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th-bloom-crits-and-icd

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Theory/Finding/Bug: Title of your submission

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Significance: Conclusion

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This ticket has been renamed to th-Bloom CRITs and ICD by @Tibot

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 07:58 PM

Full Details: [https://discord.com/channels/763583452762734592/782067573276672061/1059689148107202640]
Theory: Determining whether the 3rd instance of Bloom DMG would crit if there are more than 2 Bloom triggers occurring at the same time (or within the 2 DMG instance only window)
Needed Characters:
・Nahida
↳ Constellation 2 Mandatory
・Xinyan/Rosaria
↳ Constellation 1 Mandatory
・Candace

Details:
Trigger 3 Bloom reactions with at Xinyan/Rosaria under the effect of Candace's Elemental Burst then trigger all Bloom reactions at the same time (or at least within the window of time where only 2 Bloom DMG would be dealt). Determine if the DMG displayed is a non-crit, then check if the Constellation 1 of Xinyan/Rosaria has triggered. If it has, then the 3rd Bloom DMG crits.

Misc Questions:
・~~Does Burgeon count? If so, would make testing a lot easier with Xinyan.~~ It may count, will test as well.
・Does Hyperbloom count? I do not remember any character with on crit effects and could deal Electro

will work on later its almost 4am my time

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:01 PM

Not NZ but I'll go out on a limb and say that burgeon counts because it also shares the 2 damage instances per .5 seconds thing

So go ahead and use xinyan e or something

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:02 PM

somewhat related basis for this:
Rosaria C1 can possibly trigger on trees (only observation though when chopping trees and her rhythm changed ever so slightly that I don't get the 3rd piece of wood), if there is something in the evidence library on Rosaria for this or a finding of it can also say it here

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:03 PM

C2 Nahida E > Candace Q > Xinyan hydro infused normals but also make sure that the swap effect from candace burst doesn't apply hydro > Xinyan E when 3 or more cores out

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poweroftheasian: somewhat related basis for this:

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:06 PM

Nothing to do with current ticket, but try a 5% crit rate Rosaria and then a 100% crit rosaria and then do frame counts with no tree then hit a tree and do frame counts off the tree if you are assuming the effect happened.

Xinyan should also be at 5% crit just in case for the burgeon test

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mustproceedquickly: C2 Nahida E > Candace Q > Xinyan hydro infused normals but also make sure that the swap effect from candace burst doesn't apply hydro > Xinyan E when 3 or more cores out

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:07 PM

ive definitely tried a small test til i realized candace burst really could fuck me over so thats why i wanted xinyan

yea i also removed the artis of rosaria for a bit

but switching to xinyan now that burgeon is in the table

relying purely on bloom is tough since you need 3 cores to trigger which means at least enough hydro to apply 3 cores worth and have to wait for them to trigger at the same time WHILE making sure they arent moving and is not dead

jasTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:09 PM

3 enemies would make it easy

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:10 PM

I don't remember if rosaria gets any visual indication of the C1 working, but Xinyan does get the buff arrows

so it should be very easy to see on her

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:10 PM

yea gon use her then

i also like xinyan too anyw so even better

3 enemies does make it easier assuming yknow

they stay put

and you arent a dummy like me who decided to use the gilded dreams domain where there are 3 fairly mobile enemies that can apply elemental effects as well as that random aura

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:13 PM

just reset on abyss floor 11 first chamber or something. There is a big group there at the beginning. and you can reset quickly

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:14 PM

oh yea i totally forgot about abyss

easy burst reset too so now i dont have to stack ER on my level 20 candace

and can focus on full hp so that she at least lives something while testing

well work on later just look at the time

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:16 PM

oh wait they changed floor 11

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:18 PM

well i can use the early floors right
floors 8 and below
there is bound to be a floor with just 3 enemies

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:20 PM

I did a test run. 11 still works just have to kill the slimes first. Let me upload a video. No C2 Nahida but you get the general idea.

My candace has noblesse on, so that's the reason for the arrows. Make sure to take it off.

If it's just candace Q, then you can easily see xinyan not get any buff arrows until a crit hit

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:38 PM

Ok I just remembered a thought as to a 3 enemy thing
How do I determine if only Bloom 1 and 2 triggered and dealt DMG
I am only shown 2 numbers, but do not know which core it came from

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:38 PM

what you are aiming for is 2 small numbers and then the invisible crit hit

if you see a crit hit then you have to restart

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:40 PM

hmmm true but i g it just muddles it a bit since all cores could not trigger a crit and enemy 1 could get hit with core 1 and 2 dmg and enemy 2 could get hit with core 2 and 3 dmg

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:40 PM

That's why this is a B rank hunt

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:40 PM

oh and i have to deal with nahidas E number too and not confuse it

damn what did i get myself into

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:41 PM

shouldn't be too hard. The numbers are very different

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:41 PM

yea gotta just handle it slowly and process it better

mustproceedquicklyTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:41 PM

like taking example above. Xinyan bloom hits are 2677 and nahida TKP is 9891

This is actually a very easy hunt for a b rank

as long as you know how to approach it

poweroftheasianTue, January 3, 2023 at 08:44 PM

yea i just have to do i carefully

and record everytime i trigger bloom

mustproceedquicklyWed, January 4, 2023 at 02:31 AM

Alternatively go to cecilia garden or something and just duo Nahida and Xinyan with no gear and level 1 weapons. Nahida will make a bunch of blooms then Xinyan will burgeon them.

nzpiefaceWed, January 4, 2023 at 09:11 AM

i really shouldnt say this as the guy who started the hunt but this is hilarious

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 12:19 PM

i was gon work on it today but unexpected trip

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mustproceedquickly: Alternatively go to cecilia garden or something and just duo Nahida and Xinyan with no gear and level 1 weapons. Nahida will make a bunch of blooms then Xinyan will burgeon them.

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 12:20 PM

cecilia garden?

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 12:21 PM

Mondstadt weapon mat domain

It has lots of hydro slimes, from first to last level depending on needs

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 04:26 PM

oh i think

ive confirmed it?

lemme upload it in a sec

if what mr sonic said was true then it may count

oh wait

i forgot to take into account burning

oh but my burning didnt crit yet until much later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I4mdP76C_I

Nahida C2, Xinyan C1 and 3rd Dropped Bloom DMG Test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWukqGkbpII

Nahida C2, Xinyan C1 and 3rd Dropped Bloom DMG Test 2

can you guys also double check as well? see if i am missing anything

the test 2 should be much clearer and there shouldnt be any other things that would give xinyan the buff arrows unless ofc i am missing something again

i dont see big number on the 2nd one last one but then buff arrows on xinyan so c1 proc?

artis on nahida and xinyan is also removed, with candace just having random non set artis full of ER

xinyan has fav
nahida the lvl 1 base wep
candace the catch

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 04:48 PM

@nzpieface get pong

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 04:49 PM

pong

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poweroftheasian: i dont see big number on the 2nd one last one but then buff arrows on xinyan so c1 proc?

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 04:50 PM

can you give timestamp?
so the conclusion is the reaction can crit even when on dmg icd?

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 04:50 PM

now keep in mind this is using burgeon instead of bloom

ok sec

1:45 on the 2nd vid

the first vid i havent looked at the inbetweens yet but i know at least the last one has it and one somewhere in between

first vid at around 1:57, 6:40 as well

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( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | Casdela: can you give timestamp?

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 04:57 PM

it seems so yeah

mustproceedquicklyWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:00 PM

Congratulations on your

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:00 PM

is that what the wet role is

mustproceedquicklyWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:00 PM

yeah

I guess just type up the ticket then close it

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:03 PM

oh i just have to reconfirm things too just in case there are other possible situations or random buffs that occured

cause my first testing ive been getting a lot of buff arrows with candace for some reason

turns out my nahida had TTDS

mustproceedquicklyWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:03 PM

she doesn't matter. It's just Xinyan

as long as she has no arrows until invisible crit then you are good

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:04 PM

yea just wanted to eliminate every other possibility first even if it shouldnt affect it
doubly secure

mustproceedquicklyWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:04 PM

👍

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:04 PM

even removed WGS on xinyan on the 2nd video even though passive wont proc bec they thicc bois

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:13 PM

btw don't worry about burning criting interferes with your tests, it doesn't proc on crit effects for whatever reason

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( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | Casdela: btw don't worry about burning criting interferes with your tests, it doesn't proc on crit effects for whatever reason

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:13 PM

yeah i noticed whilst looking at the video as to why xinyan didnt get any buff arrows when a burning crit occured

maybe its bec the ownership transferred to nahida when her E procced?

idk

oh and when this gets moved to review, theyll determine if there are still inconsistencies right?

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:15 PM

Burning doesn't have ownership

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:15 PM

NZ did some burning fav tests before, don't know if his Nahida has fav or not but burn doesn't proc fav

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:15 PM

EC does not either

Only single hit non-shatter reactions belong to the trigger

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🐟: Burning doesn't have ownership

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:15 PM

ah i c i didnt realize that

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:17 PM

Basically
DoT reaction do not have ownership
Single hits do
Shatter does not because reasons

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:18 PM

ok cool

btw if no objections will close this ticket and do the write up above

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:19 PM

Looks good to me at least

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:20 PM

Theory: Whether Bloom-related Reaction DMG under DMG ICD can trigger on-crit effects

Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I4mdP76C_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWukqGkbpII
Explanation: Xinyan C1 triggers when a crit is triggered by her, and Nahida C2 Crit on Bloom and Bloom related Reactions count. The testing determines whether the 3rd instance of a bloom-related reaction triggered at the same time would cause Xinyan's C1 to trigger, even if the DMG for it would be dismissed/ignored due to the 2 hit DMG Instance ICD.

First video at 1:57 and 6:40 shows that Xinyan receives buff arrows (indicating her C1 has activated), despite not having any large numbers indicating critical DMG being dealt.
Second Video at 1:45 also shows the same behavior, with better control testing.

Conclusion: Bloom-related Reaction DMG under DMG ICD can still trigger certain on-crit effects such as Xinyan C1.

Significance: Better understanding of on-crit interactions with reactions.

Nahida C2, Xinyan C1 and 3rd Dropped Bloom DMG Test

Nahida C2, Xinyan C1 and 3rd Dropped Bloom DMG Test 2

TiBotWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:21 PM

Ticket closed by @poweroftheasian. If there are any issues with it - it can be reopened by the owner or staff by using the buttons below or /open.

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( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:22 PM

wait

can you specify which kind of ICD pls, if mentioned alone 99% of the times it is reaction ICD

TiBotWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:25 PM

Ticket re-opened by @poweroftheasian

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:26 PM

bloom reaction ICD right

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:26 PM

Bloom damage icd (per enemy)

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:27 PM

Bloom Reaction Damage ICD (per enemy)

there

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:27 PM

and kinda nit picky but the significance is the finding

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:28 PM

~~Better understanding of on-hit interactions with reactions~~

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:28 PM

i thought it was conclusion as per the write up

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:28 PM

and your theory is just the title

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:28 PM

thats what it says

the title of the ticket

submission

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:29 PM

well the significance is what the finding is useful for

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:29 PM

ah i c

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🐟: ~~Better understanding of on-hit interactions with reactions~~

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:30 PM

just copy and paste this for significance

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:30 PM

this gucci?

prob could specify it even more

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:32 PM

the fact is your test concludes that it's true so you should state that

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:37 PM

good enough now?

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:39 PM

add favonius in conclusion as that's used as an easy showcase of the proc too and used in testing I think

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:40 PM

but its an r1 fav

oh but you know whats a better indication

the domain aura

procs an ele particle if crit occurs

2nd vid has that one random particle proc

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:46 PM

can this
>Bloom-related Reaction DMG under ICD that would crit from Nahida's C2
be reworded to smth easier to understand

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:48 PM

Crits dealt by Bloom-related Reactions under Nahida C2 can still proc on crit effects despite the DMG ICD

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:48 PM

If you want a super wordy version

Critical hits scored by a reaction while an enemy is currently immune to that damage due to Reaction damage ICD will still trigger on-crit effects

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:49 PM

hmmm we want it to be understandable but short enough

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poweroftheasian: Crits dealt by Bloom-related Reactions under Nahida C2 can still proc on crit effects despite the DMG ICD

Ping when centaur in genshinWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:49 PM

Forgive my ignorance but does that mean you can get a 0 dmg crit?

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:50 PM

theoretically yes but we have no way of getting 0 dmg

what happens is that the DMG instance is dropped/immune of the enemy

from what i understood

but it still procs bec a critical hit occured

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:51 PM

Nahida C2 may be omitted since it's the only way to make a reaction crit unless they add more sources

Mh, but doing damage to something while it's invulnerable doesn't proc crit effects normally either

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:51 PM

fav has dmg check, if there's no dmg= it doesn't proc

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:52 PM

oh yea fav does need to check dmg

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:52 PM

only rosaria and xinyan has no dmg check, so any crit counts

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:52 PM

But does it actually do 0 damage or does the enemy just take 0 damage

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🐟: But does it actually do 0 damage or does the enemy just take 0 damage

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:52 PM

~~sounds like a new ticket~~

Reply to

🐟: But does it actually do 0 damage or does the enemy just take 0 damage

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:53 PM

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:55 PM

now is it good enough

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:57 PM

is on-hit a typo soulfish?

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:57 PM

oh that should be on crit right

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 05:58 PM

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 05:58 PM

cant believe we spent 40 minutes reopening the ticket to specify the write up

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:00 PM

the theory still says on-hit

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:01 PM

You know what I'm wondering

If this crit resets royal weapons or not

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:02 PM

royal weapons check dmg too I think

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:04 PM

ok the write up should be specific now

should be ok right? nothing else wrong about it?

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:04 PM

>even if the DMG for it would be dropped
not sure if this is the right wording

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:04 PM

yea not sure what really occurs

would jus tsay

not dealt

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:05 PM

dismissed maybe?

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:06 PM

how does it really work

i just put dismissed since that does fit

not dealt is kind of
not entirerly correct either? bec the testing shows it does score a crit hit

so dmg is dealt and did crit, just that it did not go to the enemy

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:07 PM

ignored?

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:07 PM

would not be applied?

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:08 PM

dismissed/ignored

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:08 PM

the DMG for it would not be applied due to the 2 hit DMG Instance ICD.

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:08 PM

can dmg be applied?

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:09 PM

In technical terms applied should fit? Even if it would sound weird normally

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:09 PM

someone should pull out a dictionary

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:09 PM

Since would not be dealt may not be correct either depending on how exactly it works

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:09 PM

tthe semantics man

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:10 PM

Do we need a linguist

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:10 PM

@ the editors

🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:10 PM

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:11 PM

lets just sstick to ingored/dismissed or w/e then if there are any confusions/clarifications on how it really works can just change it

it is going under review anyway

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:12 PM

I'm the reviewer, and soulfish too

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:14 PM

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:14 PM

but yeah I guess we can wait for other's opinions

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:15 PM

so is it safe to close it and move to review?

( ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ) <3 | CasdelaWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:15 PM

sure

poweroftheasianWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:15 PM

alright just pong if anything

TiBotWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:15 PM

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🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:16 PM

~~Are we at let the one doing the writeup figure out how to phrase it stage then?~~

TiBotWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:17 PM

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🐟Wed, January 4, 2023 at 06:17 PM

I at least do not see anything not in support of the conclusion, though I suppose theoretically tests on HB/Bloom could be valuable potentially

nzpiefaceWed, January 4, 2023 at 06:29 PM

omfg

it works

TiBotFri, January 6, 2023 at 12:21 AM

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