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hakushin-ring-can-buff-the-holder
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TiBotTue, August 9, 2022 at 07:43 PM
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This ticket has been renamed to
hakushin-ring-can-buff-the-holder by @jas | #1 baloopy hater
jas | #1 baloopy haterTue, August 9, 2022 at 07:53 PM
Finding:
The Hakushin Ring weapon description does not make it abundantly clear that the equipping character can also receive the DMG% buff granted by the weapon, and while it may seem like common knowledge to anyone who has done TC work with the weapon before, there is no explicit evidence in the TCL that either confirms or negates this fact (or if there is, it's not easy to find). While testing this fact is very easy, it requires having the weapon, meaning a player would need to craft it first. Since crafting the Hakushin Ring is a one-way street that consumes valuable non-renewable resources (a billet), a clear statement in the TCL confirming that the Hakushin Ring can buff its own holder would be valuable for players on the fence about crafting the weapon.
Evidence:
Anemo trigger Electro Swirl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Pe5_86lF4
Electro trigger Electro Swirl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI4U1oyyJ_M
Electro trigger Electro-Charged - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzE5oM-a_1w
Electro trigger Overload - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTHkIxXT6Ew
Electro trigger Superconduct - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjTkjdtE5R0
Geo trigger Crystallize - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7eA1MtUE3c
Hydro trigger Electro-Charged - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrsjAoVb_No
Pyro trigger Overloaded - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDqqiRHbFIQ
These videos are also collected in a playlist at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTYPY0Wz71CPncYQI2w-HUJ-wtOz5pp-0
Chain reactions triggered by an anemo character were not tested, but Hakushin Ring has been confirmed to work with chain reactions previously, so it is assumed they are consistent with the findings here.
Significance:
Better documentation of Hakushin Ring's mechanics.
The Hakushin Ring weapon description does not make it abundantly clear that the equipping character can also receive the DMG% buff granted by the weapon, and while it may seem like common knowledge to anyone who has done TC work with the weapon before, there is no explicit evidence in the TCL that either confirms or negates this fact (or if there is, it's not easy to find). While testing this fact is very easy, it requires having the weapon, meaning a player would need to craft it first. Since crafting the Hakushin Ring is a one-way street that consumes valuable non-renewable resources (a billet), a clear statement in the TCL confirming that the Hakushin Ring can buff its own holder would be valuable for players on the fence about crafting the weapon.
Evidence:
Anemo trigger Electro Swirl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Pe5_86lF4
Electro trigger Electro Swirl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI4U1oyyJ_M
Electro trigger Electro-Charged - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzE5oM-a_1w
Electro trigger Overload - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTHkIxXT6Ew
Electro trigger Superconduct - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjTkjdtE5R0
Geo trigger Crystallize - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7eA1MtUE3c
Hydro trigger Electro-Charged - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrsjAoVb_No
Pyro trigger Overloaded - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDqqiRHbFIQ
These videos are also collected in a playlist at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTYPY0Wz71CPncYQI2w-HUJ-wtOz5pp-0
Chain reactions triggered by an anemo character were not tested, but Hakushin Ring has been confirmed to work with chain reactions previously, so it is assumed they are consistent with the findings here.
Significance:
Better documentation of Hakushin Ring's mechanics.
this is my first ticket, so I'm not sure what to do now, and the guidelines in #ticket-start-here don't provide the most detailed instructions for what comes next.
for instance, is this enough evidence? should i demonstrate this for every element of catalyst holder? should I demonstrate it for all possible reactions?
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:53 PM
hi @jas | #1 baloopy hater , the general format for a ticket is:
Finding:
Hakushin Ring does blah blah blah (one or two sentences is fine)
Evidence:
Youtube video
Significance:
Better understanding of how hakushin ring works.
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once you think you're done, you can type
Finding:
Hakushin Ring does blah blah blah (one or two sentences is fine)
Evidence:
Youtube video
Significance:
Better understanding of how hakushin ring works.
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once you think you're done, you can type
/close to close the ticketas for the evidence, 
i noticed that electro dmg didn't get buffed. does hakushin ring only buff the triggering element?
i noticed that electro dmg didn't get buffed. does hakushin ring only buff the triggering element?or non electro elements
jas | #1 baloopy haterTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:53 PM
a character can only receive a buff to their own element
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:54 PM
oh i'm stupid
jas | #1 baloopy haterTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:54 PM
that much is clear from the weapon's description and it does work as expected, so i don't think i need to demonstrate that
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:54 PM
so i assume yae receives an electro buff?
yeah you don't need to show that
jas | #1 baloopy haterTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:54 PM
yes, she does, even though i didn't show it in the video
I can do this for catalyst chars of every element that reacts with electro (except for cryo)
for completeness
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:56 PM
sure that would be nice
jas | #1 baloopy haterTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:56 PM
do you think that would be necessary
got it
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:56 PM
and then you can edit your first post into the format i posted, and then close the ticket
jas | #1 baloopy haterTue, August 9, 2022 at 10:56 PM
👍
thank you
daibangdenTue, August 9, 2022 at 11:35 PM
isnt this already in the description of the weapon?
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 11:38 PM
i think someone in qph told them to make a ticket? doesn't hurt to clarify and we've given contributor for less effort before so 
daibangdenTue, August 9, 2022 at 11:38 PM
might as well tell someone to make a ticket for Tenacity of the Millelith because wording is the same
and zhongli c2
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 11:48 PM
doing a quick discord search, it does seem like "does nearby party members include the weapon/artifact holder/ability caster" is a somewhat common question
usually the wording will say "(not including Yoimiya)" or "(excluding Sucrose)" to specify that the original member doesn't get a buff
rarepossumTue, August 9, 2022 at 11:53 PM
Excluding wearer
In case of exile
BowTaeTue, August 9, 2022 at 11:53 PM
but I think it doesn't hurt to have at least one test somewhere that shows that the wording means the entire party unless otherwise stated, since idt there's such evidence yet in TCL? will have to check
daibangdenTue, August 9, 2022 at 11:55 PM
my understanding is when it says "nearby party members" it means in coop you dont get buff if you are too far from the wearer, but something like 4NO should ignore distance
because if you take the word to their literal meaning then "nearby party members" in single player should not buff anyone, because there is no one else nearby except yourself
rarepossumWed, August 10, 2022 at 12:12 AM
I think inactive characters are considered isnthebsame location as the active controlled character
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 12:37 AM
it is, but i feel like my justification at the beginning of the ticket is reason enough to have something in the TCL about it - there are higher stakes for crafting a weapon than farming a domain (totm), for example
daibangdenWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:04 AM
might as well add "off field character can also get the buff" because the description also doesn't make that clear either because they technically aren't nearby
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:04 AM
sure, I can add that as well
daibangdenWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:05 AM
also "higher stakes" is not something relevant, we make useless shit all the time
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:05 AM
it's relevant for people that actually use the TCL for information that matters 
daibangdenWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:06 AM
when then totm is pretty much needed
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:07 AM
i was looking this up earlier today to confirm how the buff should work for GO and couldn't find any verification in the TCL - but I didn't actually have a hakushin ring until crafting it just to verify this lol
would have been nice to see a confirmation for it so i didn't have to craft it
daibangdenWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:08 AM
can just ask 
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:08 AM
i did just that, but there's no evidence
anyway, there are plenty of far less useful tickets than this, no?
it's certainly not harmful to have this info in the TCL
daibangdenWed, August 10, 2022 at 01:10 AM
no one say it is, i was saying it is pretty obvious since it's stated in the description
but if you think it's necessary then go ahead
but if you think it's necessary then go ahead
effab1eWed, August 10, 2022 at 04:36 AM
if it's not in the TCL it's worth getting evidence for
although i believe this isn't new info but having that evidence in tcl is fine
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 04:37 AM
yes it's definitely not new info
it just isn't present in tcl
effab1eWed, August 10, 2022 at 04:37 AM
@BowTae thoughts
im new scholar gonna have to check with people
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 04:38 AM
i have all the evidence ready, just uploading now
if this is a waste of time thats fine, i just thought it would be nice to have in the tcl
effab1eWed, August 10, 2022 at 04:39 AM
pog
pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tWed, August 10, 2022 at 11:30 AM
pkach | noille person, hiatusn'tWed, August 10, 2022 at 11:30 AM
dw about it youre fine
free salmon role 
effab1eWed, August 10, 2022 at 02:33 PM
this is about to be the easiest verify in existence
jas | #1 baloopy haterWed, August 10, 2022 at 07:25 PM
evidence collected, going to close now
TiBotWed, August 10, 2022 at 07:26 PM
Ticket closed by @jas | #1 baloopy hater. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or
/open.Ticket verified by @effab1e
effab1eThu, August 11, 2022 at 06:51 AM
verified based on in-game experience and sufficient evidence
nzpiefaceFri, August 12, 2022 at 01:31 AM
hakushin ring passive for reference
After the character equipped with this weapon triggers an Electro elemental reaction, nearby party members of an Elemental Type involved in the elemental reaction receive a 10% Elemental DMG Bonus for their element, lasting 6s. Elemental Bonuses gained in this way cannot be stacked.
party members means the whole team
i really dont think this is needed since effects that exclude the character its tied to usually state it
for example, rosaria
Casting Rites of Termination increases CRIT Rate of all nearby party members (except Rosaria herself) by 15% of Rosaria's CRIT Rate for 10s.
CRIT Rate Bonus gained this way cannot exceed 15%.
daibangdenFri, August 12, 2022 at 04:52 AM
since there are many effects that say "buff nearby party members" it's just weird having only ticket for one, just like how people keep doing separate ticket for Kazuha a4 sucrose a1 and instructor on object
instead of this just make a ticket that confirm "nearby party members" mean all, and maybe only actual ones nearby including yourself if you are in coop
instead of this just make a ticket that confirm "nearby party members" mean all, and maybe only actual ones nearby including yourself if you are in coop
TiBotFri, August 12, 2022 at 11:46 PM
Ticket re-opened by @jas | #1 baloopy hater
jas | #1 baloopy haterSat, August 13, 2022 at 12:31 AM
created new ticket #what-does-nearby-mean as a larger investigation; should this ticket be nuked? I can just take my evidence to that ticket instead
LimeSat, August 13, 2022 at 02:31 AM
leave it as is first?
effab1eSat, August 13, 2022 at 09:02 AM
wasnt the whole point to document this for TCL
jas | #1 baloopy haterSat, August 13, 2022 at 02:42 PM
that was what I wanted, but people seem to think this is unnecessary
i still wish it was in the TCL for the reasons i mentioned before, but it's not a huge deal in the end
who decides whether it goes in or not?
nzpiefaceSat, August 13, 2022 at 08:12 PM
people with the wangsheng scholar role or wangsheng director/vice-director
jas | #1 baloopy haterSat, August 13, 2022 at 10:08 PM
ok well
i still think it should be in the TCL for the reasons I already stated
so ig i'll close it again
TiBotSat, August 13, 2022 at 10:09 PM
Ticket closed by @jas | #1 baloopy hater. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or
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