hyperbloom-and-burgeon-dmg-snapshotting-and-artifact-interactions

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TiBotMon, January 27, 2025 at 03:45 AM

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This ticket has been renamed to hyperbloom and burgeon dmg snapshotting and artifact interactions by @xochiyoh

xochiyohMon, January 27, 2025 at 03:52 AM

Finding: Hyperbloom DMG does not snapshot EM on trigger, and Hyperbloom + Burgeon can benefit from the same 4pc FoPL/Gilded proc they trigger (however, Burgeon is inconsistent with Gilded for unknown reasons, and presumably FoPL too).

Evidence:
Hyperbloom not snapshotting EM: https://youtu.be/zQjBakuC2eI
Hyperbloom benefitting from the 4pc FoPL stack it granted: https://youtu.be/YaZ9ZuXoHxE
Burgeon benefitting from the 4pc FoPL stack it granted: https://youtu.be/QEUvJqKx6l0?si=iUev6X-NWqbdrLOK
Burgeon being inconsistent with the 4pc Gilded effect it triggered: https://youtu.be/TNc8oNY_TuE?si=H-GNpJnbcYU4Jlm4
https://youtu.be/NFfehzd2Mwc?si=7nRtF6JJISvtBgWk

Significance: Nollij

i spent 100 resin getting an fopl set for this

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TiBotWed, January 29, 2025 at 09:27 PM

Ticket closed by @xochiyoh. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or /open.

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xochiyoh: i spent 100 resin getting an fopl set for this

nzpiefaceThu, January 30, 2025 at 08:15 PM

b7t flop best set

we know bloom doesn't snapshot yeah?

TiBotThu, June 5, 2025 at 04:38 AM

Ticket verified by @probably_kyx

probably_kyxThu, June 5, 2025 at 04:39 AM

anyone else wanna do a quick verif so we can clean ticket wall

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xochiyoh: Finding: Hyperbloom DMG does not snapshot EM on trigger, and Hyperbloom + Burgeon can benefit from the same 4pc FoPL/Gilded proc they trigger (however, Burgeon is inconsistent with Gilded for unknown reasons, and presumably FoPL too).

ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠSat, June 7, 2025 at 02:59 AM

the burgeon testing with 4pc Gilded is a bit flawed
because yanfei also triggers Vape here we can't know for sure whether the Vape and Burgeon happens at the same time or the Vape happens first and grants the GD buff to the following Burgeon

can you make a video evidence with amber?

shooting dendro core with her CA without triggering Vape

@xochiyoh

TiBotSat, June 7, 2025 at 11:03 PM

Ticket re-opened by @xochiyoh

xochiyohSat, June 7, 2025 at 11:04 PM

excellent point, however, i have not opened genshin in forever

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ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠ: the burgeon testing with 4pc Gilded is a bit flawed

nzpiefaceSun, June 8, 2025 at 11:52 AM

can we just have like

someone without artis

and then they get buffed by sucrose or smth

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nzpieface: and then they get buffed by sucrose or smth

ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠSun, June 8, 2025 at 11:54 AM

wdym?

nzpiefaceSun, June 8, 2025 at 11:56 AM

we're just testing if hyperbloom snapshots em

it doesnt matter how the character gets em

sucrose is nice because she doesnt need to trigger a reaction

ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠSun, June 8, 2025 at 11:58 AM

i think the current evidence for hyperbloom stuff is already sufficient

ny concern is in the burgeon test

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ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠ: the burgeon testing with 4pc Gilded is a bit flawed

nzpiefaceSun, June 8, 2025 at 11:58 AM

by the way

i made a ticket way back about vape and swirl

dunno where burgeon triggers but its prolly a decent reference point

but then again burgeon is on a diff entity

so who knows

ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠSun, June 8, 2025 at 12:02 PM

so, from my testing, it's true that the same burgeon reaction that triggers 4pc GD also benefits from GD's EM buff

but because the testing of xochitl involved Vape, it could fiddle thing up with whether GD is triggered by the Burgeon or Vape

i can provide a clear testing that eliminates the influence of Vape

but then i couldn't verify the ticket

so anyone wants to comtribute/verify instead?

munandstarsSun, June 8, 2025 at 12:05 PM

would standing far: a childe charged attack, collei charged attack, then amber/lyney charged attack help with the snapshotting test?

ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠSun, June 8, 2025 at 12:05 PM

yeah

as long as you dont trigger vape before or during the burgeon reaction

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munandstarsSun, June 8, 2025 at 12:06 PM

I'll try to record something for that tonight. I've never contributed with verifications. Is there a specific way I should upload and post it here? Just on youtube and a link?

ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠSun, June 8, 2025 at 12:07 PM

yeah a youtube link would suffice

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munandstarsMon, June 9, 2025 at 05:33 PM

are these okay?
fopl + burgeon : https://youtu.be/QEUvJqKx6l0?si=iUev6X-NWqbdrLOK
gilded + burgeon : https://youtu.be/TNc8oNY_TuE?si=H-GNpJnbcYU4Jlm4

Fopl + burgeon

Gilded + burgeon

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munandstars: are these okay?

ᴀᴄᴇʀʙᴜꜱ | ɪᴠTue, June 10, 2025 at 01:44 PM

can you explain what's going in the second video?

damage wise

nvm i kinda figure this out already

this means lyney doesn't get the EM bonus from 4pc GD on this Burgeon instance

hmm

weird

this goes against my testing

i think it's rng

can you test this over and over again?

munandstarsTue, June 10, 2025 at 02:18 PM

sure. I'll do multiple instances with different enemies in different distances. maybe it has to do with how far the enemy is since a charged shot takes a while to get there

so what i found that it's definitely influenced by distance. I tested other enemies but it was pretty much the same thing, so I made multiple videos of the same enemy to compare. Once I even used skill instead of charged attack. three runs are with distance, and 4 are up close https://youtu.be/NFfehzd2Mwc?si=7nRtF6JJISvtBgWk

Gilded Dreams with distance burgeon