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nahida-basic-mechanics
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cxycxyWed, November 2, 2022 at 02:48 AM
NA: 1U
CA: 1U
E Cast: 1U
TKP Proc: 1.5U
NA: Standard
CA: No ICD
NA and CA: Not Shared
E Cast: No ICD
TKP Proc: No ICD (even with C1/Electro Units in the party)
E Cast and TKP: Not Shared
• Only produces particles through TKP Procs https://youtu.be/8PwZ14v1OTY
• Particle Generation has 7s ICD (although is inconsistent in practice possibly due to connectivity factors) https://youtu.be/h5Hm4wz12gs
• TKP Procs with any Reaction (with a few things to keep in mind) https://youtu.be/0TscdMjsiXg
- Environment-triggered reactions also proc TKP
- Order of operations with casting E have the seed marking be after the damage instance and reaction. As a result, applying Hydro/Pyro/Electro and then casting Nahida E only causes Bloom/Burning/Quicken respectively but does not trigger TKP unlike when executed in reverse
- Second-stage Bloom reactions (Dendro Core Explosion/Hyperbloom/Burgeon) trigger TKP too upon hitting an enemy that is marked
- Burning ticks and refueling Dendro Gauge when the enemy already has a Burning Status do not trigger TKP (not considered a reaction cause no "Burning" text shows up?)
- Refreshing Freeze Gauge triggers TKP (shows "Freeze" reaction text)
•DMG Bonus is Additive with other common Damage Bonuses (lemme know if this doesnt really need clarification)
Video https://youtu.be/UwJ-GGAKU20
Calcs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18XF_sY_rjQMJBtP8Uxj6jwiwLTqmYQpr4tuprnL5sDM
Gauges https://youtu.be/6fKlgbr6_gMNA: 1U
CA: 1U
E Cast: 1U
TKP Proc: 1.5U
ICDs https://youtu.be/ieSkjwH62twNA: Standard
CA: No ICD
NA and CA: Not Shared
E Cast: No ICD
TKP Proc: No ICD (even with C1/Electro Units in the party)
E Cast and TKP: Not Shared
Skill• Only produces particles through TKP Procs https://youtu.be/8PwZ14v1OTY
• Particle Generation has 7s ICD (although is inconsistent in practice possibly due to connectivity factors) https://youtu.be/h5Hm4wz12gs
• TKP Procs with any Reaction (with a few things to keep in mind) https://youtu.be/0TscdMjsiXg
- Environment-triggered reactions also proc TKP
- Order of operations with casting E have the seed marking be after the damage instance and reaction. As a result, applying Hydro/Pyro/Electro and then casting Nahida E only causes Bloom/Burning/Quicken respectively but does not trigger TKP unlike when executed in reverse
- Second-stage Bloom reactions (Dendro Core Explosion/Hyperbloom/Burgeon) trigger TKP too upon hitting an enemy that is marked
- Burning ticks and refueling Dendro Gauge when the enemy already has a Burning Status do not trigger TKP (not considered a reaction cause no "Burning" text shows up?)
- Refreshing Freeze Gauge triggers TKP (shows "Freeze" reaction text)
Burst•DMG Bonus is Additive with other common Damage Bonuses (lemme know if this doesnt really need clarification)
Video https://youtu.be/UwJ-GGAKU20
Calcs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18XF_sY_rjQMJBtP8Uxj6jwiwLTqmYQpr4tuprnL5sDM
•Snapshots EM Value on Cast https://youtu.be/wMjH-8-f1Fc
•EM Buff can be Snapshotted for Amp Reactions https://youtu.be/6pJ5kkQb2yc
•Interaction with Weapons and External EM Scaling Abilities
Hunter's Path - ✓ works https://youtu.be/XvK36Parbac
Kazuha A4 - ✘ does not work https://youtu.be/GOdUxunhbCM
Sucrose A4 - ✘ does not work https://youtu.be/P4Ofb-OMpNE
•Is Dynamic and receptive to EM Buff Sources https://youtu.be/079sksHUoNM
Dendro Resonance Proc, Elegy, Gilded Proc, and Sucrose A4 have all been tested and confirmed to increase Nahida A4
•Critting Component is Dependent on Target, Not on Source (a bloom critting on Target 1 does not mean it's guaranteed to crit on Target 2 as well, just like how damage generally works) https://youtu.be/ERWXkZvjfck
•DEF Shred affects even non-Electro and non-Dendro Damage https://youtu.be/w48h-BPmQhQ
A1•Snapshots EM Value on Cast https://youtu.be/wMjH-8-f1Fc
•EM Buff can be Snapshotted for Amp Reactions https://youtu.be/6pJ5kkQb2yc
•Interaction with Weapons and External EM Scaling Abilities
Hunter's Path - ✓ works https://youtu.be/XvK36Parbac
Kazuha A4 - ✘ does not work https://youtu.be/GOdUxunhbCM
Sucrose A4 - ✘ does not work https://youtu.be/P4Ofb-OMpNE
A4•Is Dynamic and receptive to EM Buff Sources https://youtu.be/079sksHUoNM
Dendro Resonance Proc, Elegy, Gilded Proc, and Sucrose A4 have all been tested and confirmed to increase Nahida A4
C2•Critting Component is Dependent on Target, Not on Source (a bloom critting on Target 1 does not mean it's guaranteed to crit on Target 2 as well, just like how damage generally works) https://youtu.be/ERWXkZvjfck
•DEF Shred affects even non-Electro and non-Dendro Damage https://youtu.be/w48h-BPmQhQ
ReensWed, November 2, 2022 at 02:49 AM
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🐟Wed, November 2, 2022 at 03:49 AM
Finding: Nahida A1 interaction with weapons scaling on EM
Nahida A1 does not appear to affect the buffs on weapons scaling on EM that buff stats
Evidence:
Scarlet Sands: No - https://youtu.be/B0rnhzcPMvM
Xiphos: No - https://youtu.be/vHNeJ7rIXwU (expected value:~130%)
Evenstar: No - https://youtu.be/kTjYC1n8FNM (expected value: 339)
Significance:
Attempting to buff the values of these weapons with Nahida burst does not work
Nahida A1 does not appear to affect the buffs on weapons scaling on EM that buff stats
Evidence:
Scarlet Sands: No - https://youtu.be/B0rnhzcPMvM
Xiphos: No - https://youtu.be/vHNeJ7rIXwU (expected value:~130%)
Evenstar: No - https://youtu.be/kTjYC1n8FNM (expected value: 339)
Significance:
Attempting to buff the values of these weapons with Nahida burst does not work
Magnus Artifex | Xilo C2 betWed, November 2, 2022 at 05:17 AM
Please put is in the format uwu thanks
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nzpiefaceWed, November 2, 2022 at 05:32 AM
Finding: Nahida makes sounds when she starts to walk, starting/stopping sprinting, and while jumping. It's a repeating melody.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/8XqMSz9o7PY
Notes: If someone else doesn't map out the tune, I'll do it later.
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/8XqMSz9o7PY
Notes: If someone else doesn't map out the tune, I'll do it later.
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Your JuneWed, November 2, 2022 at 05:57 AM
Finding: Nahida Hold E Max Range
Evidences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUh7HDN4SDs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1BuY11QEu0
Significance: The range isn't infinite
Evidences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUh7HDN4SDs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1BuY11QEu0
Significance: The range isn't infinite
🐟Wed, November 2, 2022 at 06:03 AM
Finding: Nahida C1 does not require presence of an element to add to the count.
Evidence:
Burst lasts longer than 15s with no Hydro in party - https://youtu.be/-VxKPymJxgk
Skill damage increased after burst with no pyro in party - https://youtu.be/eOOUZHQ_bbk
Significance:
Understanding Nahida's C1's effect and how it may impact team building.
Evidence:
Burst lasts longer than 15s with no Hydro in party - https://youtu.be/-VxKPymJxgk
Skill damage increased after burst with no pyro in party - https://youtu.be/eOOUZHQ_bbk
Significance:
Understanding Nahida's C1's effect and how it may impact team building.
tinybabybreadWed, November 2, 2022 at 08:02 AM
Finding: Nahida hold E requires the target to have just 1 frame of exposure for it to be marked
Targets outside the skill border but in between two frames on a quick swipe will not be marked
Evidence: https://youtu.be/yRlBseg2tac
Significance: If you play at 30fps and/or you swipe too fast, Nahida hold E may miss some targets. On the plus side, it's good to know that 1 frame is all you need to ensure a target is marked
Targets outside the skill border but in between two frames on a quick swipe will not be marked
Evidence: https://youtu.be/yRlBseg2tac
Significance: If you play at 30fps and/or you swipe too fast, Nahida hold E may miss some targets. On the plus side, it's good to know that 1 frame is all you need to ensure a target is marked
VanIna | Dead by DeadlineWed, November 2, 2022 at 09:03 AM
Finding: Nahida's death will end her E duration at the end of her death animation, but her Q will continue to be on field
Evidence: https://youtu.be/XbhQ_F89_aI
Significant: Understand her death's interaction to her skills
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/XbhQ_F89_aI
Significant: Understand her death's interaction to her skills
34Finding: Nahida when holding E will allow her float in the air, which makes some enemies' melee attacks could not reach her and also allows her to dodge upcoming bullets toward her previous location
Evidence: https://youtu.be/OszYFcsQGag
Significant: New technique for Nahida
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/OszYFcsQGag
Significant: New technique for Nahida
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soloxcxWed, November 2, 2022 at 12:07 PM
Can you check this with the other elements? My basic testing may have suggested that C1 adding +1 to an element not in your party is not consistent across all elements, further testing pending.
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Jila | Damselette's used undiesWed, November 2, 2022 at 12:16 PM
Finding: Nahida C6 take advantage of the damage bonus from her burst (from pyro characters in the team) and from Ascension 4 talent
Evidence : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LG-CVjQH4M
Significance : C6 works as intended
Evidence : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LG-CVjQH4M
Significance : C6 works as intended
🐟Wed, November 2, 2022 at 12:17 PM
It does https://youtu.be/eOOUZHQ_bbk (added to original comment too - electro would be more annoying to test though)
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Finding: Nahida A1 interaction with other EM scaling abilities
Evidence:
Cyno A4 - https://youtu.be/_B9nVXyzJEI
Dendro Traveler A4 - https://youtu.be/5KfnlgRPBR8
Tighnari A4 - https://youtu.be/u1KM8GqhS2U
Nahida A1 to Sucrose A4 - https://youtu.be/6bKfkb7kkvY - A4 share is not increased, as expected
Yae A4 - https://youtu.be/yb0a2BEdXUw
Significance: Other abilities work as expected
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Evidence:
Cyno A4 - https://youtu.be/_B9nVXyzJEI
Dendro Traveler A4 - https://youtu.be/5KfnlgRPBR8
Tighnari A4 - https://youtu.be/u1KM8GqhS2U
Nahida A1 to Sucrose A4 - https://youtu.be/6bKfkb7kkvY - A4 share is not increased, as expected
Yae A4 - https://youtu.be/yb0a2BEdXUw
Significance: Other abilities work as expected
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1Your JuneWed, November 2, 2022 at 01:11 PM
Finding: Nahida's Hold E's interaction with "invisible" enemies
Evidences:
ASIMON - https://youtu.be/Bf1wIV16FvY
Fatui Agent - https://youtu.be/YTjc3TBFRgA
Primal Construct - https://youtu.be/e-ukoo4h4TY
Significance: Nahida's Hold E is inconsistent against against enemies that can go "invisible", Nahida can use her Hold E to find ASIMON and Primal Constructs, but not for Fatui Agent
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Evidences:
ASIMON - https://youtu.be/Bf1wIV16FvY
Fatui Agent - https://youtu.be/YTjc3TBFRgA
Primal Construct - https://youtu.be/e-ukoo4h4TY
Significance: Nahida's Hold E is inconsistent against against enemies that can go "invisible", Nahida can use her Hold E to find ASIMON and Primal Constructs, but not for Fatui Agent
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JukoWed, November 2, 2022 at 02:10 PM
Characters in quests have different, unvoiced voicelines under Nahida E than their normal voicelines
https://youtu.be/Z4zh64gCXgs
https://youtu.be/RowGOEuP2uc
https://youtu.be/Z4zh64gCXgs
https://youtu.be/RowGOEuP2uc
( ,, •̀ ⤙ •́ ,,)Wed, November 2, 2022 at 03:25 PM
Finding: Nahida hold E has highest form of super armor. Description already mentions "During this time, Nahida's resistance to interruption will be increased" but apparently this description is inconsistent among other characters.
Evidence: Video with delayed exploding barrel (pyro) explosion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZooxP-DvEI
Evidence: Video with delayed exploding barrel (pyro) explosion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZooxP-DvEI
also a bit of fluff but controller players are doomed with hold E if they're going for full 360 degree spin due to turn angle capped speed (can upload to yt if needed)
significance: might be an important factor in "should you wish for" video
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significance: might be an important factor in "should you wish for" video
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alararWed, November 2, 2022 at 09:11 PM
Can you double check this? Sometimes the buffs don't show up on the character screen. You have to actually do some damage to be sure. I just tested it on Tighnari's bow, Hunter's Path, and Nahida's A1 definitely boosted its charge attack buff.
🐟Wed, November 2, 2022 at 09:12 PM
I should specify the ones that boost stats I suppose, path was tested in an earlier one (Evenstar I tested with damage too, it doesn't change)
alararWed, November 2, 2022 at 09:15 PM
Ahhh ok. Thanks for clarifying
Silvershine2 | No fridgesWed, November 2, 2022 at 09:42 PM
Finding: Nahida can only collect up to 5 items with her passive talent "On all things meditated" at a time. Marking enemies at the same time does not count towards this limit
Evidence:
Collection limit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTnKAnRNtyo
Enemies do not count: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyckwHrmMf0
Significance: Decreased utility, especially for harvesting sweetflowers in vasmyti garden. Can combine collecting items and fighting
Evidence:
Collection limit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTnKAnRNtyo
Enemies do not count: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyckwHrmMf0
Significance: Decreased utility, especially for harvesting sweetflowers in vasmyti garden. Can combine collecting items and fighting
Finding: Nahida can only mark up to 8 enemies with a single use of all schemes to know, but more than 8 enemies can be affected by seeds of skandha at the same time
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXQaHkVOwd8
Significance: Implications for mobbing scenarios, however more than 8 enemies is exceptionally rare
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXQaHkVOwd8
Significance: Implications for mobbing scenarios, however more than 8 enemies is exceptionally rare
🐟Wed, November 2, 2022 at 11:03 PM
Finding: Nahida Charged Attack can be canceled extremely early
Evidence: https://youtu.be/nDZqv5beJds
Significance: Understanding Nahida's cancel window and potentially a burst option as her CA does not have an ICD allowing all of them to trigger reactions.3
Evidence: https://youtu.be/nDZqv5beJds
Significance: Understanding Nahida's cancel window and potentially a burst option as her CA does not have an ICD allowing all of them to trigger reactions.
3nzpiefaceThu, November 3, 2022 at 07:16 AM
Finding: Nahida's C2 allows Bloom, Hyperbloom, and Burgeon to trigger Favonius effects. Burning does not work.
Evidence:
Bloom https://youtu.be/qUZn2eGIPHI
Burgeon https://youtu.be/owjzp8-xoe8
Hyperbloom https://youtu.be/jyNc0Uw2AyU
Burn https://youtu.be/pWT7Q_BctFE
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Evidence:
Bloom https://youtu.be/qUZn2eGIPHI
Burgeon https://youtu.be/owjzp8-xoe8
Hyperbloom https://youtu.be/jyNc0Uw2AyU
Burn https://youtu.be/pWT7Q_BctFE
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SeraphThu, November 3, 2022 at 01:50 PM
Ok, here's a big one
Finding: Nahida's collection ability using her Skill has several requirements, which can probably be summarized as follows: Target must have sparkle effect indicating collectability, must not require further "processing" (attacks, Elemental application, blunt damage, etc.)
This means no ores, no living beings (Onikabuto count due to not being living beings), no plants which require Elements to collect (e.g. Dandelions, Sakura Blossoms)
Her Skill also works with the Seed Dispensary, allowing collection of seeds from a distance
The range at which it can mark enemies appears to be the distance at which the level indicator appears
Evidence:https://youtu.be/hw-pp7A-A6k
https://youtu.be/ZT99bXZhsbM
https://youtu.be/PpND5XIKbh0
https://youtu.be/th1Cy3aiZ3E
https://youtu.be/Edm6Xn64JXE
https://youtu.be/fraMBXt2-CI
Significance: We know what can be collected or not, and we can gather seeds en masse
Her Skill isn't infinite, and we know where it ends
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Finding: Nahida's collection ability using her Skill has several requirements, which can probably be summarized as follows: Target must have sparkle effect indicating collectability, must not require further "processing" (attacks, Elemental application, blunt damage, etc.)
This means no ores, no living beings (Onikabuto count due to not being living beings), no plants which require Elements to collect (e.g. Dandelions, Sakura Blossoms)
Her Skill also works with the Seed Dispensary, allowing collection of seeds from a distance
The range at which it can mark enemies appears to be the distance at which the level indicator appears
Evidence:https://youtu.be/hw-pp7A-A6k
https://youtu.be/ZT99bXZhsbM
https://youtu.be/PpND5XIKbh0
https://youtu.be/th1Cy3aiZ3E
https://youtu.be/Edm6Xn64JXE
https://youtu.be/fraMBXt2-CI
Significance: We know what can be collected or not, and we can gather seeds en masse
Her Skill isn't infinite, and we know where it ends
Nahida Skill on Ore
For KQM TC purposes
Nahida's Skill does not collect ore, whether in mineable form or item form. Electro Crystals also cannot be collected.
Nahida's Skill does not collect ore, whether in mineable form or item form. Electro Crystals also cannot be collected.
Nahida Skill on Animals and Collectibles with Requirements
For KQM TC purposes
Nahida's Skill cannot harvest meat-producing animals. It also cannot harvest plant-based objects which require certain Elements to harvest.
Nahida's Skill cannot harvest meat-producing animals. It also cannot harvest plant-based objects which require certain Elements to harvest.
Nahida Skill on Onikabuto
For KQM TC purposes
Despite being an "animal", Onikabuto can be collected using Nahida's Skill. Presumably they aren't considered animals by the game since they function like a plant-based local specialty.
Despite being an "animal", Onikabuto can be collected using Nahida's Skill. Presumably they aren't considered animals by the game since they function like a plant-based local specialty.
Nahida Skill and Seed Dispensary
For KQM TC purposes
Nahida's Skill works with the Seed Dispensary gadget. There's no need to sacrifice comfort for farming, rather they can coexist and become even better.
Nahida's Skill works with the Seed Dispensary gadget. There's no need to sacrifice comfort for farming, rather they can coexist and become even better.
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Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademyThu, November 3, 2022 at 02:53 PM
Regarding the "EM Buff can be Snapshotted" it should be noted that your test involves Vaporize reaction which indeed alongside with Melt uses snapshotted EM value. That is not true, however, for transformative reactions and for Aggravate/Spread (see #dendro-basic-mechanics ).
Just clarifying in case anyone misunderstands.
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Just clarifying in case anyone misunderstands.
3nzpiefaceThu, November 3, 2022 at 05:31 PM
Finding: Fischl A4 happens before Nahida E. (Around 200 ms ping.)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/EFFh9XunGac
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/EFFh9XunGac
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emmausThu, November 3, 2022 at 08:42 PM
Finding: Nahida's Hold E doesn't trigger whooperflower mimics.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/vdIV6JiXJoc
Significance: No more sus flowers
Evidence: https://youtu.be/vdIV6JiXJoc
Significance: No more sus flowers
siowyThu, November 3, 2022 at 11:05 PM
Finding: Tap E can also harvest nearby collectibles. Harvesting is not exclusive to Hold E.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/lEoOdkmBcgA
Significance: Faster gathering of berries and other clumps of collectibles with less repetitive strain injury pressing F.10
Evidence: https://youtu.be/lEoOdkmBcgA
Significance: Faster gathering of berries and other clumps of collectibles with less repetitive strain injury pressing F.
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rarepossumFri, November 4, 2022 at 02:07 AM
Finding: Nahidas E does not snapshot
Evidence:
After eating adeptus temptation, her E damage goes from 3611 to 4071
https://i.imgur.com/JPquuuY.mp4
Evidence:
After eating adeptus temptation, her E damage goes from 3611 to 4071
https://i.imgur.com/JPquuuY.mp4
senkinoyuudachiFri, November 4, 2022 at 08:23 AM
Finding: Nahida A4 takes account of her A1 (or at least the dmg bonus)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/3ey7utHcFQo
Significance: More understanding how A4 works with other EM buff sources
Evidence: https://youtu.be/3ey7utHcFQo
TKP scale
154.8% Atk
309.6% EM
Q buff
22.3% dmg bonus (C1)
TKP dmg no Q 12383
Nahida stats
853 EM
1280 Atk
45% base dmg bonus
+65.3% from A4
E base dmg * (1 + dmg bonus) * a = 12383
=> a = 1.2739
TKP dmg w/ Q 16642
Nahida stats
1066.25 EM
1280 Atk
E base dmg = 5282.55
=> dmg bonus = 2.4730 - 1 = 1.4730
=> dmg bonus from A4 = 1.4730 - 0.45 - 0.223 = 0.8000 = 80%Significance: More understanding how A4 works with other EM buff sources
daibangdenFri, November 4, 2022 at 09:41 AM
Finding: Elemental reactions triggered by enemies can proc TKP
Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/06h8OPg
Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/06h8OPg
sr_headSat, November 5, 2022 at 03:59 AM
Finding: Nahida Hold E Max Range approx. 26 meters in-game
Evidences: https://youtu.be/G1aeymrfD-k
Significance: Better understanding to the max range of Nahida's hold E.
Evidences: https://youtu.be/G1aeymrfD-k
Significance: Better understanding to the max range of Nahida's hold E.
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jasSat, November 5, 2022 at 07:14 AM
Thanks to tabithanya#7398 for this result (they are not in KQM)
Finding: Gilded Dreams 4-piece EM counts towards Nahida's A1 buff.
Additional Finding: Nahida A1 snapshots highest EM in the party upon cast. This means that if a character has X EM when Nahida casts her burst, and then their EM decreases below X (i.e. if the 4-piece Gilded Dreams buff expires), the buff granted to the on-field character by Nahida's A1 does not decrease.
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49pwejg8NKc
Significance: better understanding of Nahida's A1 buff. Could impact rotation crafting, especially if a team member carries 4-piece Gilded Dreams.
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Finding: Gilded Dreams 4-piece EM counts towards Nahida's A1 buff.
Additional Finding: Nahida A1 snapshots highest EM in the party upon cast. This means that if a character has X EM when Nahida casts her burst, and then their EM decreases below X (i.e. if the 4-piece Gilded Dreams buff expires), the buff granted to the on-field character by Nahida's A1 does not decrease.
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49pwejg8NKc
Significance: better understanding of Nahida's A1 buff. Could impact rotation crafting, especially if a team member carries 4-piece Gilded Dreams.
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kolibri._.Sat, November 5, 2022 at 10:29 AM
Finding: Nahida frame counts
Evidence: https://youtu.be/GuEA10wWfcw
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MBeFddkD4OtHdBMncqW_j18NC-lUMqA9noVo_pH26H0/edit?usp=sharing
Significance: TCL stuff
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/GuEA10wWfcw
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MBeFddkD4OtHdBMncqW_j18NC-lUMqA9noVo_pH26H0/edit?usp=sharing
Significance: TCL stuff
Nahida - frames
0:00 NA String - hitmark
0:11 CA - hitmark
0:20 Tap E - hitmark
0:28 Tri-Karma Purification - hitmark
0:37 Hold E - hitmark
0:47 Hold E - max duration
1:14 Q - hitmark
2:13 NA String (including N4 ➔ N1)
2:30 N1 ➔ CA
2:41 N1 ➔ E
2:50 N1 ➔ Q
3:01 N1 ➔ D
3:13 N1 ➔ J
3:22 N1 ➔ Walk
3:30 N1 ➔ Swap
3:39 N2 ➔ CA
3:52 N2 ➔ E
4:00 N2 ➔ Q
4:13 N2 ...
0:11 CA - hitmark
0:20 Tap E - hitmark
0:28 Tri-Karma Purification - hitmark
0:37 Hold E - hitmark
0:47 Hold E - max duration
1:14 Q - hitmark
2:13 NA String (including N4 ➔ N1)
2:30 N1 ➔ CA
2:41 N1 ➔ E
2:50 N1 ➔ Q
3:01 N1 ➔ D
3:13 N1 ➔ J
3:22 N1 ➔ Walk
3:30 N1 ➔ Swap
3:39 N2 ➔ CA
3:52 N2 ➔ E
4:00 N2 ➔ Q
4:13 N2 ...
Nahida Frames
Attacks
Trial 1,Trial 2,Trial 3
Hitmarks,N1,23,23,23,no hitlag,stuff with hitlag:
- Frames it takes to go from "Start of Animation of the action/Hitlag end of previous hit for multihits" to "Hitlag start" (1 frame after the char is frozen)
stuff without hitlag:
- Frames it takes to go from "Sta...
Trial 1,Trial 2,Trial 3
Hitmarks,N1,23,23,23,no hitlag,stuff with hitlag:
- Frames it takes to go from "Start of Animation of the action/Hitlag end of previous hit for multihits" to "Hitlag start" (1 frame after the char is frozen)
stuff without hitlag:
- Frames it takes to go from "Sta...
96Your JuneSun, November 6, 2022 at 12:29 AM
Finding: Upon using Nahida's Elemental Skill, Dendro damage happens before marking them with Seed of Skandha
Evidence: https://youtu.be/_AiKMZxQ3YU
Significance: Creating a quicken reaction using her skill against unmarked opponents won't proc her C2 Def Shred
Note: This is done using a C2 Nahida, Evidence at the end of the video
Evidence: https://youtu.be/_AiKMZxQ3YU
Significance: Creating a quicken reaction using her skill against unmarked opponents won't proc her C2 Def Shred
Note: This is done using a C2 Nahida, Evidence at the end of the video
siowySun, November 6, 2022 at 06:28 AM
Finding: E can wake up enemies from a distance that you normally can only wake up by walking near them. E can also mark 'inactive' enemies like ruin guards who haven't woken up.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/uOOt63sWnPg
Significance: Convenience and speed when farming enemies.
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/uOOt63sWnPg
Significance: Convenience and speed when farming enemies.
1Finding: Using E twice on two separate groups of enemies still links all of them together into one group for TKP. It does not create two separately linked groups of enemies.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/oko5GAvfH_8
Significance: Nice to know in content where a second wave of enemies has spawned before the first wave is completely dead, because the first wave's remaining enemies will still be linked without capturing them in the camera. Or when you skill issue and fail to capture all the enemies in one cast.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/oko5GAvfH_8
Significance: Nice to know in content where a second wave of enemies has spawned before the first wave is completely dead, because the first wave's remaining enemies will still be linked without capturing them in the camera. Or when you skill issue and fail to capture all the enemies in one cast.
Your JuneSun, November 6, 2022 at 01:15 PM
Finding: Despite dealing Dendro damage before applying Seed of Skandha, Raiden's Coordinated attacks hit after the seed is marked
Evidence: https://youtu.be/r4w8mQOdi6A (Tap E), https://youtu.be/IZ25tlgR6H8 (Hold E)
Significance: Using Nahida E with a Coordinated Attack ready triggers TKP immediately right after, You can proc C2 Def Shred if you have a Coordinated Attack ready via Nahida's E
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/r4w8mQOdi6A (Tap E), https://youtu.be/IZ25tlgR6H8 (Hold E)
Significance: Using Nahida E with a Coordinated Attack ready triggers TKP immediately right after, You can proc C2 Def Shred if you have a Coordinated Attack ready via Nahida's E
3daibangdenSun, November 6, 2022 at 02:21 PM
Finding: Nahida can mark opponents through terrain but cannot collect harvestable items if she cannot see them
Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/HuWnwYP
Significance: Nahida wants war, not peace
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Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/HuWnwYP
Significance: Nahida wants war, not peace
166siowySun, November 6, 2022 at 09:51 PM
notably, holding E completely dodges raiden puppet's rings on the ground attack. i'll try to get evidence soon
evidence: https://youtu.be/oEz2d7MLMCw
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evidence: https://youtu.be/oEz2d7MLMCw
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freenekMon, November 7, 2022 at 03:27 AM
I want to note on this:
There is an exception to the rule, which is teapot collectibles, can record evidence if required
Target must have sparkle effect indicating collectabilityThere is an exception to the rule, which is teapot collectibles, can record evidence if required
f99shiMon, November 7, 2022 at 05:58 AM
ores and raw meat have sparkle effect too
SeraphMon, November 7, 2022 at 08:20 AM
mhm, thats why i also mentioned the need for lack of "processing"
meat is normally from killing animals, and ores must be mined, these are processes to obtain the drops
meat is normally from killing animals, and ores must be mined, these are processes to obtain the drops
sakura blooms sparkle once electrified, but cant be collected because they were processed
f99shiMon, November 7, 2022 at 09:57 AM
does killing a shroomboar count as processing?
nzpiefaceMon, November 7, 2022 at 11:07 AM
please dont discuss here @f99shi @Seraph @freenek
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whale roleTue, November 8, 2022 at 04:30 AM
nahida can pick up shroomboar mushrooms but I didn't record evidence
🐟Tue, November 8, 2022 at 01:33 PM
Finding: Nahida skill can pick up shroomboar mushrooms
Evidence: https://youtu.be/u-2UD8ppPSo
Evidence: https://youtu.be/u-2UD8ppPSo
freenekTue, November 8, 2022 at 06:44 PM
Finding: Nahida's elemental skill hold can mark enemies with Seed of Skandha directly behind her, this is also affected by camera position
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igI_UGdIgU & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej7WzQQ-6co
Significance: Better understanding on how Nahida's E work, potential min max technique for speedrunning, as no need to rotate camera at least by 180 degrees (especially relevant for controller users, as their rotation speed is very limited).
Hold E most likely starts checking for collision detection from the camera position, starting from the first frame the skill starts, basically when camera is still positioned behind Nahida.
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Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igI_UGdIgU & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej7WzQQ-6co
Significance: Better understanding on how Nahida's E work, potential min max technique for speedrunning, as no need to rotate camera at least by 180 degrees (especially relevant for controller users, as their rotation speed is very limited).
Hold E most likely starts checking for collision detection from the camera position, starting from the first frame the skill starts, basically when camera is still positioned behind Nahida.
Seed of Skandha back marking
For Keqing Mains.
Finding: Nahida's hold E can mark enemies with Seed of Skandha directly behind her
Significance: Better understanding on how Nahida's E work, potential min max technique for speedrunning, as no need to rotate camera at least by 180 degrees (especially relevant for controller users, as their rotation speed is very limited).
Finding: Nahida's hold E can mark enemies with Seed of Skandha directly behind her
Significance: Better understanding on how Nahida's E work, potential min max technique for speedrunning, as no need to rotate camera at least by 180 degrees (especially relevant for controller users, as their rotation speed is very limited).
Seed of Skandha back marking 2
For Keqing Mains.
Finding: [...], this is also affected by camera position
Hold E most likely starts raytracing for collision detection from the first frame the skill starts, basically when camera is still positioned behind Nahida.
Finding: [...], this is also affected by camera position
Hold E most likely starts raytracing for collision detection from the first frame the skill starts, basically when camera is still positioned behind Nahida.
7siowyWed, November 9, 2022 at 04:13 AM
updated evidence
Finding: Hold E marks inactive enemies that can't normally be damaged yet, but tap E does not.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/52FVn57rpe4
Significance: Useful to know for abyss fights (maguu kenki) and overworld.5
Evidence: https://youtu.be/52FVn57rpe4
Significance: Useful to know for abyss fights (maguu kenki) and overworld.
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omglolzWed, November 9, 2022 at 10:53 AM
Finding: Nahida's A1 EM buff not gained from Key of Khaj-Nisut's Passive
Evidence:
Basically same interaction as this https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/1024514707526258850/1031525296840642620
Key User
https://youtu.be/4Xx7wl03jxA
Highest Base EM: 580
Key's Passive: 137 (24,469 x [3 x 0.12 + 0.2]/100)
EM after Key's passive: 718*
Expected Final EM: 897 (1.25 x 700)
Ingame Final EM: 863* (1.25 x 580 + 137)
*Rounding Error causing +1 EM ingame
Non-Key User
https://youtu.be/JUVcfvRSH8Y
Highest Base EM: 650
Key's Passive: 50 (25,271 x 0.2/100)
EM after Key's passive: 700
Expected Final EM: 875 (1.25 x 700)
Ingame Final EM: 863 (1.25 x 650 + 50)
Significance:
-Key of Khaj-Nisut's Passive does not lower the EM threshold needed to max out Nahida's A1 EM Buff.
-Calculator should ignore EM gained from Key's Passive for Nahida's A1 EM buff.
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Evidence:
Basically same interaction as this https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/1024514707526258850/1031525296840642620
Key User
https://youtu.be/4Xx7wl03jxA
Highest Base EM: 580
Key's Passive: 137 (24,469 x [3 x 0.12 + 0.2]/100)
EM after Key's passive: 718*
Expected Final EM: 897 (1.25 x 700)
Ingame Final EM: 863* (1.25 x 580 + 137)
*Rounding Error causing +1 EM ingame
Non-Key User
https://youtu.be/JUVcfvRSH8Y
Highest Base EM: 650
Key's Passive: 50 (25,271 x 0.2/100)
EM after Key's passive: 700
Expected Final EM: 875 (1.25 x 700)
Ingame Final EM: 863 (1.25 x 650 + 50)
Significance:
-Key of Khaj-Nisut's Passive does not lower the EM threshold needed to max out Nahida's A1 EM Buff.
-Calculator should ignore EM gained from Key's Passive for Nahida's A1 EM buff.
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BentoWed, November 9, 2022 at 06:53 PM
doesnt work on crystal marrow despite it not needing processing and having sparkle
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5SeraphThu, November 10, 2022 at 08:04 AM
ah whoops, oh well ig rules have exceptions
prolly cos its "inorganic?" cos its sort of an ore but at the same time bone marrow?
prolly cos its "inorganic?" cos its sort of an ore but at the same time bone marrow?
daibangdenThu, November 10, 2022 at 08:18 AM
the "requirement" just feels unecessary when we can just list all the things she can collect instead, which is already on the fandom wiki
omglolzFri, November 11, 2022 at 08:52 PM
Finding: Nahida's elemental skill hold can mark stuffs normally unreachable by camera vertical limit, if the initial camera is positioned ahead of hold E
Evidence: https://youtu.be/hmLUvw5HrY4 https://youtu.be/32rR8UYBXtc
Significance: Better understanding on how Nahida's E work
Evidence: https://youtu.be/hmLUvw5HrY4 https://youtu.be/32rR8UYBXtc
Significance: Better understanding on how Nahida's E work
trosalioSat, November 12, 2022 at 07:21 PM
Finding:
Nahida can only collect up to 5 items even on Tap E version
Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmHH-kIBRM
Significance:
Can't have QoL in Teyvat.4
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Nahida can only collect up to 5 items even on Tap E version
Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmHH-kIBRM
Significance:
Can't have QoL in Teyvat.
Even Nahida Tap E can only collect at most 5 items at a time.
Bird Egg went down from 8 items to 3 items.
41nzpiefaceSun, November 20, 2022 at 07:12 AM
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I'll swap her in/out of party later to find what note is the start.
nzpiefaceSun, November 20, 2022 at 07:26 AM
Starts at the 8th note here. Where the line is
ivx8928Mon, November 21, 2022 at 05:12 PM
Finding: Nahida’s C6 procs 6 times total per enemy, so up to 48 procs of TKP: KO are theoretically possible.
Method: C6 EQ with no reactions results in exactly 6 procs of KO per enemy. No standard TKP is triggered due to no reactions. Confirmed by casting the same thing on C2 Nahida as well and seeing no TKP of TKP:KO, only NA damage.
Evidence C6: https://streamable.com/kjnfov
Evidence C2: https://streamable.com/05nvbg
Significance: it takes time to throw them out which impacts rotations/buffs etc.
Method: C6 EQ with no reactions results in exactly 6 procs of KO per enemy. No standard TKP is triggered due to no reactions. Confirmed by casting the same thing on C2 Nahida as well and seeing no TKP of TKP:KO, only NA damage.
Evidence C6: https://streamable.com/kjnfov
Evidence C2: https://streamable.com/05nvbg
Significance: it takes time to throw them out which impacts rotations/buffs etc.
nzpiefaceSat, November 26, 2022 at 12:23 AM
Finding: Nahida C2 does not apply to triggering hit.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/y2ZtCJ-3QeE
Significance: TKP probably applies the DEF shred, rather than it being tied to the enemy's state of auras.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/y2ZtCJ-3QeE
Significance: TKP probably applies the DEF shred, rather than it being tied to the enemy's state of auras.
Finding: Nahida C2 probably triggers under the condition of "a Catalyse [reaction is triggered on]/[aura is applied to] an enemy marked with a Seed of Skandha".
Evidence: Frame counts in description https://youtu.be/2bvoI3OFsDY
Note: 1169 is Nahida C2 def shred + aggregate + no crit from Raiden E. The damage without def shred is around high 900s.
Evidence: Frame counts in description https://youtu.be/2bvoI3OFsDY
Note: 1169 is Nahida C2 def shred + aggregate + no crit from Raiden E. The damage without def shred is around high 900s.
nahida c2 triggers on catalyse reactions on enemies marked with see...
time (s), frame (f), event
6.256, 375, quicken
6.517, 391, tkp + raiden e
8.019, 481, quicken
15.151, 909, hitmark
15.467, 928, quicken
15.674, 941, tkp + raiden e
6.256, 375, quicken
6.517, 391, tkp + raiden e
8.019, 481, quicken
15.151, 909, hitmark
15.467, 928, quicken
15.674, 941, tkp + raiden e
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