KQM | Genshin Impact
karkata-physics-and-infinite-ascension-theory
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TiBotSun, October 2, 2022 at 05:34 AM
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Theory/Finding/Bug: Title of your submission
Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or YouTube/Imgur proofs
Significance: Conclusion
Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or YouTube/Imgur proofs
Significance: Conclusion
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 05:35 AM
Evidence:
Moving character with spider: https://youtu.be/s-634jOBPpc
Moving character with spider and vice versa: https://youtu.be/Dntxc6JZEwA
Moving spider: https://youtu.be/qiqdOf8anhw
Moving cube with construct: https://youtu.be/Ei_lRukZBKE
Moving cube with construct and catching with gadget: https://youtu.be/vfRxM2jkcdQ
Significance:
It may seem to be the case that this knowledge of Karkata physics, in conjunction with the Stoves of Babel technique, allows one to hypothetically increase Karkata's height indefinitely, until there are no more stoves to place. From evidence, it is possible to displace Karkata onto a gadget. Once they are are on a gadget, displace Karkata by using a geo construct (easiest is GMC E) to push Karkata. Use a stove in order to provide the surface for the construct. Use another gadget to 'catch' Karkata at their new position. Rinse and repeat in order to raise Karkata.
However, this model does not account for several issues. The biggest issue is the capabilities of Stoves of Babel movement. Stoves of Babel ascends at a pace much greater than the rate at which Karkata ascends, based off the height gained in the videos. Furthermore, Stoves of Babel is incapable of lowering its vertical height. Therefore, once the player gains too much height, the player will not be able to freely place gadgets and constructs in order to keep raising Karkata. The player must remain close to Karkata, or the gadgets and Karkata will probably despawn, so dropping to the ground and rebuilding a new Tower of Babel is not feasible.
These issues could potentially be remedied in multiplayer, but as of now the behaviour of the Stove gadget is currently not fully understood. It will persist after someone leaves in multiplayer, but the limit on the number of stoves is unknown. If players can indeed drop in at the current player location and place a stove and leave without limitations, then it would be possible to infinitely raise Karkata. There would be a large 'buffer zone' underneath Karkata, with many Stoves placed to allow for quick movement. With the help of the extra stoves to place constructs on, the players must raise Karkata a distance greater than the minimum height increase of the Stoves every 5 minutes.
Finding:
Karkata has unique properties as a NPC. You can propel yourself off any NPC with the assistance of Geo constructs to place yourself inside of their hitbox, but thanks to Karkata's unique NPC hitbox, it is much easier to achieve propulsion. Compared to regular NPC hitbox propulsion, characters will also be launched at greater speed and distance. It is also possible to move Karkata using Geo constructs, and to move Karkata by running into him with the assistance of Geo constructs.
You can also displace Karkata upwards, and you can place a solid object like a gadget to catch them and suspend them in the air.
Karkata has unique properties as a NPC. You can propel yourself off any NPC with the assistance of Geo constructs to place yourself inside of their hitbox, but thanks to Karkata's unique NPC hitbox, it is much easier to achieve propulsion. Compared to regular NPC hitbox propulsion, characters will also be launched at greater speed and distance. It is also possible to move Karkata using Geo constructs, and to move Karkata by running into him with the assistance of Geo constructs.
You can also displace Karkata upwards, and you can place a solid object like a gadget to catch them and suspend them in the air.
Evidence:
Moving character with spider: https://youtu.be/s-634jOBPpc
Moving character with spider and vice versa: https://youtu.be/Dntxc6JZEwA
Moving spider: https://youtu.be/qiqdOf8anhw
Moving cube with construct: https://youtu.be/Ei_lRukZBKE
Moving cube with construct and catching with gadget: https://youtu.be/vfRxM2jkcdQ
Significance:
It may seem to be the case that this knowledge of Karkata physics, in conjunction with the Stoves of Babel technique, allows one to hypothetically increase Karkata's height indefinitely, until there are no more stoves to place. From evidence, it is possible to displace Karkata onto a gadget. Once they are are on a gadget, displace Karkata by using a geo construct (easiest is GMC E) to push Karkata. Use a stove in order to provide the surface for the construct. Use another gadget to 'catch' Karkata at their new position. Rinse and repeat in order to raise Karkata.
However, this model does not account for several issues. The biggest issue is the capabilities of Stoves of Babel movement. Stoves of Babel ascends at a pace much greater than the rate at which Karkata ascends, based off the height gained in the videos. Furthermore, Stoves of Babel is incapable of lowering its vertical height. Therefore, once the player gains too much height, the player will not be able to freely place gadgets and constructs in order to keep raising Karkata. The player must remain close to Karkata, or the gadgets and Karkata will probably despawn, so dropping to the ground and rebuilding a new Tower of Babel is not feasible.
These issues could potentially be remedied in multiplayer, but as of now the behaviour of the Stove gadget is currently not fully understood. It will persist after someone leaves in multiplayer, but the limit on the number of stoves is unknown. If players can indeed drop in at the current player location and place a stove and leave without limitations, then it would be possible to infinitely raise Karkata. There would be a large 'buffer zone' underneath Karkata, with many Stoves placed to allow for quick movement. With the help of the extra stoves to place constructs on, the players must raise Karkata a distance greater than the minimum height increase of the Stoves every 5 minutes.
makeway4pkSun, October 2, 2022 at 06:50 AM
to celestia!
ad celestia abyssosque!
waiting for tutorial
waiting for tutorial
Magnus Artifex | Chiori C1 how?Sun, October 2, 2022 at 12:29 PM
Ok but who’s karkata and how did you find this out
TibotSun, October 2, 2022 at 12:36 PM
did you complete Tighnari's story quest
Magnus Artifex | Chiori C1 how?Sun, October 2, 2022 at 12:37 PM
Gladge you asked because now I have an actual incentive to do so
Is he in existence prior or
TibotSun, October 2, 2022 at 12:38 PM
don't think so
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:00 PM
actually, need to check if you can place multiple gadgets in co op or not
otherwise the number of gadgets in single player isnt enough
but im afk 2 weeks to proc stellar reunion
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:36 PM
yes
makeway4pkSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:36 PM
-_-
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:41 PM
post and during
i got yeets
and moved it too
i can post some clips, i cba to upload to youtube yet though
makeway4pkSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:55 PM
have you tried star gems? I was fooling around with them and discovered I could see the gems thru sleeping sumpter beasts and move them while being pulled to a gem.
getting a sumpter beast in between me and a gem took time tho
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:55 PM
every enemy type is movable i think
makeway4pkSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:55 PM
ohh
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:55 PM
well
not sure actually
about like ruin guards
but one time my game glitched
mitachurl didnt aggro me
so i pushed it by running into it
it was kinda funny their axe on the ground was just like 10 meters away
the only problem is
moving karkata takes so long
hence why i call it a theory
especially for the infinite ascension
makeway4pkSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:56 PM
yaa
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:56 PM
it would take so long and be so precise
i dont want to actually test it
moving karkata to a star gem location would be pain
although, idk if youve seen it
but npcs can move npcs really well
makeway4pkSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:57 PM
oh ya that I've seen
makeway4pkSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:58 PM
very
aeveanleeowSun, October 2, 2022 at 03:58 PM
the aranara can drag multiple people with them lol
if i still had aranakula
maybe i would try moving karkata with it
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daibangdenSun, October 9, 2022 at 06:44 PM
aeveanleeowSun, October 9, 2022 at 08:08 PM
i cant finish it i need to proc stellar reunion
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wait i maybe fucked up
i am unsure if infinite ascension is doable
it is doable with infinite stoves i will have to test that first
makeway4pkThu, October 27, 2022 at 04:11 AM
if u need co-op, dm me in advance, we'll see if we can match play times
aeveanleeowSat, October 29, 2022 at 04:22 PM
hmm wait actually with infinite stoves
i would also have to test how people join in co op
if they join next to you its fine or otherwise its unsustainable
given that the host can be any height n over the ground but the rate at which joiners can ascend is limited to the speed of the camera glitch, which will eventually be outscaled and they cant make it up before the stoves expire
makeway4pkSat, October 29, 2022 at 06:25 PM
they join next to your last 'stable ground' location even if it's a point sized tip of a building, has to be 'stable'
m guessing stoves won't count but, I hope they're an exception
'stable' is my term, not frm datamine or anyth
aeveanleeowSat, October 29, 2022 at 06:48 PM
are you NA ?
makeway4pkSat, October 29, 2022 at 06:48 PM
ahh, no
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is_this_maddieSun, November 6, 2022 at 03:02 AM
@aeveanleeow 
aeveanleeowSun, November 6, 2022 at 03:10 AM
no u
respect the rockWed, November 9, 2022 at 11:30 AM
Karkata is not considered a Sumeru character 
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effab1eThu, November 17, 2022 at 02:42 AM
@aeveanleeow how is progress looking
aeveanleeowThu, November 17, 2022 at 04:30 AM
idk i need to organize to test the stove limit
emperorofnutsSat, November 19, 2022 at 10:45 PM
aeveanleeowSat, November 26, 2022 at 06:33 PM
alright fuck it
ill leave the infinite ascension significance for the infinite stove ticket, if it does turn out to be the case
TiBotSat, November 26, 2022 at 06:47 PM
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couldnt verify this bc tibot was 
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