KQM | Genshin Impact
sara-burst-aoe-mechanics
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TiBotMon, May 13, 2024 at 02:43 PM
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xochiyohMon, May 13, 2024 at 02:59 PM
this is mainly about the crowfeather aoes from sara's burst and the fact that they can get varying amounts of hits on different enemies based on their hurtboxes
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this is what her aoes look like, red is the initial hit, followed by orange, then yellow, then green
(probably not exact, idk if they overlap exactly that way)
but that's the basic shape
i have a c1 sara so i can get a video for the pre-c4 hitboxes but i need someone else to record with c4+
What Was That?Mon, May 13, 2024 at 04:01 PM
is it difficult to record? I have a C6 sara
xochiyohMon, May 13, 2024 at 04:05 PM
shouldn't be
i think it just needs one to display what it looks like with no enemies and a few against enemies of different shapes and sizes
so like a hilichurl, ruin guard, and primo geovishap maybe
wenut could be an interesting case too
maybe cast her burst then move away a bit to make sure all the dmg numbers are in frame
jamberry since yall r confusedMon, May 13, 2024 at 05:46 PM
up to you
u can request a #theory-hunt
or acer can do it
or u can request a #theory-hunt and then acer can do it and then if it's annoying enough I can make him wet
up to youWhat Was That?Mon, May 13, 2024 at 06:05 PM
Please make me 
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpTue, May 14, 2024 at 06:02 AM
If acer doesn’t got you I got you
jamberry since yall r confusedTue, May 14, 2024 at 06:09 AM
"bed"
baloopy | :bites: #1 cote simpTue, May 14, 2024 at 06:15 AM
I xoulsnr sleep
brain wakey
makeway4pkWed, May 15, 2024 at 03:03 PM
what was the last successful theory hunt?
🐟Wed, May 15, 2024 at 03:10 PM
probably the character swap one
which speaking of which needs an update
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 15, 2024 at 03:21 PM
nah my pyronado one is done
🐟Wed, May 15, 2024 at 03:28 PM
Was that even a TH? But that wasn't the one I meant
The uh, effects when you remove a char from party thing
Hu TaoWed, May 15, 2024 at 03:29 PM
@TheoryHunter :keqgrab:
Pyronado Alt Swap Bennett Buff Snapshot
🐟Wed, May 15, 2024 at 03:29 PM
Ah 
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 15, 2024 at 03:29 PM
need to clean up the channel and get ppl to start using it again
for example
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 15, 2024 at 03:29 PM
do you want a theoryhunt
TibotWed, May 15, 2024 at 03:46 PM
Whenever a linked ticket gets verified it asks if it should mark the th as completed since sometimes they could be partial completion. Dunno if people have always been properly linking them and confirming the completion
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 15, 2024 at 03:48 PM
how would you tell what's marked as complete
and is there a way to manually change it w commands if it wasnt linked properly
🐟Wed, May 15, 2024 at 04:10 PM
You can do stuff manually
theoryhunt edit/edit2
theoryhunt close/reopen etc
theoryhunt close/reopen etc
TibotWed, May 15, 2024 at 04:13 PM
or right click on the TH in th channel under apps
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 15, 2024 at 07:32 PM
the what
what channel
hold on maybe explain this to me in #TC Scholars
xochiyohWed, May 15, 2024 at 10:48 PM
yea if no one's about to do it here
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 15, 2024 at 10:49 PM
can you write one up w all the info in #theory-hunt
xochiyohWed, May 15, 2024 at 10:49 PM
yea
C4+ Sara Burst AoE
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Difficulty:
- C (Recording)
Requirements:
- Own C4+ Sara
- Be able to record Genshin
Details:
- Record Sara's Burst in a few different scenarios: 1, in a flat area with no enemies. 2, against a stationary hilichurl (ranged hilichurls recommended). 3, against a stationary large boss like the Primo Geovishap or ASIMON.
- (Optional) Record Sara's Burst against a downed Wenut.
- When recording, move backwards after using her Burst to ensure a good view of any damage numbers and the Burst's behavior.
- Any other recordings of Sara's Burst are welcome as additional information, especially multiple trials against the aforementioned stationary enemies, trials against different enemies, and any recordings in which enemies are moving during her Burst.
Commissioner:
- @393193980361179137
===
Difficulty:
- C (Recording)
Requirements:
- Own C4+ Sara
- Be able to record Genshin
Details:
- Record Sara's Burst in a few different scenarios: 1, in a flat area with no enemies. 2, against a stationary hilichurl (ranged hilichurls recommended). 3, against a stationary large boss like the Primo Geovishap or ASIMON.
- (Optional) Record Sara's Burst against a downed Wenut.
- When recording, move backwards after using her Burst to ensure a good view of any damage numbers and the Burst's behavior.
- Any other recordings of Sara's Burst are welcome as additional information, especially multiple trials against the aforementioned stationary enemies, trials against different enemies, and any recordings in which enemies are moving during her Burst.
Commissioner:
- @393193980361179137
why did it format the bullet points like that 
i copied the template from the pin in #theory-hunt
well i'll edit it
staryy_Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:09 PM
i thought theoryhunts were for annoying shit
xochiyohWed, May 15, 2024 at 11:09 PM
i don't have c4+ sara so 
staryy_Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:09 PM
i had to do the whole of aranara quest for my wet role and then someone pulls up with this
xochiyohWed, May 15, 2024 at 11:09 PM
jamberry since yall r confusedThu, May 16, 2024 at 01:12 AM
if it's not annoying enough they don't get the role
staryy_Thu, May 16, 2024 at 01:13 AM
Is doing 4 Sara bursts annoying enough
xochiyohThu, May 16, 2024 at 01:22 AM
the minimum is 3 
xochiyohFri, May 17, 2024 at 12:14 AM
i think a staff member needs to post this in #theory-hunt for me?
idk why it's not just a command we can use ourselves
jamberry since yall r confusedFri, May 17, 2024 at 12:16 AM
yes sorry
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1I can't rn but I'll see if someone can
baaconhaawkFri, May 17, 2024 at 03:56 AM
are these fine? i was kinda struggling on thinking of a stationary target,,
baaconhaawkFri, May 17, 2024 at 03:57 AM
so the chart would look more like this^^
so far it looks like small enemies like hilichurls are guaranteed to be hit by 2 of her stormcluster hits ?
i can reupload w/ better quality or get better clips if you need
charliex3000Fri, May 17, 2024 at 04:18 AM
Only if they get CCd though
baaconhaawkFri, May 17, 2024 at 04:29 AM
true.. i'll have to see if i can get a clip w/o staggering
first clip doesn't get a stormcluster hit but does proc overload
xochiyohFri, May 17, 2024 at 01:30 PM
yes and thank you! 
xochiyohFri, May 17, 2024 at 01:30 PM
oh yea makes sense
and the stormclusters happen 6 different times
37 hits total
seems like they do overlap a good bit too
i think we're supposed to have videos on yt, would u mind if i upload them and credit u, or do u want to upload them?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-OmJuY3fi0EEs_uyxpON0tC2390_GHiAddeajmzQFIs/edit?usp=sharing
Sara Burst AoE Mechanics
C4+
1st video (Empty),basic observations
1st set hits,2nd set hits,3rd set hits,4th set hits,5th set hits,6th set hits,Total,Notes
2nd video (Hilichurls*),Trial 1,2,2,0,0,0,0,4,Initial hit knocked airborne and East (using directions relative to Sara's PoV). Obstacle behind target
*Not stationary...
1st video (Empty),basic observations
1st set hits,2nd set hits,3rd set hits,4th set hits,5th set hits,6th set hits,Total,Notes
2nd video (Hilichurls*),Trial 1,2,2,0,0,0,0,4,Initial hit knocked airborne and East (using directions relative to Sara's PoV). Obstacle behind target
*Not stationary...
baaconhaawkFri, May 17, 2024 at 11:04 PM
I can upload them ^^
xochiyohFri, May 17, 2024 at 11:04 PM
baaconhaawkFri, May 17, 2024 at 11:31 PM
xochiyohSat, May 18, 2024 at 07:55 PM
thanks 
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 22, 2024 at 07:11 AM
what do you still need for this?
xochiyohWed, May 22, 2024 at 01:04 PM
to record my own pre-c4 footage, i've already done the hilichurl part
jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 22, 2024 at 01:06 PM
got it
TiBotWed, May 29, 2024 at 01:15 PM
This channel hasn't been active in the past week!
This channel hasn't been active in the past week!jamberry since yall r confusedWed, May 29, 2024 at 01:15 PM
xochiyohWed, May 29, 2024 at 01:23 PM
i forgor
TiBotWed, June 5, 2024 at 01:30 PM This channel hasn't been active in the past week!
This channel hasn't been active in the past week!
xochiyohThu, June 6, 2024 at 12:14 AM
ok i shall finally do it rn
apparently it only creates 5 sets of coordinated attacks instead of 6 sometimes?
1st video has 5 sets, 2nd has 6 (normal)
well i guess i'm not uploading all the videos today
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wtf youtube
TiBotThu, June 13, 2024 at 02:30 AM This channel hasn't been active in the past week!
This channel hasn't been active in the past week!jamberry since yall r confusedThu, June 13, 2024 at 04:55 AM
what else does this ticket need
xochiyohThu, June 13, 2024 at 05:01 AM
well, hit counts for pre-c4 would complete the interpretation of the empirical evidence
but tbh i don't think it's necessary
i mainly just want to document how the aoes align
it's already obvious that c4 can result in more hits, just not obvious how often and to what extent, but 
heavily on enemy and stuff so it's somewhat meaningless for general purpose imo
heavily on enemy and stuff so it's somewhat meaningless for general purpose imour supposed to use imgur for images right?
Finding: Sara's Burst AoEs with and without C4
Evidence: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-OmJuY3fi0EEs_uyxpON0tC2390_GHiAddeajmzQFIs/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Significance: Sara's Burst AoEs with and without C4 look like this: https://imgur.com/a/zBGCtfz. The orientation of the Stormclusters (follow-up hits) is based on Sara's position when casting her Burst, and one row will always be aiming towards that position. After the Titanbreaker hit (initial hit), Stormclusters usually* spawn 6 different times, getting progressively further from the Titanbreaker's position. Without C4, Sara's Burst has a maximum of 25 distinct hits, increasing to 37 with C4. In practical use, the actual amount of times Sara's Stormclusters hit enemies can vary widely based on enemy sizes and shapes, as well as enemy movement and displacement to some extent.
*Once, the 6th instance of Stormclusters spawning was observed to not occur. Details and cause are unknown for now.
Evidence: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-OmJuY3fi0EEs_uyxpON0tC2390_GHiAddeajmzQFIs/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Significance: Sara's Burst AoEs with and without C4 look like this: https://imgur.com/a/zBGCtfz. The orientation of the Stormclusters (follow-up hits) is based on Sara's position when casting her Burst, and one row will always be aiming towards that position. After the Titanbreaker hit (initial hit), Stormclusters usually* spawn 6 different times, getting progressively further from the Titanbreaker's position. Without C4, Sara's Burst has a maximum of 25 distinct hits, increasing to 37 with C4. In practical use, the actual amount of times Sara's Stormclusters hit enemies can vary widely based on enemy sizes and shapes, as well as enemy movement and displacement to some extent.
*Once, the 6th instance of Stormclusters spawning was observed to not occur. Details and cause are unknown for now.
Sara Burst AoE Mechanics
Pre-C4
1st set hits,2nd set hits,3rd set hits,4th set hits,5th set hits,6th set hits,Total,Notes
Empty Area,Video 1,Trial 1,DNE? weird,basic observations. apparently the 6th set of attacks didn't happen this time?
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1st set hits,2nd set hits,3rd set hits,4th set hits,5th set hits,6th set hits,Total,Notes
Empty Area,Video 1,Trial 1,DNE? weird,basic observations. apparently the 6th set of attacks didn't happen this time?
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TiBotThu, June 13, 2024 at 06:15 AM
Ticket closed by @xochiyoh. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or
/open.jamberry since yall r confusedThu, June 13, 2024 at 06:17 AM
finally massive W
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1tomorrow jam thing unless others get to it first
nzpiefaceMon, June 17, 2024 at 01:16 PM
After the initial hit, crowfeathers spawn 6 different times (but sometimes only 5 times?)
what, wdym only 5 times
also
you forgot to fill this out lmao
jamberry since yall r confusedMon, June 17, 2024 at 01:30 PM
once again they can't talk in closed tickets
once again they can't talk in closed ticketsTiBotMon, June 17, 2024 at 01:30 PM
Ticket re-opened by @jamberry since yall r confused
xochiyohMon, June 17, 2024 at 05:27 PM
i decided it's not necessary for the point and i'm lazy
the videos are still there for evidence
xochiyohMon, June 17, 2024 at 05:28 PM
idk
it just didn't do the 6th in the first video
edited for more clarity
nzpiefaceTue, June 18, 2024 at 01:39 AM
i want to say its because you ran away or something but i have no fucking idea
xochiyohTue, June 18, 2024 at 01:40 AM
yeah like it could've despawned or something??
idk
jamberry since yall r confusedTue, June 18, 2024 at 05:26 AM
is there anything else you need to clarify
xochiyohTue, June 18, 2024 at 05:27 AM
nope
TiBotTue, June 18, 2024 at 05:27 AM
Ticket closed by @xochiyoh. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or
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haafrFri, July 5, 2024 at 05:10 PM
is it just me or pre c4 sheet is empty 
@xochiyoh
reply in tc chat
haafrFri, July 5, 2024 at 05:12 PM
oh nvm
I'd like to have the number of total burst hits (not that the enemy but all of them) somewhere?
since this info is currently not on tcl or wiki
TiBotSat, July 6, 2024 at 02:52 AM
Ticket re-opened by @xochiyoh
TiBotMon, July 8, 2024 at 10:13 PM
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