 PM

was it a taller aspect ratio?

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:16 PM

from my understanding his range is pretty wide at the blue line itself

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makeway4pk: was it a taller aspect ratio?

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:16 PM

a what

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:16 PM

the screen shape, was it ipad like?

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:17 PM

no they yoinked the camera so it was 3rd oerson

well its third person normally but. yk what i mean

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:17 PM

can you link?

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:17 PM

i was looking but i cant find

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:17 PM

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:17 PM

i couldve sworn i saved it somewhere

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:18 PM

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:19 PM

ill look more later

TiBotMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:19 PM

This ticket has been renamed to faster neuvi balls by @makeway4pk

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:19 PM

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:19 PM

yea, no worries

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:20 PM

it would be best to just mod urself tho bc it was not easy to see anything

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:20 PM

renamed since this ticket isn't making 'more' balls

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the humble mold spore🦠: it would be best to just mod urself tho bc it was not easy to see anything

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 05:20 PM

mod?

ohh, the camera mod

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 05:24 PM

i dont play on pc so i cant do it

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makeway4pk: @the humble mold spore🦠 do you believe in the blue line?

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 07:18 PM

@ena6013 this

his absorb range is beyond the line at some angles

ena6013Mon, November 6, 2023 at 07:24 PM

wait why they even diapered/pooped out in chain one after another along 1 second but not on same frame?

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ena6013: wait why they even diapered/pooped out in chain one after another along 1 second but not on same frame?

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 07:31 PM

because they're burst balls, they are created slightly delayed according to the burst's water ghosts animation

ena6013Mon, November 6, 2023 at 07:32 PM

AHH ok epxlains my issue from b efore also having on fiel dlees than 3 balls but more than 0

makeway4pkMon, November 6, 2023 at 07:34 PM

dunno if it does, the 1-2 balls should be gone soon enough if this is the only reason

ena6013Mon, November 6, 2023 at 07:42 PM

oh no... my message got redded colored

the humble mold spore🦠Mon, November 6, 2023 at 07:49 PM

common discord L

makeway4pkMon, November 13, 2023 at 03:33 PM

Institute tiles to Metres conversion factor found to be 1.25
https://youtu.be/MTESZuGdntQ

GI: Institute tiles to Metres conversion factor

Chongyun's field radius: 8m or 6.4m
thus, 1tile = 1.25m

lmk if it looks off

TiBotMon, November 20, 2023 at 03:45 PM

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makeway4pkTue, November 21, 2023 at 05:26 AM

agh, I wanted to measure more but I'll close it off for now

TiBotTue, November 21, 2023 at 05:26 AM

Ticket closed by @makeway4pk. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or /open.

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makeway4pk: Institute tiles to Metres conversion factor found to be 1.25

nzpiefaceSat, November 25, 2023 at 06:15 AM

TiBotSun, January 28, 2024 at 08:34 AM

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