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itto-na-combo-saving-mechanics
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TiBotThu, June 29, 2023 at 12:32 AM
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Mr. Pillow | PhD. in IttoSimpingThu, June 29, 2023 at 12:37 AM
so I've been a bad little pillow and purposefully let misinformation spread on the internet
/hj
basically, since the day after this ticket https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/characters/geo/arataki-itto#itto-na-combo-non-reset-mechanics of mine got put on the tcl, i've known it's wrong, so this new ticket here is to amend that![:OMEGALUL:](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/867273141197864961.png)
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basically, since the day after this ticket https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/characters/geo/arataki-itto#itto-na-combo-non-reset-mechanics of mine got put on the tcl, i've known it's wrong, so this new ticket here is to amend that
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Theory: Itto Normal Attack combo saving mechanics
Evidence: According to in-game description, "Itto's Normal Attack combo does not immediately reset after sprinting or using his Elemental Skill." Game data suggests that this combo non-reset ability works based on a combo saving modifier that's attached to certain types of animations. These animations include the following:
1. Elemental Skill animations: Pre-Skill, Skill, Hold-Skill, and Post-Skill.
2. Sprinting animations: Pre-Sprint, and Sprint. Notably, Post-Sprint is excluded.
All other animations (e.g. Charged Attacks or Burst) are excluded.
As long as there's a "chain" of such animations between two of Itto's Normal Attacks, the combo will not reset. For example:
- The combo "NA1 E D NA2" is possible because the animation chain is "Pre-Skill > Skill > Post-Skill > Pre-Sprint > Sprint".
- The combo "NA1 D E NA2" is impossible because the animation chain is "Pre-Sprint > Sprint > Post-Sprint > Pre-Skill > Skill > Post-Skill".
This video showcases some combos with animations that do and do not save Itto's NA combos: https://youtu.be/1xgzE4nTSoY.
Examples of combo-saving animations:
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Examples of non-combo-saving animations:
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Significance: In summary, it's easy to save Itto's NA combo with Elemental Skill animations, while it can be difficult or even impossible with Sprinting. If a Sprint is followed by any animations, it won't save the NA combo. After a Sprint, you also need to start the NA animation before Post-Sprint starts to save the NA combo. Having a better understanding of Itto's Normal Attack mechanics can help with combo investigations.
Evidence: According to in-game description, "Itto's Normal Attack combo does not immediately reset after sprinting or using his Elemental Skill." Game data suggests that this combo non-reset ability works based on a combo saving modifier that's attached to certain types of animations. These animations include the following:
1. Elemental Skill animations: Pre-Skill, Skill, Hold-Skill, and Post-Skill.
2. Sprinting animations: Pre-Sprint, and Sprint. Notably, Post-Sprint is excluded.
All other animations (e.g. Charged Attacks or Burst) are excluded.
As long as there's a "chain" of such animations between two of Itto's Normal Attacks, the combo will not reset. For example:
- The combo "NA1 E D NA2" is possible because the animation chain is "Pre-Skill > Skill > Post-Skill > Pre-Sprint > Sprint".
- The combo "NA1 D E NA2" is impossible because the animation chain is "Pre-Sprint > Sprint > Post-Sprint > Pre-Skill > Skill > Post-Skill".
This video showcases some combos with animations that do and do not save Itto's NA combos: https://youtu.be/1xgzE4nTSoY.
Examples of combo-saving animations:
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tE
, tE > wait for post-Skill
, 2tE
, 3tE
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hE
, hE > hold for max duration
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D
, tE D
, hE D
Examples of non-combo-saving animations:
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tE > wait for after post-Skill
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D > wait for post-Sprint
, tE D > wait for post-Sprint
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D tE
, 2D
Significance: In summary, it's easy to save Itto's NA combo with Elemental Skill animations, while it can be difficult or even impossible with Sprinting. If a Sprint is followed by any animations, it won't save the NA combo. After a Sprint, you also need to start the NA animation before Post-Sprint starts to save the NA combo. Having a better understanding of Itto's Normal Attack mechanics can help with combo investigations.
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Mr. Pillow | PhD. in IttoSimpingThu, June 29, 2023 at 02:51 AM
@iridescnce would you be willing to record the examples above? the previous ticket already has many of them so shouldn't be too much work hopefully ![:yaehmm:](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1051687026090578030.png)
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you can leave the editing and uploading to yt to me
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🐟Thu, June 29, 2023 at 07:52 AM
What is this misinfo in my k q m
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is_this_maddieFri, June 30, 2023 at 01:58 AM
morbing
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Mr. Pillow | PhD. in IttoSimpingFri, June 30, 2023 at 11:44 PM
Note to transcriber: this ticket is replacing this one: https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/characters/geo/arataki-itto#itto-na-combo-non-reset-mechanics, remove the latter.
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minaSat, July 1, 2023 at 04:22 AM![:OMEGALUL:](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/867273141197864961.png)
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thank you for your honesty
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makeway4pkSun, July 2, 2023 at 07:50 AM
@Mr. Pillow | PhD. in IttoSimping
I'm seeing this ticket just now that's why I'm late, probably.
But, do you know about the n2 cancel reset itto can do?
I trust you will not let this go unexplained
https://imgur.io/a/yqyaDld
I'm seeing this ticket just now that's why I'm late, probably.
But, do you know about the n2 cancel reset itto can do?
I trust you will not let this go unexplained
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https://imgur.io/a/yqyaDld
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you might've seen N1 D N3
but I'll bet you've never seen a N1 D N1
but I'll bet you've never seen a N1 D N1
note: this clip is linked in the
Combo Mastersheet from Itto mains
Combo Mastersheet from Itto mains
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I had a chat with mr pillow in #763610791839924224 and it seems to be just the post sprint causing the reset in my clip
I had a chat with mr pillow in #763610791839924224 and it seems to be just the post sprint causing the reset in my clip
ticket seems solid
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nzpiefaceSun, July 2, 2023 at 05:12 PM
MFW
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WHAT
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aftermathrarMon, July 3, 2023 at 03:11 PMwell, 6f is the minimum the window can be nvm fuzzy memory, window should be fixed
there's a 6f (iirc) window on the crossover of each normal during which you can reset the string with a dash or E
but it's basically a gap right when starting the next NA in the chain
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makeway4pkMon, July 3, 2023 at 03:30 PM
yea, today I got it to reset after ushi on each step, if you wanna see, clips are in #│tc-discussion
*clip, singular
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