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tighnari-basic-mechanics
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ReensWed, August 24, 2022 at 02:47 AM
Tighnari Basic Mechanics ticket
Put all mechanics findings for Tighnari here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
Tighnari Character Page: https://library.keqingmains.com/tighnari
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Put all mechanics findings for Tighnari here. This ticket is NOT meant to be for discussion.
Tighnari Character Page: https://library.keqingmains.com/tighnari
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f99shiWed, August 24, 2022 at 12:40 PM
Finding: tighnari's clusterbloom arrows have a small aoe with a radius of 1m
Evidence: https://youtu.be/7cPd0ySqmUI
(plus datamine)
Significance: could be useful in some niche scenarios
Evidence: https://youtu.be/7cPd0ySqmUI
(plus datamine)
Significance: could be useful in some niche scenarios
kolibri._.Fri, August 26, 2022 at 07:44 AM
Finding: Gauges. CA Lv. 1, CA Lv. 2 Wreath Arrow, CA Lv. 2 Clusterbloom Arrow, E and Q are all 1U.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/RhUVsQKUGis
Evidence: https://youtu.be/RhUVsQKUGis
Tighnari gauges
1A = 0.8A Aura is supposed to last for 0.811.875 = 9.5s
2B = 1.6B Aura is supposed to last for 1.67.5 = 12s
counting from first application until aura is gone:
0:00 CA Lv.1: (737-165)/60 = 9.53s
➔ CA Lv. 1 is 1U.
0:13 Clusterbloom Arrow: (1645-1076)/60 = 9.48s
➔ Clusterbloom Arrow is 1U.
0:28 CA Lv.2 Main Arrow: (2524-1916)/60 = 10.13s
...
2B = 1.6B Aura is supposed to last for 1.67.5 = 12s
counting from first application until aura is gone:
0:00 CA Lv.1: (737-165)/60 = 9.53s
➔ CA Lv. 1 is 1U.
0:13 Clusterbloom Arrow: (1645-1076)/60 = 9.48s
➔ Clusterbloom Arrow is 1U.
0:28 CA Lv.2 Main Arrow: (2524-1916)/60 = 10.13s
...
✅1
littlefox2512Fri, August 26, 2022 at 11:51 AM
Finding: Tigh's E cant reach enemy suc by venti or enemies that flying above the ground
Might cause some problem when apply quicken
Evidence:
https://streamable.com/1vhw7d
Might cause some problem when apply quicken
Evidence:
https://streamable.com/1vhw7d
paichlearFri, August 26, 2022 at 02:08 PM
evidence has to be on youtube or imgur
zakharov29229Sat, August 27, 2022 at 05:58 AM
Finding: Tighnari applies dendro:
- Twice with a fully charged aimed shot
- Once with E
- 7 times with E - CA - CA - CA
- 4 times with Q
Evidence: https://youtu.be/jZNdJEjbJUQ
Significance: Tighnari ICD
- Twice with a fully charged aimed shot
- Once with E
- 7 times with E - CA - CA - CA
- 4 times with Q
Evidence: https://youtu.be/jZNdJEjbJUQ
Significance: Tighnari ICD
✅1
Finding: Tighnari Q takes 116 frames (1.93 seconds)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/jZNdJEjbJUQ
Significance: frame counts
Evidence: https://youtu.be/jZNdJEjbJUQ
Significance: frame counts
✅1
Finding: Tighnari E-CA-CA-CA takes roughly 3 seconds when done by a typical player. Someone else should use a macro to determine frame perfect.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/iTZ1ISVK75M
Significance: frame counts
Evidence: https://youtu.be/iTZ1ISVK75M
Significance: frame counts
sapph | spphrsMon, August 29, 2022 at 11:31 AM
Finding: The fastest that Tighnari's E-CA-CA-CA combo can be executed using a macro is 2:25 seconds, for a total of 145 frames
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG-hT06nSG0
Significance: Frame counting
Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG-hT06nSG0
Significance: Frame counting
Tighnari E-CA-CA-CA macro
Macro done using Razer Synapse
First frame of E is at 00:00:00:01, denoted by the grey character icons on the right
Hit frame of 3rd CA is at 00:00:02:25, last frame is 00:00:02:26, denoted by grey character icons on the right (00:00:02:27 no longer has greyed-out icons)
Combo is a total of 00:00:02:25 secs(?) aka 145 frames
First frame of E is at 00:00:00:01, denoted by the grey character icons on the right
Hit frame of 3rd CA is at 00:00:02:25, last frame is 00:00:02:26, denoted by grey character icons on the right (00:00:02:27 no longer has greyed-out icons)
Combo is a total of 00:00:02:25 secs(?) aka 145 frames
Wüolf|C6(FoxEars^2+Hat^2)EnjoyerMon, August 29, 2022 at 12:49 PM
Finding: Tighnari’s Clusterblooms have a max range before they implode
Evidence: https://youtu.be/nXZ0qsLbfco
Significance: teleporting or dashing enemies can evade clusterblooms in some situations
Evidence: https://youtu.be/nXZ0qsLbfco
Significance: teleporting or dashing enemies can evade clusterblooms in some situations
Finding: Tighnari C6 CA deals 3 Instances of Spread
Evidence: https://youtu.be/7LZAN_K2eZg
Significance: If Tighnari’s C6 Clusterbloom has no icd it means that he can do 3 spreads every ca increasing his dendro application every e->Q->3ca to 14
Evidence: https://youtu.be/7LZAN_K2eZg
Significance: If Tighnari’s C6 Clusterbloom has no icd it means that he can do 3 spreads every ca increasing his dendro application every e->Q->3ca to 14
Finding: Tighnari C6 E->Ca works with BowTae ARCC
Evidence: https://youtu.be/jWCpmgLob60
https://youtu.be/kshgOpyCbAw (faster version)
Significance: Increases his burst dps significantly if you use macros. ARCC auto aims so it can also be used on mobile. Maybe it will let you squeeze in a wreath arrow in between e and Q while still catching particles generated from e(testing)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/jWCpmgLob60
https://youtu.be/kshgOpyCbAw (faster version)
Significance: Increases his burst dps significantly if you use macros. ARCC auto aims so it can also be used on mobile. Maybe it will let you squeeze in a wreath arrow in between e and Q while still catching particles generated from e(testing)
Finding: (C6) Doing an ARCC CA in between E and Q would still let Tighnari get generated particles during his burst(220-230ms)
Evidence: https://youtu.be/4m9d5rJAlj0
Significance: A1 passive can be triggered for 50 extra em before using his burst while also getting particles back. My ping is 200ms high but E to ARCC CA immediately to Q on lower pings should still be viable. Needs testing for below C6 and without ARCC CA
Evidence: https://youtu.be/4m9d5rJAlj0
Significance: A1 passive can be triggered for 50 extra em before using his burst while also getting particles back. My ping is 200ms high but E to ARCC CA immediately to Q on lower pings should still be viable. Needs testing for below C6 and without ARCC CA
BowTaeMon, August 29, 2022 at 03:09 PM
preliminary E-reduced CA level 2 frame count using this video:
hold M1
30f arrow fired
38f with recovery
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hold M1
30f arrow fired
38f with recovery
1Wüolf|C6(FoxEars^2+Hat^2)EnjoyerMon, August 29, 2022 at 03:15 PM
Redid video since there was a ping spike during the rotation, here ping is better and consistent
sapph | spphrsMon, August 29, 2022 at 03:44 PM
(i'll be working on a video that records E frames including all cancels in ~10 hours, unless you guys decide to use gcsim's videos & frame counts for that)
Finding:
If there is no target in range, clusterbloom arrows target where the wreath arrow hit.
If there is a target in range, it prioritizes enemies over objects, even if the wreath arrow hits the object.
If there are multiple targets, it only targets one of them.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/WsiBn6Wzk78
Significance: Clusterbloom arrow mechanics
If there is no target in range, clusterbloom arrows target where the wreath arrow hit.
If there is a target in range, it prioritizes enemies over objects, even if the wreath arrow hits the object.
If there are multiple targets, it only targets one of them.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/WsiBn6Wzk78
Significance: Clusterbloom arrow mechanics
tighnari clusterbloom arrows vs multiple targets and vs targetable ...
first clip: clusterbloom arrow vs multiple targets
second clip: clusterbloom arrow vs targetable object and enemy
second clip: clusterbloom arrow vs targetable object and enemy
Finding: Clusterbloom arrows move in an upward and backward trajectory before homing towards the target.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/6rJq2vqFJHo
Significance: Clusterbloom arrow mechanics + arrows have a tendency to sometimes not hit the target due to disappearing after hitting a wall/rock/etc.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/6rJq2vqFJHo
Significance: Clusterbloom arrow mechanics + arrows have a tendency to sometimes not hit the target due to disappearing after hitting a wall/rock/etc.
Finding: There's a certain travel range for clusterbloom arrows when targeting an enemy before they disappear.
Evidence: https://youtu.be/6-9tXN6kV2M
Significance: Clusterbloom arrow mechanics
Evidence: https://youtu.be/6-9tXN6kV2M
Significance: Clusterbloom arrow mechanics
Finding: Tighnari's A1 does not stack
Evidence: https://youtu.be/ZR9IaTEzlBs
Significance: One CA is enough to get max value from A1 for casting Q
Evidence: https://youtu.be/ZR9IaTEzlBs
Significance: One CA is enough to get max value from A1 for casting Q
sapph | spphrsThu, September 1, 2022 at 03:35 PM
Finding: (C0) Doing E - CA before Q allows you to catch particles during burst
Evidence: https://youtu.be/q6ibUnVWmzc
Significance: A1 passive can be triggered for burst while still gaining particles. Opens up flexibility for rotations outside of E-CAx3-Q
Evidence: https://youtu.be/q6ibUnVWmzc
Significance: A1 passive can be triggered for burst while still gaining particles. Opens up flexibility for rotations outside of E-CAx3-Q
Bobrokrot [RU] Genshin AcademyFri, September 2, 2022 at 11:57 AM
Finding: Tighnari's E snapshot at activation. Tighnari's Q snapshot when arrows are fired but the Q secondary damage is either dynamic or snapshots at individual times when they are created. A similar case is for Tighnari's Wreath and Clustebloom arrows.
Evidence:
E and Q
https://youtu.be/NILZic2btMk
— In the beginning the base damage is showcased
— At 0:30 Sara buffs Tighnari midQ animation
— Tighnari uses E right before buff expires
— Then two attempts to buff Tighnari when the bomb is in mid-air
https://youtu.be/z05Qd6hYvac
Buff exipires mid burst (after arrows were fired).
https://youtu.be/3ofPtiemJqk
Buff exipires mid burst (after arrows were fired). Here is happens before first shots connect.
Charged shots
https://youtu.be/ZMowzpLubVc
— Base damage
— CA is shot right before receiving the buff
— Buffed damage
All of this is also in the the snapshot timings sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M2nTLogzYd2o4ZLkYEkzfovwiTznQOB5ujWuMlQbE0k/edit?usp=sharing
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Evidence:
E and Q
https://youtu.be/NILZic2btMk
— In the beginning the base damage is showcased
— At 0:30 Sara buffs Tighnari midQ animation
— Tighnari uses E right before buff expires
— Then two attempts to buff Tighnari when the bomb is in mid-air
https://youtu.be/z05Qd6hYvac
Buff exipires mid burst (after arrows were fired).
https://youtu.be/3ofPtiemJqk
Buff exipires mid burst (after arrows were fired). Here is happens before first shots connect.
Charged shots
https://youtu.be/ZMowzpLubVc
— Base damage
— CA is shot right before receiving the buff
— Buffed damage
All of this is also in the the snapshot timings sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M2nTLogzYd2o4ZLkYEkzfovwiTznQOB5ujWuMlQbE0k/edit?usp=sharing
Tignari both E and Q snapshot
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Tighnari Q seconday dynamic
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Tighnari Q main arrows do snapshot
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Tignari CAs snapshot at different times
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Snapshot timings
Main
Elemental Skill (E),Elemental Burst (Q),Evidence,Maintained by Bobrokrot#0111
Snapshot?,timing,Snapshot?,timing,Русскоязычная версия таблицы
Does not snapshot.,The Slashing DMG is basi...
Elemental Skill (E),Elemental Burst (Q),Evidence,Maintained by Bobrokrot#0111
Snapshot?,timing,Snapshot?,timing,Русскоязычная версия таблицы
Does not snapshot.,The Slashing DMG is basi...
3sapph | spphrsSun, September 4, 2022 at 11:06 AM
Finding: Tighnari's E produces 3-4 particles at a ratio of 1:1
Evidence: https://youtu.be/9rDMqveXeT8 (100 casts, exactly 50 times for 3 particles and 50 times for 4 particles)
Significance: Particle generation rate
Evidence: https://youtu.be/9rDMqveXeT8 (100 casts, exactly 50 times for 3 particles and 50 times for 4 particles)
Significance: Particle generation rate
tighnari particle generation
100 E casts. 50 times that 4 particles are produced. 50 times that 3 particles are produced
Counting: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m5CpzeDuxMIjgPdQdpKAgBSEur7Pw3ff9jFbQaaMFCQ/edit?usp=sharing
Counting: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m5CpzeDuxMIjgPdQdpKAgBSEur7Pw3ff9jFbQaaMFCQ/edit?usp=sharing
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