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nilou-basic-mechanics
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TiBotFri, October 14, 2022 at 10:01 AM
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TibotFri, October 14, 2022 at 10:01 AM
Nilou Basic Mechanics ticket
Put all mechanics findings for Nilou here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
Nilou Character Page: https://library.keqingmains.com/characters/hydro/nilou
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What needs to be tested?
- ICD of her different E stances and Burst (partial: https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/1030419980577153094/1030523598391222362)
- Gauges applied by her different E stances and burst
- Particles generated by her E
-Is it possible to get both her stances up at same time with Sacrificial Sword: https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/1030419980577153094/1030474638930743416
- Burst hit interval
- Size of her abilities’ AoE
- How long do Bountiful Cores take to explode from creation
- Range comparison on Bountiful Bloom vs normal Bloom
Put all mechanics findings for Nilou here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
Nilou Character Page: https://library.keqingmains.com/characters/hydro/nilou
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What needs to be tested?
- ICD of her different E stances and Burst (partial: https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/1030419980577153094/1030523598391222362)
- Gauges applied by her different E stances and burst
- Particles generated by her E
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- Burst hit interval
- Size of her abilities’ AoE
- How long do Bountiful Cores take to explode from creation
- Range comparison on Bountiful Bloom vs normal Bloom
rarepossumFri, October 14, 2022 at 10:34 AM
Also test if Bountiful Blooms work with the barbara thing
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nzpiefaceFri, October 14, 2022 at 11:30 AM
im testing if that actually cancels tho so whatever if it doesnt it doesnt
Finding: You can cancel normals with E to build her stack thing faster.
im testing if that actually cancels tho so whatever if it doesnt it doesntit feels like E (start) n1 e n1 is the fastest combo to get the enhanced normals but 
its 12.30am someone else can record and stuff
its 12.30am someone else can record and stuffit feels that the fastest for e finish is E E n1 E or E n1 n1 E
someone else can record all the combos and like measure the frames 
SeraphFri, October 14, 2022 at 12:24 PM
ok so for particle gen, i have some rudimentary stuff
cant record cos laptop kinda ass, tested on 9-1-1 abyss
cant record cos laptop kinda ass, tested on 9-1-1 abyss
nilou's skill has 4 strikes, 1 to initial cast, 2 intermediate, then the decisive final step
each of those strikes seems to generate 1 particle of hydro
wave slashes as a result of ending on na dont seem to drop any particles, but the final step triggered by na is counted in the above generating strikes
f99shiFri, October 14, 2022 at 12:27 PM
initial cast should be 1.5, the rest are 1
just need video evidence
SeraphFri, October 14, 2022 at 12:34 PM
mmm yeah ok, i beat up a random hilichurl and got 2 particles on initial cast
Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademyFri, October 14, 2022 at 01:02 PM
Finding: Nilou's Burst first hit is practically dynamic, the last his snapshots at the first hit.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/6biX2sOt1aY
Evidence: https://youtu.be/6biX2sOt1aY
Nilou Burst snapshots but late
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maestoso292Fri, October 14, 2022 at 01:38 PM
Finding:
- Nilou can enter both stances at the same time using Sacrificial Sword
- Initial Skill hit, Whirling Steps, Sword Dance, and Sword Dance hits outside Pirouette state can all proc Sacrificial Sword's passive
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/sSvvg-SaEz0
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- Nilou can enter both stances at the same time using Sacrificial Sword
- Initial Skill hit, Whirling Steps, Sword Dance, and Sword Dance hits outside Pirouette state can all proc Sacrificial Sword's passive
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/sSvvg-SaEz0
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trosalioFri, October 14, 2022 at 04:52 PM
Finding:
Nilou's Tranquility Aura applies Wet roughly every 2 seconds
(Varies between 119 - 120 Frames)
Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzMtLDZI4OM
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Nilou's Tranquility Aura applies Wet roughly every 2 seconds
(Varies between 119 - 120 Frames)
Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzMtLDZI4OM
Nilou's Tranquility Aura's ICD - 2s
Nilou's Tranquility Aura applies Wet to opponents roughly every 2 seconds
8f99shiFri, October 14, 2022 at 11:21 PM
ticks every 0.5s, has 1.9s/4 hits icd. so if you do the last E again and reset the water ring after 1.5s it should be able to apply hydro before 2 seconds cuz its the 5th hit
dont have nilou so hoping sm1 can test this^
mgr_Sat, October 15, 2022 at 07:32 AM
Canceling NA makes she "lose" stack
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1nzpiefaceSat, October 15, 2022 at 07:35 AM
yeah, you need to time it to cancel out the end of the animation
SeraphSat, October 15, 2022 at 12:40 PM
apologies again for not having video evidence, but
it appears that the wave attack created from E-X-X-N combo does not deal any poise damage, or if so too little to matter
i was hitting iron ore w nilou when i wondered how the wave would do, but the entire thing, including the slash that creates the wave, had no apparent effect on the ore's durability
it appears that the wave attack created from E-X-X-N combo does not deal any poise damage, or if so too little to matter
i was hitting iron ore w nilou when i wondered how the wave would do, but the entire thing, including the slash that creates the wave, had no apparent effect on the ore's durability
since its a 3 hit combo, the first 2 hits do deal poise, so does the initial cast of E
just the attack with the wave that does nothing
just the attack with the wave that does nothing
f99shiSat, October 15, 2022 at 12:50 PM
thats wrong. the n3 doesnt damage ores because its considered a ranged attack
only melee/blunt can damage geo shields
it actually deals 90.31 poise damage which is quite high
SeraphSat, October 15, 2022 at 12:51 PM
ah is it? even the slash itself, not counting the wave? huh
f99shiSat, October 15, 2022 at 12:52 PM
there is no slash, theres just the wave, which is a ranged attack
SeraphSat, October 15, 2022 at 12:53 PM
thank you for clarifying tho
drak__Sun, October 16, 2022 at 05:37 AM
no
no footage which is sendable here
but nope
also her skill e attacks are seperate icd from the ring
trosalioMon, October 17, 2022 at 10:07 AM
Finding:
While under the Pirouette or Lunar Prayer effects, Nilou's Normal Attack combo will not be reset.
Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXktMCQSYG42
While under the Pirouette or Lunar Prayer effects, Nilou's Normal Attack combo will not be reset.
Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXktMCQSYG4
While under the Pirouette or Lunar Prayer effects, Nilou's Normal A...
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Dance_of_Haftkarsvar
This interaction is not documented into the game, so I upload this as a reference video to that statement.
This interaction is not documented into the game, so I upload this as a reference video to that statement.
2Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademyMon, October 17, 2022 at 07:58 PM
Finding: similarly to Raiden, Nilou's normal attacks during her elemental skill do not trigger effects such as Beidou's burst but do trigger effects such as XQ's burst.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/3w3XzKXqRPM
Significance: this is a known mechanic, but just in case you need a video evidence to show people who argue with you.
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/3w3XzKXqRPM
Significance: this is a known mechanic, but just in case you need a video evidence to show people who argue with you.
Nilou doesn't work with Beidou, does work with XQ
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dianoiaTue, October 18, 2022 at 09:36 AM
Finding: Nilou's E cooldown starts on initial cast, but the infusion duration does not start until the 3rd slash
Evidence: https://youtu.be/1wWaDfDkano
Significance: Smoother vape Nilou rotations
1. Q can be used before the 3rd slash so that it does not eat into E infusion uptime
2. Since the first 3 hits (E n2) are technically not part of her infusion duration, Key can be fully stacked by slowing down the opening n2 to account for Key's 0.3s stack CD, allowing for maximum Q vape damage
3. Using the
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Evidence: https://youtu.be/1wWaDfDkano
Significance: Smoother vape Nilou rotations
1. Q can be used before the 3rd slash so that it does not eat into E infusion uptime
2. Since the first 3 hits (E n2) are technically not part of her infusion duration, Key can be fully stacked by slowing down the opening n2 to account for Key's 0.3s stack CD, allowing for maximum Q vape damage
3. Using the
E n2 Q n1 combo, Nilou's c4 buffs the 2nd Q hit without taking away from infusion uptime1Finding: Nilou's c4 buffs the 2nd Q tick with the combo
Evidence: https://youtu.be/GHqLiVlxDbY
Significance: Vape Nilou opening combo
E n2 Q n1Evidence: https://youtu.be/GHqLiVlxDbY
Significance: Vape Nilou opening combo
Finding: E n2 Q n1 allows particle pre-funneling
Evidence: https://youtu.be/LUo5HcADJVw
Significance: Opening rotation particle efficiency, allows c4 energy refund to be used on the opening rotation
Evidence: https://youtu.be/LUo5HcADJVw
Significance: Opening rotation particle efficiency, allows c4 energy refund to be used on the opening rotation
Finding: Nilou's n3 can be dash cancelled very early. Well-timed dash cancels does not cause her to lose infusion slashes, thus making her an extremely mobile on-fielder
Evidence: https://youtu.be/sScJ3K44T6s
Significance: On-field driver potential, QoL vs. mobile enemies4
Evidence: https://youtu.be/sScJ3K44T6s
Significance: On-field driver potential, QoL vs. mobile enemies
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KiboFri, October 21, 2022 at 09:37 AM
Finding: Confirmation to Nilou's A4 being additive to the Bloom Reaction Bonus from EM.
Evidence: The following pictures of reaction damage calcs assuming Trial Nilou with R1 Sig and lvl 80 Collei Trigger at 543 EM
Significance: Nilou's A4 is a decent boost rather than a very powerful one.
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Evidence: The following pictures of reaction damage calcs assuming Trial Nilou with R1 Sig and lvl 80 Collei Trigger at 543 EM
Significance: Nilou's A4 is a decent boost rather than a very powerful one.
2Approximation may have altered the ingame damage results, but are very close to the calced results
SeraphSun, October 23, 2022 at 10:01 AM
Casdela pls dont kill me now
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kaleSun, October 23, 2022 at 10:24 AM
So, it technically does damages, but it doesn't count as elemental skill damages that is why it can't proc deepwood 4pc effect?
daibangdenSun, October 23, 2022 at 10:26 AM
probably
SeraphSun, October 23, 2022 at 10:53 AM
Finding: Nilou Tranquility Aura counts as a 0-dmg hit
Evidence: Nilou hydro ring bops the mushrooms in Hammer of the Mushrooms daily commission https://youtu.be/w18kzxLmQ-A
Significance: May trigger certain on-hit effects
Evidence: Nilou hydro ring bops the mushrooms in Hammer of the Mushrooms daily commission https://youtu.be/w18kzxLmQ-A
Significance: May trigger certain on-hit effects
Nilou 0 DMG Hit
For KQM TC purposes
Nilou's Tranquility Aura applied by her skill counts as a 0-damage hit
As seen in the video, it bops the mushroom even though it deals no damage to enemies
It may thus trigger certain on-hit effects despite not dealing damage
Nilou's Tranquility Aura applied by her skill counts as a 0-damage hit
As seen in the video, it bops the mushroom even though it deals no damage to enemies
It may thus trigger certain on-hit effects despite not dealing damage
Finding: Nilou Luminous Illusion (Sword Dance 3rd Hit) is considered a ranged attack
Evidence: Luminous Illusion deals regular damage and poise damage to hilichurls, since they visibly become staggered, but it has no effect on ores and presumably Geo shields (not sure abt this, expert pls confirm if they function the same) https://youtu.be/5NJMVINdq04
Significance: Nilou is not effective as a miner nor a Geo shield breaker, certain effects that rely on ranged attacks may function with the slash
Evidence: Luminous Illusion deals regular damage and poise damage to hilichurls, since they visibly become staggered, but it has no effect on ores and presumably Geo shields (not sure abt this, expert pls confirm if they function the same) https://youtu.be/5NJMVINdq04
Significance: Nilou is not effective as a miner nor a Geo shield breaker, certain effects that rely on ranged attacks may function with the slash
Nilou Luminous Illusion Ranged Hit
For KQM TC purposes
Nilou's Luminous Illusion, the third hit of her Sword Dance combo when under the effect of Lunar Prayer, counts as a ranged attack
The slash is seen to deal poise damage to enemies, since the hilichurls were staggered by the wave, but it deals no damage to mineable ores and presumably Geo shields
Nilou's Luminous Illusion, the third hit of her Sword Dance combo when under the effect of Lunar Prayer, counts as a ranged attack
The slash is seen to deal poise damage to enemies, since the hilichurls were staggered by the wave, but it deals no damage to mineable ores and presumably Geo shields
Finding: Nilou generates particles on all 4 hits of her skill combo, initiating skill may give 1-2, rest give 1, for a total of 4-5 particles per skill
Additionally, Sword Dance attacks from ending the skill combo with NA do not generate particles, neither does Tranquility Aura making enemies
Evidence: https://youtu.be/LMMrcmpUBg8
Significance: Can calculate ER reqs for Nilou and Hydro teammates more effectively, among others
Additionally, Sword Dance attacks from ending the skill combo with NA do not generate particles, neither does Tranquility Aura making enemies
Evidence: https://youtu.be/LMMrcmpUBg8
Significance: Can calculate ER reqs for Nilou and Hydro teammates more effectively, among others
Nilou Particle Generation
For KQM TC purposes
Nilou's Elemental Skill is composed of a 4-strike pattern: E to initiate the combo, then either E or NA twice, and finally an E or NA which will determine whether she generates a Tranquility Aura or enters Sword Dance stance respectively
The first hit which initiates her skill may generate 1 or 2 particles, most likely a 50...
Nilou's Elemental Skill is composed of a 4-strike pattern: E to initiate the combo, then either E or NA twice, and finally an E or NA which will determine whether she generates a Tranquility Aura or enters Sword Dance stance respectively
The first hit which initiates her skill may generate 1 or 2 particles, most likely a 50...
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there is no evidence for her gauge 
or do we just assume everyone knows it?
or do we just assume everyone knows it?
nzpiefaceThu, November 3, 2022 at 06:16 PM
give evidence 
daibangdenThu, November 3, 2022 at 06:53 PM
i do have some uploaded on imgur but idk if it's good enough
whatever they are all 25 durabilities 
effab1eSat, November 5, 2022 at 07:55 AM
just share it
it's useful to have in vault
Not Logic (really)Sun, November 6, 2022 at 03:33 PM
Finding:
Nilou gauges are:
E
- initial cast: 1A
- pirouette hits: 1A
- sword dance: 1A
Q
- first hit: 1A
- second hit: 1A
Evidence:
[YT Playlist](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZDMBrQKYmFr82IoLYiAa7ep2L3A3nK23)
E initial - https://youtu.be/ZR15KAix-kg
hydro aura lasted from frames 293 to 580; 287 frames @ 30fps = 9.57 seconds, consistent with 1A decay
E pirouette - https://youtu.be/XBOk6cE5B5A
hydro aura lasted from frames 220 to 504; 284 frames @ 30fps = 9.47 seconds, consistent with 1A decay
E sword dance - https://youtu.be/se3VJP0jVG8
hydro aura lasted from frames 240 to 526; 286 frames @ 30fps = 9.53 seconds, consistent with 1A decay
Q 1st hit - https://youtu.be/kAlX3Lz5lYY
Collei E is a known source of 1A dendro; bloom with hydro trigger consumes 0.5x aura, and there was dendro gauge left after first hit, so Q 1st hit is 1U hydro
Q 2nd hit - https://youtu.be/5T03ECdN2fc
hydro aura lasted from frames 264 to 554; 290 frames @ 30fps = 9.67 seconds, consistent with 1A decay (slight extension is probably from hitlag
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Nilou gauges are:
E
- initial cast: 1A
- pirouette hits: 1A
- sword dance: 1A
Q
- first hit: 1A
- second hit: 1A
Evidence:
[YT Playlist](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZDMBrQKYmFr82IoLYiAa7ep2L3A3nK23)
E initial - https://youtu.be/ZR15KAix-kg
hydro aura lasted from frames 293 to 580; 287 frames @ 30fps = 9.57 seconds, consistent with 1A decay
E pirouette - https://youtu.be/XBOk6cE5B5A
hydro aura lasted from frames 220 to 504; 284 frames @ 30fps = 9.47 seconds, consistent with 1A decay
E sword dance - https://youtu.be/se3VJP0jVG8
hydro aura lasted from frames 240 to 526; 286 frames @ 30fps = 9.53 seconds, consistent with 1A decay
Q 1st hit - https://youtu.be/kAlX3Lz5lYY
Collei E is a known source of 1A dendro; bloom with hydro trigger consumes 0.5x aura, and there was dendro gauge left after first hit, so Q 1st hit is 1U hydro
Q 2nd hit - https://youtu.be/5T03ECdN2fc
hydro aura lasted from frames 264 to 554; 290 frames @ 30fps = 9.67 seconds, consistent with 1A decay (slight extension is probably from hitlag
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