hakushin-ring-does-not-buff-hydro-party-members-when-hyperbloom-is-triggered

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yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:13 AM

~~I just noticed this bot has Scholar role~~

oliveuwu.Wed, July 12, 2023 at 11:24 AM

Finding: Hakushin ring does not buff hydro party members when hyperbloom is triggered.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/yali5QHV7EM

Significance: Despite hyperbloom occurring from hydro + dendro then electro on top, Hakushin only considers the core (dendro) and electro when buffing.

hakushin ring hyperbloom

TiBotWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:27 AM

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( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:33 AM

does applying dendro first then hydro cause the same thing to happen?

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM

The core itself has no hydro properties

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yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:45 AM

~~I didn't know I had perms~~

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM

What even are the perms to verify

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM

TC staff

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 11:47 AM

I don't think that's true

or not only

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:47 AM

Tis true

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 11:48 AM

Maybe all orange roles, but it's not tc staff role, or just scholars

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:49 AM

I'm not a Scholar lol

Only TCs and Assistants have verif perms afaik
I am not sure if you can verify calcs without being monke tho

~~Probably will get kicked if you can and you do it~~

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yukiyafuyu: I'm not a Scholar lol

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 11:51 AM

but it's not tc staff role, or just scholars

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 11:55 AM

Oh, you meant it like that

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:03 PM

why is this even a ticket?

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:04 PM

I mean, you know, casuals

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:04 PM

are people gonna make ticket about Pyro dmg bonus does not buff cryo attack next?

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:04 PM

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 01:05 PM

This makes sense since it's not in TCL and people may think it's not obvious

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:05 PM

it's not in TCL because it's in the description of the weapon already

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 01:06 PM

That depends on your interpretation

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:06 PM

Already in Wiki

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 01:07 PM

wiki without evidence is still worth adding

Like it isn't necessarily obvious to people that spread is not an electro reaction when aggravate and quicken are

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:09 PM

I'll make a ticket that Electro swirl proccing Hyperbloom still counts for Hakushin

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:09 PM

then make a ticket about react property instead
as in
Aggravate = electro and dendro reactions
Hyperbloom = electro and dendro reactions
pyro swirl = pyro and anemo reaction
...

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 01:09 PM

That's not necessarily a bad idea

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:10 PM

but it's not necessary because it's already in the game

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 01:12 PM

I disagree on that point, that just because something is shown in game that it shouldn't have evidence, if so you could argue to cut a lot of the things in the tcl too

If there can be confusion over it, and I have seen there be on this point before, it could be worth adding with evidence

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:13 PM

yea

we could do that
but that's a lot of work to revamp the TCL isn't it

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daibangden: then make a ticket about react property instead

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:15 PM

Maybe we can reopen the ticket and do this lol
Although it'll be a really small sheet for reactions

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:15 PM

if people are confused, they should just ask first

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:15 PM

Like maybe 10 rows?

daibangdenWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:18 PM

well not my job anyway

if people want to make a ticket then they make a ticket

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:18 PM

https://library.keqingmains.com/combat-mechanics/elemental-effects/transformative-reactions
Just specifying that Dendro Core is considered as "Dendro" makes this ticket redundant ig

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yukiyafuyu: Already in Wiki

f99shiWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:34 PM

it wasnt there a few hrs ago

olive edited that page b4 opening this ticket lol

i think the ticket is fine? because hakushin ring's logic is just coded as "xxx reactions give xxx bonus"

theres no universal definition of what reaction is considered what element

its mostly consistent now but the way this stuff is implemented means that there is no guarantee that it will stay that way

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:44 PM

f99shiWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:46 PM

to show what i mean

every reaction that procs hakushin

is individually hardcoded to proc specific buffs

"reaction corresponding to xxx element" is not a thing that exists

TiBotWed, July 12, 2023 at 01:50 PM

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f99shi: to show what i mean

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 02:02 PM

~~I'll just pretend I understand this~~

~~tf is overdose~~

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 02:03 PM

Overdose is quicken

At least I think that's what it was

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 02:04 PM

OvergrowMushroom is Hyperbloom?

f99shiWed, July 12, 2023 at 02:05 PM

overgrowmushroomelectric is hyperbloom yes

and overdoseelectric is aggravate

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 02:07 PM

yukiyafuyuWed, July 12, 2023 at 02:08 PM

People were thinking what to name Fridge if not Fridge
I'm gonna say Frozen Mushroom now
Thanks for the knowledge

🐟Wed, July 12, 2023 at 02:08 PM

TiBotWed, July 12, 2023 at 03:17 PM

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nzpiefaceWed, July 12, 2023 at 05:17 PM

actually what about fischl a4 or electro reso

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nzpieface: actually what about fischl a4 or electro reso

f99shiWed, July 12, 2023 at 06:20 PM

its all just "when (list of reaction) happens, do (thing)"

TiBotThu, July 13, 2023 at 02:26 PM

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