KQM | Genshin Impact
somewhat-360-no-scope
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TiBotThu, June 23, 2022 at 08:40 AM
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Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 08:40 AM
proof later
nzpiefaceThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:05 AM
@Rathalos | ask me abt traveler at least give an explanation of what this is
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:05 AM
it's rendering 
i will
nzpiefaceThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:05 AM
no what?
why does an explanation need to render
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:06 AM
I only feel motivated to type when there the video is ready
I'll start now
Finding:
It is possible for the aimed versions of certain abilities to spawn their respective objects in a different location from initially intended. This is done by rapidly panning/moving the camera after releasing it. It can vary depending on the execution, going so far as to appearing directly behind certain characters.
This mechanic applies to the following:
- Albedo's E, Solar Isotoma
- Arataki Itto's E, Masatsu Zetsugi: Akaushi Burst
- Gorou's E, Inuzaka All-Round Defense
- Fischl's E, Nightrider
- Keqing's E, Stellar Restoration
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/K94bKHVg7U8 [Albedo]
https://youtu.be/FRACwPMYlR4 [Gorou, Arataki Itto, Fischl]
https://youtu.be/ZrYrZ2hTHng [Keqing]
https://youtu.be/MDdIv1bUkQc [GMC by Casdela#5121]
https://youtu.be/WlN9nLtQ7SU [GMC by Casdela#5121]
Significance:
Better understanding of these characters and aimed abilities. Possible tech for some players looking for some level of skill expression, despite how benign it is.
It is possible for the aimed versions of certain abilities to spawn their respective objects in a different location from initially intended. This is done by rapidly panning/moving the camera after releasing it. It can vary depending on the execution, going so far as to appearing directly behind certain characters.
This mechanic applies to the following:
- Albedo's E, Solar Isotoma
- Arataki Itto's E, Masatsu Zetsugi: Akaushi Burst
- Gorou's E, Inuzaka All-Round Defense
- Fischl's E, Nightrider
- Keqing's E, Stellar Restoration
Evidence:
https://youtu.be/K94bKHVg7U8 [Albedo]
https://youtu.be/FRACwPMYlR4 [Gorou, Arataki Itto, Fischl]
https://youtu.be/ZrYrZ2hTHng [Keqing]
https://youtu.be/MDdIv1bUkQc [GMC by Casdela#5121]
https://youtu.be/WlN9nLtQ7SU [GMC by Casdela#5121]
Significance:
Better understanding of these characters and aimed abilities. Possible tech for some players looking for some level of skill expression, despite how benign it is.
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:13 AM
Here
!rm 1d close this
(!) Keqing's Eternal AssistantThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:13 AM
Alright Rathalos, I'll remind you about close this in 1 day. ID: 43030440
nzpiefaceThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:14 AM
bruh
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:38 AM
I tried it with both Albedo and Keqing, her aimed Stiletto behaves exactly the same like Albedo's Solar Isotoma 360-No-Scope
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:40 AM
yep
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:40 AM
You can check out #987648533765161001
It's also a thing for Itto to some extent
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:40 AM
Fischl is the same too
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:40 AM
should we just compile them all here?
Feel free to make your own finding btw
just add them here
i'll pin it
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:46 AM
Currently all characters who can manually aim are: Albedo, Keqing, Fischl, Gorou, Itto right?
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:46 AM
I think so yeah
GMC too
but i've never had it work on GMC
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 09:47 AM
Oh I forgot Amber
Both GMC and Amber cant No-scope but Gorou can
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 10:05 AM
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 10:20 AM
My pepega laptop cant seem to record any video with more than negative fps so I dont think I can provide video prove 
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 10:31 AM
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 12:20 PM
Anyways, my best guess as to why this 360-No-Scope shenanigan can happen is in relation to How the game handles the spawn point of "aimable object"(s):(my theory)
1. The game seems to only use the (slightly above) center of player's camera to determine where the location of the "aimable object" should spawn at, and therefore the "aiming crosshair" we see when holding applicable character(s)' skill is merely visual and an indicator only.
2. The frame which the game uses to determine said spawn point seems to be delayed (reason unknown) and not instant upon release of skill input for most applicable characters, exception: GMC, Amber. Which allows the 360-No-Scope shenanigan to happen if the player moves the camera before the game can "snapshot" that frame.
1. The game seems to only use the (slightly above) center of player's camera to determine where the location of the "aimable object" should spawn at, and therefore the "aiming crosshair" we see when holding applicable character(s)' skill is merely visual and an indicator only.
2. The frame which the game uses to determine said spawn point seems to be delayed (reason unknown) and not instant upon release of skill input for most applicable characters, exception: GMC, Amber. Which allows the 360-No-Scope shenanigan to happen if the player moves the camera before the game can "snapshot" that frame.
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 12:21 PM
That's a possibility yeah
bakane_Thu, June 23, 2022 at 12:37 PM
can ushi do this as well 
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 12:38 PM
yes
but not as extreme as Keq or Albedo can
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 12:52 PM
Or, the game actually uses the crosshair, but it simply lingers for a bit after releasing skill input for most applicable characters, except GMC and Amber, which delays the frame which the game uses to determine aimable object spawn point.
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:08 PM
I'll just add Itto, Gorou and Fischl in the og pin
TiBotThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:09 PM
This ticket has been renamed to
geo team 360 no scope by @Rathalos | ask me abt travelerRathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:13 PM
best itto team 
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:13 PM
Didn't know Fischl is part of geo team lol
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:14 PM
She is now
(unless u have a better name)
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:17 PM
Are u gonna leave out my queen Keqing? 
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:17 PM
hers is already in #987648533765161001
if anything
i made too many keqing entries
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:18 PM
We should mention all characters that have manualy aimed skill
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:18 PM
just gmc and amber are excluded
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:19 PM
There is no such thing as "too many Keqing entries" 
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:20 PM
doing the keqing ticket made me very sad so I ended it
but sure I can add the keqing vid here for reference
TiBotThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:21 PM
This ticket has been renamed to
somewhat 360 no scope by @Rathalos | ask me abt travelerRathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:29 PM
updated pinned comment
probably closing this if nothing else
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:37 PM
I'm really interested in identifying the root cause of this mechanic hmm 
But it's fine if u want to stop here, your ticket looks complete already
But it's fine if u want to stop here, your ticket looks complete already
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:41 PM
Feel free to make a follow up or just add more to this if you want
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaThu, June 23, 2022 at 01:45 PM
Unless we can get 60 fps footage with inputs overlay, it's likely not possible to draw a conclusion
Don't worry about it, if I ever discover anything new related to this then I'll open another ticket1
1TiBotTue, June 28, 2022 at 08:24 AM
Ticket closed by @Rathalos | ask me abt traveler. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or
/open.( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaMon, July 11, 2022 at 11:02 AM
@Rathalos | ask me abt traveler Hi 
Apparently I was wrong
GMC can no-scope but the timing is so tight that I previously wasn't able to do it
https://youtu.be/MDdIv1bUkQc
https://youtu.be/WlN9nLtQ7SU
1
Apparently I was wrong
GMC can no-scope but the timing is so tight that I previously wasn't able to do it
https://youtu.be/MDdIv1bUkQc
https://youtu.be/WlN9nLtQ7SU
1Amber is still a lost cause tho
TiBotMon, July 11, 2022 at 11:04 AM
Ticket re-opened by @Rathalos | ask me abt traveler
Rathalos | ask me abt travelerMon, July 11, 2022 at 11:04 AM
alright
i'll check it again later and update the finding
( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaMon, July 11, 2022 at 11:18 AM
To describe how tight the timing is, the delay between skill input release and GMC's meteor drops is ~0.5s, but if you move the camera later than 0.1~0.133s then GMC won't no-scope1
1Rathalos | ask me abt travelerMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:33 PM
it's really hard to reproduce
I'll just take your evidence for it
TiBotMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:42 PM
Ticket closed by @Rathalos | ask me abt traveler. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or
/open.( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaMon, July 11, 2022 at 03:51 PM
yeah even 0.1s is a really generous estimation 
TiBotMon, July 18, 2022 at 10:50 PM
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