overworlds-constructs-reaction-to-different-elemental-application-sources

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TiBotSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:20 PM

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Theory/Finding/Bug: Title of your submission

Evidence: Explanations with calculations and/or YouTube/Imgur proofs

Significance: Conclusion

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:26 PM

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:27 PM

I am uploading

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:27 PM

ah cool

what things did you test on btw

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:27 PM

active Ruin brazers and puzzle pieces in inazuma

the beginning part is inert but the ending part isn't

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:28 PM

huh

i didnt know those even had auras on them

cool

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:32 PM

huh it's inert to swirl but not to overload

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:33 PM

what are you testing to swirl?

sucrose n1 n2 and n3 needs to target smth, while her n4 ca e and q are aoe and dont need targets

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:33 PM

puzzle piece the connect line things in inzauma

i used sucrose e and amc

hold e

probably done uploading in 2 mins

https://youtu.be/qQSNwU2TQHQ so this is the non inert piece for control reasons

Non inert puzzle piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0cXmT3Lu6E

Inert to anemo but not to pyro (Overload also takes the aura off co...

It's also inert to everything but pyro which takes the aura off completely

Reply to

isetfire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0cXmT3Lu6E

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:51 PM

It might also only react to pyro from grass and not from players

TiBotSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:53 PM

This ticket has been renamed to Some Element Auras on Overworld Entities are Inert to players by @isetfire

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:55 PM

have you tried super conducting it all

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:55 PM

ok so it reacts

with grass only

burning grass

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:55 PM

applying cryo usually works to everything

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:55 PM

not pyro from bennett

hmm

I tried kaeya E ayaka E and D N

didnt react

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:56 PM

cool

Reply to

nzpieface: applying cryo usually works to everything

anju06Sun, July 3, 2022 at 12:56 PM

this is already in the thing you can apply cryo to sheet

nzpiefaceSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:57 PM

i mean yeah

i was just wondering if it worked or not and apparently it doesnt

anju06Sun, July 3, 2022 at 12:57 PM

also in my Klee A1 trigger sheet

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 12:58 PM

like for pyro i tried to pyro directly on it it didnt react

only when it touched the burning grass

So I took a look at the cryo spreadsheet the electro from this object can be removedso I tested it again without electro and you still can't apply cryo

I'm going to try it on some more things that has existing auras

anju06Sun, July 3, 2022 at 01:28 PM

try messing with clock and wait till it rains

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 01:40 PM

you're right rain is a natural source of hydro

https://youtu.be/brWympS074U for control reasons

EC on non inert (control)

Ok so on the cryo sheet

it said elemental monuments cant be affected by cryo

but it can be affected by hydro from the rain

https://youtu.be/uFjYNvuINaE

Monuments can be affected by hydro from rain and reacted by player

Reply to

isetfire: https://youtu.be/uFjYNvuINaE

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 02:15 PM

Referencing "Stuff Can Infuse Cryo Entry" *

I'm gonna make a spreadsheet with prompt "Inert to player" Yes/No

and also gonna add "Inert to entity" Yes/No if you can get some thing like burning grass to react to it.

anju06Sun, July 3, 2022 at 02:59 PM

rain also helps things hold Electro aura (which they normally can't) as part of EC aura

just fyi

isetfireSun, July 3, 2022 at 03:02 PM

I need wait for it to rain again

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bSrm9ntJcSkO3FB6Qth2z_txqjpYrBZjaOTQdS_zKQQ/edit?usp=sharing Link for further editing

Some Element Auras on Overworld Entities are Inert to players

Sheet1

Objects,Existing Aura,Can new Aura be applied? ,Inert to players?,Inert to other sources?,Removable?,Source,Notes
Elemental Monuement,None,By Environment,No,N/A,Automatically,Evidence1
Cumulation Stone,Electro,No*,Yes,No,Reaction from Other sources

Inazuma seems to not want to rain today

https://youtu.be/jzAWFovzJCc Some more evidence

Reacts To Environment

I dunno if I can spin this clock anymore

I can't anymore I need to sleep wait for tmr for more evidence If anyone has more evidence contact me or feel free to put in spread sheat thank you very much

It finally rained after 15 IRL hours in inazuma

https://youtu.be/PR-WontkIHg

De auraed cumulation stone not reacting to environment

actually it reacted to environment

i need to change title

to not gaining a new aura

https://youtu.be/_5ZQiRzLdf4

Monument Holding EC aura

More testing concludes that Every single construct/Entity can react to and/or hold certain elements from certain sources only

is_this_maddieMon, July 4, 2022 at 09:58 AM

sounds about right for this game

isetfireMon, July 4, 2022 at 10:18 AM

To prevent clogging the Spreadsheet I'll probably focus on the objective of "Entities that are inert to players only"

Like Discharge stones are somehow Inert to Hydro from rain but not pyro from burning grass

Same with Cumulation stones

But cumulation stone aura can be removed and Discharge stones cannot

https://youtu.be/sph-tcwrZcA for reference

Campfire holding EC

Campfires can hold Pyro and cryo from player sources but not hydro and electro

but hydro aura can be applied by environmental sources

which can help hold player based electro

I think I'll turn the spread sheet into a document actually because the entitles that have these properties are few and far between

and I can describe their properties more throughly

daibangdenMon, July 4, 2022 at 04:30 PM

common knowledge but not listed in tcl (i think) so feel free, hope you will test all objects, can take references from cryo infuse sheet and Klee A1 sheet

isetfireMon, July 4, 2022 at 04:57 PM

Yeah, currently writing in a docs because some are too detailed for sheets

Some constructs are also very very picky on which elemental they react with and from who/where

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rXI4LPKA91vh0v9-zuOio2q-VTftGT-CI2QoPWL-Rck/edit?usp=sharing Here's how it looks for now I'll probably add some tmr. will focus on the entities that can actually hold auras on them

Elementally Picky Constructs

Constructs can react to and/or hold certain elements from certain sources only. Written By Isetfire#0428 Introduction In the overworld, any object that shows up in your elemental sight is an entity. They can be living beings, enemies, plants or constructs. In this document I will focus on th...

nzpiefaceMon, July 4, 2022 at 07:00 PM

15h holy shit

isetfireTue, July 5, 2022 at 05:04 PM

Alright got almost all interactions that I can test hopefully I can apply it to every object

Evidence Recording session tmr

So through testing it seems that the game divides environmental elemental application in to many catagories, Burning Grass, Electro-Charged water and Still Water seem to all be in the same catagory. Rainfall isn't

Like Monuments in still water aren't affected by hydro but it does when it rains

Now,

how do I light grass on fire without lighting the campfire....

https://youtu.be/BzS87U0QnkM

Sakura bloons react to burning grass

Reply to

isetfire: So through testing it seems that the game divides environmental elemental application in to many catagories, Burning Grass, Electro-Charged water and Still Water seem to all be in the same catagory. Rainfall isn't

isetfireWed, July 6, 2022 at 10:51 AM

Ok this makes it a whole lot easier when i don't need to test all 3

Gotta rename the ticket because this went way deeper than I wanted

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isetfireWed, July 6, 2022 at 01:51 PM

Of course there be exceptions

Evidence recorded will probably will just state what constructs reacts to what and what it doesnt to simplify

is_this_maddieThu, July 7, 2022 at 06:35 AM

ah yes

overworld water isnt water

isetfireThu, July 7, 2022 at 11:37 AM

Found a way to light grass without lighting the campfire

Alright Docs halfway done

Some interesting development for today, You can remove Electro from Electro Crystals

blaahSun, July 10, 2022 at 11:27 AM

there was a ticket about this

isetfireSun, July 10, 2022 at 11:28 AM

Anyways I had to figure it out myself but still good

blaahSun, July 10, 2022 at 11:28 AM

https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/general-mechanics/overworld#parametric-crystal-electric-bungaloo

Overworld

isetfireSun, July 10, 2022 at 11:30 AM

Aight thanks I can use that as a reference and include it in the docs

I also forgot to rename the ticket

oops

TiBotSun, July 10, 2022 at 11:37 AM

This ticket has been renamed to Overworld's Constructs Reaction to Different Elemental Application Sources by @isetfire

isetfireMon, July 11, 2022 at 02:21 PM

I can't update anything.. It didn't rain a bit today

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaMon, July 11, 2022 at 02:53 PM

In case you didn't know, you can use the clock to wait a few hours in-game, repeat enough times and it'll bound to rain

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( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | Casdela: In case you didn't know, you can use the clock to wait a few hours in-game, repeat enough times and it'll bound to rain

isetfireMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:14 PM

I know.. I did it for 30 minutes straight

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:15 PM

isetfireMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:15 PM

Unless there is a place in mondstadt that cant rain (the place I was standing)

but I am not sure

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:16 PM

Only in the city is un-rain-able as far as I know

isetfireMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:17 PM

just bad RNG I guess well I guess there is no content tomorrow in game so I can just spin it when I am free

Ok now when I'm about to bed It rains ok game 💀

Alright All the evidence for half the Docs is recorded and to be put in

Putting the ticket on hold until the 17th busy atm

Got some evidence in the docs itself today, gonna continue tmr and finish the rest of the testing

Almost halfway done with the Sheet today

Halfway done with all the Non-Living Constructs / Entities that can be applied with an element on the docs

Prob doing chests and other puzzles today

Interesting Development today: Contrary to "Stuff Can Infuse Cryo" Chest's ability to hold auras do not come from their Type but, from how they are obtained instead.

A Chest that is already in the world and UNLOCKED by killing mobs (Aka red ring) cannot hold elements

A chest that is unlocked through puzzles (no red ring when locked) can

After Careful testing I can confirm there are 3 types of chests, not sorted by type but by how to obtain them

Chest types do not matter

The rest should be done in about 3 days then it will be ready for submission

About 5 more constructs left to test then I format the document and probably done by tomorrow.

is_this_maddieFri, July 29, 2022 at 06:39 PM

this is like the loneliest ticket

LimeFri, July 29, 2022 at 11:54 PM

isetfireSat, July 30, 2022 at 09:03 AM

This ticket was supposed to be a small ticket about how Cumulation Stones don't react to the player but react to burning grass. But then I start testing what other constructs react to what in the overworld and it became this

Findings: Every single entity and construct has different properties about elements that can (or can not) be applied and/or react to them but, I have found out that the source of the elemental application also matters.

Evidence: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rXI4LPKA91vh0v9-zuOio2q-VTftGT-CI2QoPWL-Rck/edit?usp=sharing

Significance: Finding out Entities and Constructs can choose which source of elemental application it reacts to or ignores on a case by case basis.

Environmentally Picky Constructs

Constructs can react to and/or hold certain elements from certain sources only. Written By Isetfire#0428 Findings Every single entity and construct has different properties about elements that can (or can not) be applied and/or react to them but, I have found out that the source of the elem...

TiBotSat, July 30, 2022 at 03:48 PM

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( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaSat, July 30, 2022 at 05:13 PM

Congrats on finishing the doc, just a few questions:
- Your doc doesn't mention Scarlet Quartz?
- Electro rock pile is aslo not mention, but GI wiki already mention it's elemental properties anyways
- There is a large rock pile submerged in over-world water and is directly under a water-fall in The Chasm (but I guess you already know this)
- Why isn't your table of contents sorted by alphabet order

*edit: doc has been updated by OP to address all the aforementioned points

TiBotSat, July 30, 2022 at 06:30 PM

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