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phantom-skill-procs

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TiBotMon, December 5, 2022 at 02:34 PM

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sir_kayMon, December 5, 2022 at 02:35 PM

Phantom Skill bug - Its possible to both use a skill and have the game not register a skill as being used, as well as having the game registering a skill being used that is not used

Evidence of skills not registering:
https://youtu.be/Cp_sA0XCxZo
https://youtu.be/hDrT0tDENiM

Evidence of skills not being used registering:
https://youtu.be/LTUl3jur-Qo
https://youtu.be/vMgdPRjs6N0

So during specific parts of a dash animation, some characters (namely qiqi and amber. There are others that should work like Babra that I haven't been able to get) can use their skill but not have the game register as a skill being used. I'm using 4 piece CW in this to track the game's registering of an elemental skill with the pyro damage bonus, but the same effect can be seen with Layla's shield.

A more interesting aspect of this phantom skill is actually being able to jump/ dash cancel out of the skills (basically pressing both at the same time) and you'll have the opposite effect. You'll gain a stack of CW so the game registers a skill being used despite it not actually going on CD.

The significance of this is up in the air. On one hand you can use the second part to stack 3 CW stacks or to abuse Layla's shield mechanics or anything that revolves around stacking skill uses. On the other hand things not registering has the significance of being something you need to actively play around to avoid. Its an interesting set of bugs with a limited reach of characters.

(qiqi and barbra's phantom skill proc unfortunately do not apply cryo/hydro. No infinite application abuse.)

Amber Missing Phantom

Qiqi Missing Phantom Skill

Amber Phantom Dash Cancel

Qiqi Phantom Skill

daibangdenMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:11 PM

so what's the difference from skill/burst cancel which we already knew?

sir_kayMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:13 PM

I double checked in a few places and it sounds like the second set of phantom skills was a known thing. The thing that so far no one I've talked to has an explanation for or has seen is the first set of things where a skill is used but the game doesn't register it as used (no CW stacks or layla's shield stack)

I included the known cancels for completionist sake because I think they probably go hand in hand in explaining what's going on

I'm mostly talking about the first 2 videos

its not a cancel so much as the game not registering something that happened

daibangdenMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:15 PM

good to know that

sir_kayMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:21 PM

I first assumed it might be ping related but I got other people with varying ping to test it and they were missing skills registering too

so far the only 2 I've been able to recreate it on is amber and qiqi but mostly because I haven't spent a lot of time testing on other characters, so the scope of the bug is currently unknown

it's also extremely inconsistent to get which makes testing difficult

nzpiefaceMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:26 PM

its cause you cancel it right, but due to dash input buffering the skill still happens

sir_kayMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:26 PM

in the first 2 videos I dashed and used my skill out of the dash

I wasn't canceling my skill with the dash

if I did it would look like the later clips and would also still gain stacks

nzpiefaceMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:30 PM

you press E then dash, is what i mean

sir_kayMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:31 PM

that is not what is happening in the first two clips. If you press E and dash you get this

https://youtu.be/5ZAnCa4nzEE

the first two clips are me dashing and then pressing E during my dash

nzpiefaceMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:31 PM

its hard to tell without input overlay

sir_kayMon, December 5, 2022 at 03:32 PM

yeah its kinda a pain

simply put; the first two clips aren't cancels of any kind. I just dash, use skill, and some times the skill doesn't register with the game as going off despite the skill clearly being used.

the second set of videos are what it looks like when you use skill and dash/jump cancel out of it which is a known thing and is different than what's going on in the first set of clips.
In the clips the canceled skills still are registered with the game as happening which is counter intuitive that the canceled skills are registering with the game but the actual skills being used out of dash aren't.

Without an input tracker it's really hard to tell what's going on so hopefully that helps clear it up