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lyney-basic-mechanics
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TiBotWed, August 16, 2023 at 02:18 AM
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Lyney Basic Mechanics Ticket
Put all mechanics findings for Lyney here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
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Please use the following format for any basic mechanics submissions:
Mechanics of Interest
1. Gauges
2. ICD
3. Frames
4. Skill mechanics
5. Burst mechanics
6. Constellation Mechanics
Put all mechanics findings for Lyney here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
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Please use the following format for any basic mechanics submissions:
Finding:
Evidence:
Significance:Mechanics of Interest
1. Gauges
2. ICD
3. Frames
4. Skill mechanics
5. Burst mechanics
6. Constellation Mechanics
Quincy | Coffee PleaseWed, August 16, 2023 at 03:11 AM
Specifically helpful info would to know would be Grim-Malkin Hat snapshotting info, and Grim-Malkin Hat compatibility with Amos and Slingshot
πWed, August 16, 2023 at 03:36 AM
Finding: Lyney can not lose vertical height during the Grim-Malkin Cat state, allowing him to fly for a short duration
Evidence: https://youtu.be/gS2WsY4nVW0
Significance: potentially could be used with Albedo/Zhongli to avoid certain attacks?
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/gS2WsY4nVW0
Significance: potentially could be used with Albedo/Zhongli to avoid certain attacks?
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littlefox2512Wed, August 16, 2023 at 06:24 AM
hat does snapshot
amos passive does work with hat
https://streamable.com/je3g3z
https://streamable.com/je3g3z
Quincy | Coffee PleaseWed, August 16, 2023 at 06:34 AM
Thank you so much
If Hat snapshots and Hats seem to vary in damage with Amos they probably inherit the Prop Arrow's stacks
f99shiWed, August 16, 2023 at 01:32 PM
Finding: Lyney Q gives him 50% damage reduction
Evidence:
https://imgur.com/a/QT6aW9F solo
https://imgur.com/a/ZA6Wc6u with XQ (proof that its additive with other sources of DR)
Significance: Not a single word about this in the description.. hoyo what are you doing
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Evidence:
https://imgur.com/a/QT6aW9F solo
https://imgur.com/a/ZA6Wc6u with XQ (proof that its additive with other sources of DR)
Significance: Not a single word about this in the description.. hoyo what are you doing
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Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademyWed, August 16, 2023 at 06:17 PM
Finding: Amos' Bow and Slingshot interaction with Grim-Malkin Hat's Pyrotechnic Strike is as follows. The bonus is calculated as if the charged attack was fired the moment Pyrotechnic Strike was launched (regardless of Lyney's Prop Arrows). If elemental skill was being used to detonate the Grim-Malkin Hat, the time is counted as 0s.
Evidence: 60/60 (no A4 passive) Lyney with no DMG% bonused was being used. A quick calc shows that, in these particular tests, Pyrotechnic Strikes were considered as being flying between 0.3-0.4s. Edit: got Slingshot confused a bit at the image, the upper one is >0.3s (the one that has -10%) obviously.
https://youtu.be/b37bOvKir5c
Significance: a general idea how it works, although for calculations purposes further tests are required to determine how often either bonus thresholds are achieved in practice. This is not shown in the evidence video, but I ran around a bit and observed that against a Ruin Guard (large target) Slingshot has about 50/50 chance to get the bonus, whereas against hilichurls it pretty much always has -10%.
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Evidence: 60/60 (no A4 passive) Lyney with no DMG% bonused was being used. A quick calc shows that, in these particular tests, Pyrotechnic Strikes were considered as being flying between 0.3-0.4s. Edit: got Slingshot confused a bit at the image, the upper one is >0.3s (the one that has -10%) obviously.
https://youtu.be/b37bOvKir5c
Significance: a general idea how it works, although for calculations purposes further tests are required to determine how often either bonus thresholds are achieved in practice. This is not shown in the evidence video, but I ran around a bit and observed that against a Ruin Guard (large target) Slingshot has about 50/50 chance to get the bonus, whereas against hilichurls it pretty much always has -10%.
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chronopolizeWed, August 16, 2023 at 06:53 PM
i got the same Pyrotechnic arrow dmg from close and far range
i tested it and it seems like i'm getting 5 amos stacks consistently (tho i'm not sure about other enemies)
Finding: Pyrotechnic arrow appears to get 5 stacks whether fired from far or close. I'm not sure the exact mechanic or if this is consistent for other kinds of enemies. E-triggered explosion has 0 amos stacks (still counts as CA damage),
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2Evidence: Test video with 70/70 lyney, enemy with pyro aura, Lyney without any prop stacks and <=60% hp, No External buffs. Visible damage numbers matched 0stk and 5stk predicted damage.
Significance: Amos buffs lyney's ST damage a lot.
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Significance: Amos buffs lyney's ST damage a lot.
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kolibri._.Thu, August 24, 2023 at 06:49 PM
Finding: Lyney frame counts
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/fmKm5ddt7I4
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gnA8r59Zp4gMIWTeOyW04hUikeNyrHIL7Ujbc-QATjs/edit?usp=sharing
Significance: TCL stuff
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Evidence:
https://youtu.be/fmKm5ddt7I4
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gnA8r59Zp4gMIWTeOyW04hUikeNyrHIL7Ujbc-QATjs/edit?usp=sharing
Significance: TCL stuff
Lyney - frames
0:00 Grin-Malkin Hat - hitmark
0:20 E - hitmark
0:29 E Grin-Malkin Hat - hitmark
0:39 Q - hitmark
1:15 NA String (including N4 β N1)
1:26 N1 β CA
1:32 N1 β W
1:41 N2 β CA
1:48 N2 β W
1:57 N3 β CA
2:07 N3 β W
2:18 N4 β W
2:30 CA Lv. 0
2:38 CA Lv. 1
2:48 CA Lv. 2
3:01 E β N1
3:08 E β CA
3:17 E β E
3:29 E β Q
3:35 E β D
3:42 E β J
3:50 E β...
0:20 E - hitmark
0:29 E Grin-Malkin Hat - hitmark
0:39 Q - hitmark
1:15 NA String (including N4 β N1)
1:26 N1 β CA
1:32 N1 β W
1:41 N2 β CA
1:48 N2 β W
1:57 N3 β CA
2:07 N3 β W
2:18 N4 β W
2:30 CA Lv. 0
2:38 CA Lv. 1
2:48 CA Lv. 2
3:01 E β N1
3:08 E β CA
3:17 E β E
3:29 E β Q
3:35 E β D
3:42 E β J
3:50 E β...
Lyney Frames
Attacks
Trial 1,Trial 2,Trial 3
Release,N1,17,17,16,no hitlag,- Frames it takes to go from "Start of Animation of the action" to "Bright circle appears"
N2,12,12,12,no hitlag
N3-1,20,20,20,no hitlag
N3-2,29,29,29,no hitlag, counting from start
N4,29,29,29,no hitlag
CA Lv. 0,15,14,15,hitlag if he...
Trial 1,Trial 2,Trial 3
Release,N1,17,17,16,no hitlag,- Frames it takes to go from "Start of Animation of the action" to "Bright circle appears"
N2,12,12,12,no hitlag
N3-1,20,20,20,no hitlag
N3-2,29,29,29,no hitlag, counting from start
N4,29,29,29,no hitlag
CA Lv. 0,15,14,15,hitlag if he...
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luno_Mon, August 28, 2023 at 06:47 AM
Finding: Grin-Malkin cat created by Prop Arrow snapshots on creation
Evidence: https://youtu.be/w4zKHyNoXxo?si=ygXD8ykH_H2hsMbc
Significance: Further understanding of Lyneyβs snapshot mechanics for calcs2
Evidence: https://youtu.be/w4zKHyNoXxo?si=ygXD8ykH_H2hsMbc
Significance: Further understanding of Lyneyβs snapshot mechanics for calcs
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jensenvonjensenTue, August 29, 2023 at 04:53 PM
Has anyone been able to test if the first 12% stack on 4MH applies to the first Prop Arrow you fire on Lynney?
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chronopolizeTue, August 29, 2023 at 06:36 PM
Finding: Lyney's CA that drains hp does not get it's own 12% crit MH stack
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblKD2-9WNE
Firing with 92% crit rate 4p MH set, the charged attack did not crit, meaning the arrow snapshotted before the crit buff.
Significance: Lyney damage calcs. The first 3 arrows will have 0%, 12%, and 36% crit buff (with bennet heal).
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblKD2-9WNE
Firing with 92% crit rate 4p MH set, the charged attack did not crit, meaning the arrow snapshotted before the crit buff.
Significance: Lyney damage calcs. The first 3 arrows will have 0%, 12%, and 36% crit buff (with bennet heal).
Finding: Lyney pyrotechnic strike can trigger Beidou's coordinated strike if he is on-field
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ByFoNk6Vy8
Significance: It could be possible for him to force coordinated strikes to occur after his PS by CA'ing the ground once. This would allow Lyney's PS to hit pyro aura, before the coordinated strike interacts with the aura. Though to be effective this would require a coordinated strike with a 2 second cooldown.
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ByFoNk6Vy8
Significance: It could be possible for him to force coordinated strikes to occur after his PS by CA'ing the ground once. This would allow Lyney's PS to hit pyro aura, before the coordinated strike interacts with the aura. Though to be effective this would require a coordinated strike with a 2 second cooldown.
AnmaruWed, September 13, 2023 at 05:53 AM
Finding: Lyney's Prop Arrow from his Charged Attack can hit multiple enemies grouped very closely together.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/tOIOOena330 - 100% CRIT Rate (Slingshot); Prop Arrow = 18629
Significance: AoE synergy with (strong) grouping, e.g. Venti and Kazuha
Evidence: https://youtu.be/tOIOOena330 - 100% CRIT Rate (Slingshot); Prop Arrow = 18629
Significance: AoE synergy with (strong) grouping, e.g. Venti and Kazuha
TiBotSun, October 29, 2023 at 09:34 AM
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